Seriously ugly

[cameraman]

The 2009 concept for the Chevy Camaro.

The idiots in Detroit have lost any and all sense of style.

http://www.automobilemag.com/auto_shows/naias_2006/0602_mjd_chevy_camaro_02_445.jpg

http://www.automobilemag.com/auto_shows/naias_2006/0602_camaro_ofsk_02_445.jpg

Not that I would ever want to buy a Camaro but still :shakehead


.

[Stu]

is there even a point to owning this vehicle?

[IlliniRacer]

:shakehead :shakehead :shakehead

How do you get to THAT from THIS:
http://www.firewheelclassics.com/images/Photo_Gallery/dale.jpg

[devilmaster]

Looks like they took the front end cues from the Mustang concept.....

[Wheel-Nut]

They went to this in the late '60's early '70's.

http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclecars/chevrolet-camaro/images/chevrolet-camaro-1971a.jpg

and then this in the early '80's.

http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclecars/chevrolet-camaro/images/chevrolet-camaro-1984a.jpg

to this inthe '90's.

http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclecars/chevrolet-camaro/images/chevrolet-camaro-1991a.jpg

http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclecars/chevrolet-camaro/images/chevrolet-camaro-2001b.jpg

Looks like they are on the right path.

[Don Quixote]

I think they are copying the Dodge designs. If you are going retro, do it right. :shakehead

[indyfan31]

I think they are copying the Dodge designs.
Exactly, that was my first thought when I saw it: CHARGER.

[Robstar]

I think it's hot... :ducks:

[Rob]

I love it. It's new and aggressive, yet its heritage is obvious. It shows that retro design doesn't mean regurgitating the past. The Mustang proved this to some degree too, but it's much more retro than Chevy's effort. Meanwhile, Dodge's new Challenger concept is a virtual clone of the early-'70s models. I'll take the Camaro.

[Opposite Lock]

Aren't there any pictures of when it unfolds into a twelve foot tall blockheaded robot with rocket launcher arms?

[racer2c]

I love it. It's new and aggressive, yet its heritage is obvious. It shows that retro design doesn't mean regurgitating the past. The Mustang proved this to some degree too, but it's much more retro than Chevy's effort. Meanwhile, Dodge's new Challenger concept is a virtual clone of the early-'70s models. I'll take the Camaro.

the Dodge was designed that way on purpose. And even though I left my muscle car passions back in the 80's, I'm seriously thinking about getting a Hemi Challenger. I owned two originals, a 70 and a 72 both with small blocks and I always dreamed of owning a Hemi that wasn't in a pickup truck.

http://news.caradisiac.com/IMG/jpg/Dodge-Challenger-Concept-12.jpg

The Camaro will probably resemble the first gen models more when it is actually built instead of prototype guise. I'm sure the bowtie guys will eat it up.

[SteveH]

I want the Challenger also.

Boy do I. The Camaro sucks, though.

[RusH]

:gomer:
http://www.gocarlo.com/lagalerie/images/batmobile-512.jpg

[coolhand]

The camero will do well, It has quite a following. Not up there with the Mustang, though.

[Gnam]

:gomer:
http://www.gocarlo.com/lagalerie/images/batmobile-512.jpg
Is that the new Corvette?

[Don Quixote]

oooooh, red Challenger. That's what I'm talking about.

[cart7]

Aren't there any pictures of when it unfolds into a twelve foot tall blockheaded robot with rocket launcher arms?
:laugh:

[cart7]

Bought a new truck last week and while I was at the dealer they had one of these on the floor:

http://www.mustangheaven.com/stangspecs/saleen/images/06saleen_glasstop.jpg

$58,000. 425hp Supercharged V8. Amazing looking car on the floor.

[rosawendel]

wasn't the camaro ugly several months ago? i mean, i understand that it's still ugly, but isn't this old news?

[Spicoli]

Bought a new truck last week and while I was at the dealer they had one of these on the floor:

http://www.mustangheaven.com/stangspecs/saleen/images/06saleen_glasstop.jpg

$58,000. 425hp Supercharged V8. Amazing looking car on the floor.

go drive it. :)

[ChampcarShark]

:gomer:
http://www.gocarlo.com/lagalerie/images/batmobile-512.jpg

Does it come in blue???

Red????

[racer2c]

Does it come in blue???

Red????


"It comes in any color you want as long as it's black." -H. Ford

[G.]

OT
except for the knife mirrors, I kinda like it. Wouldn't buy it, but I like it.

:shrug:

[racer2c]

The new Camaro and Challenger are an attempt to steal a little market share from the ever popular Mustang. Two years ago I read that for there was one camaro sold for every four Mustangs. No wonder they pulled the plug on it.

Now, since they decided to bring back the legendary marques, they are going with the same retro design of the Mustang instead of making all new machines and having a backlash from the old die hards who cry blasphemy. At least with the "let's copy ourselves" model they will get a tip o' the hat from fans of the original and the new fans will like that it's retro. Stack up the '04 Mustang and '04 Camaro...V8, check, rear wheel drive, check, pony car size check, dual exhaust, check, manual transmission, check, retro styling...Mustang. Hmm, so the Mustang outsells it four to one. Something to be said for nostalgia.

It's funny that they are doing this because back in the 80's I had the idea that the big three bring back many of their classic cars but downsize them, give them small displacement v8's and V6's (like the 4.6, 3.5) and downsize them dramatically. Imagine a '69 Charger about the size of a modern mustang. Or a '70 Chevelle, or '66 GTO, or '70 'cuda or '69 Road Runner or a '70 Mach 1 all small, nimble and brand new. The couldn't make enough of them.

Actually I'm surprised some aftermarket hasn't done that already. Did you know you can buy everything you need from the aftermarket to make your very own "69 Camaro"? I'm not talking about bits and pieces here and there I'm talking frame, crate engine, interior and body panels all from the same manufacturer. All you do is bolt it together. There is also a Canadian company (IIRC) called Extreme Velocity that takes old Mopars and rebuilds them with modern technology and 500hp engines. They supposedly handle like a modern Mustang and go like heck. But I still think it would be cool if they downsized them. My '69 Charger was like 15 feet long. That thing was huge.

[nrc]

The new Camaro and Challenger are an attempt to steal a little market share from the ever popular Mustang. Two years ago I read that for there was one camaro sold for every four Mustangs. No wonder they pulled the plug on it.

The purists hate to hear it, but the reason the Mustang survived was that it was a practical daily driver and the V6 model was affordable for those who wanted the style without the fire breathing performance. The old Fox platform was also cheap to manufacture.

Of course the purists also tend to lose sight of the fact that the whole pony car segment sprang from daily drivers rebodied into sporty cars.

[racer2c]

The purists hate to hear it, but the reason the Mustang survived was that it was a practical daily driver and the V6 model was affordable for those who wanted the style without the fire breathing performance. The old Fox platform was also cheap to manufacture.

Of course the purists also tend to lose sight of the fact that the whole pony car segment sprang from daily drivers rebodied into sporty cars.

Right, the original Mustang was built on the Falcon frame and even on through the 80's it was built on the slightly evolved Fox platform.

[oddlycalm]

The camero will do well, It has quite a following. Yeah, I've always been impressed by how loyal the rural slack jaw market has been to the Camero (sic) and Firebird while largely ignoring the much better selling Mustang. :gomer:

oc

[oddlycalm]

the reason the Mustang survived was that it was a practical daily driver and the V6 model was affordable for those who wanted the style without the fire breathing performance. The old Fox platform was also cheap to manufacture. Exactly right, and the car was incredibly profitable for the company because it was not only inexpensive to produce but the design appealed to people across a very broad demographic so that it sold in serious volume as well. IMO Ford's latest version has done a very effective job of renewing that franchise.

Hard to imagine the new Camaro design is going to have that same kind of broad appeal. It's the same overstated garish styling that has driven people away from GM products in hordes and I don't really see it getting an administrative assistant out of her Civic in the same way the new Mustang very well might.

oc

[RichK]

and I don't really see it getting an administrative assistant out of her Civic in the same way the new Mustang very well might.

oc


Especially with $3-$4 per gallon gas. GM timing at its finest!

[chop456]

Still waiting for the big 3's answer to the Fit, Versa and Yaris.

I'll be over here in the corner holding my breath. :gomer:

[racer2c]

Still waiting for the big 3's answer to the Fit, Versa and Yaris.

I'll be over here in the corner holding my breath. :gomer:

Are those new Toyota's? I don't care how good of a vehicle they may be, I'm not driving anything called Fit, Versa or Yaris.

[chop456]

Are those new Toyota's? I don't care how good of a vehicle they may be, I'm not driving anything called Fit, Versa or Yaris.

After the big 3 are bought out by Toyota, you'll be driving the Pinky Miss Maxipad GTS if that's what they want to call it. :D

[racer2c]

After the big 3 are bought out by Toyota, you'll be driving the Pinky Miss Maxipad GTS if that's what they want to call it. :D

I hear ya. :D

[devilmaster]

even if its seriously ugly, there will be people who buy it......

case in point:

http://www.edmunds.com/media/reviews/top10/05.trucks.worst.residual.value/05.pontiac.aztek.500.jpg

[RichK]

After the big 3 are bought out by Toyota, you'll be driving the Pinky Miss Maxipad GTS if that's what they want to call it. :D

chop, you need to post more often. I may get fired for the guffaws erupting from my office, though! :cool:

[RichK]

Still waiting for the big 3's answer to the Fit, Versa and Yaris.

I'll be over here in the corner holding my breath. :gomer:

My local Chevy dealer put all their trucks/SUVs in the "spare" lot, and moved their "Malibus" (did they have to desecrate the Malibu name?) to the street facing traffic, which also faces two gas stations. I haven't seen one of them budge in a few weeks now.

[FTG]

I bet a lot of fat, bald guys who can't afford a Porsche, or a mistress, would rather drive that than a Camry or a minivan.

[rabbit]

Ugly is such a relative term...

http://www.automobilemag.com/auto_shows/naias_2006/0602_mjd_chevy_camaro_02_445.jpg

http://www.automobilemag.com/auto_shows/naias_2006/0602_camaro_ofsk_02_445.jpg

http://www.gridbrasil.com.br/equipes/irl_andretti.JPG

[nrc]

Still waiting for the big 3's answer to the Fit, Versa and Yaris.

I'll be over here in the corner holding my breath. :gomer:

Ford already has answers. They're just not convinced that enough people in the U.S. are asking the question.
http://www.webcarcenter.com/actualite/image/big/ford_fiesta_st_av.jpg
http://www.autorevue.cz/Obrazky/2005/09zari/auta200/07.jpg

[chop456]

The Ka's even too small for me. I like the Fiesta and would probably buy one.

No worries. After the first 500,000 Fits, Yarises and Versas are sold, they'll bring it to the U.S. :shakehead

[coolhand]

Yeah, I've always been impressed by how loyal the rural slack jaw market has been to the Camero (sic) and Firebird while largely ignoring the much better selling Mustang. :gomer:

oc

I said it was not up there with the mustang, Thanks for reiterating my point. :gomer:

and hicks do love the camaro

[Ankf00]

I said it was not up there with the mustang, Thanks for reiterating my point.

and hicks do love the camaro
get back to researching how Vince Young is like Kordell Stewart and how bridges ice during the winter

taildragger > you :gomer:

and mustangs are king **** why? because the LX is the ultimate high school girl's car :gomer: :laugh:

[Ankf00]

chop, you need to post more often. I may get fired for the guffaws erupting from my office, though! :cool:

what chop needs to do is buy Shiner for pennies on the bottle, horde it, and bring a whole ****ing truckload of that cheap ass shiner bock to RA with him... this will help alleviate my homesickness come late September :)

[coolhand]

get back to researching how Vince Young is like Kordell Stewart and how bridges ice during the winter

taildragger > you :gomer:

and mustangs are king **** why? because the LX is the ultimate high school girl's car :gomer: :laugh:

Hi ank :gomer: (VY's career has not even started yet.) Stay on Topic.

[Ankf00]

also, Camaros on blocks circa model year 1983 are the typical Okiemobile, reason enough that they suck...

sadly, my google skills are abhorrable and I cannot find the famous photograph of Mulleticus Okieus posing in front of his Camaro :(

[Joelski]

Bought a new truck last week and while I was at the dealer they had one of these on the floor:

http://www.mustangheaven.com/stangspecs/saleen/images/06saleen_glasstop.jpg

$58,000. 425hp Supercharged V8. Amazing looking car on the floor.

Saw one when I got my new truck last month. Had an organism right in the showroom. :)

[chop456]

Ford already has answers. They're just not convinced that enough people in the U.S. are asking the question.

Here's another one we won't be getting.

Ford S-Max named European car of the year (http://www.green-car-guide.com/news/ford-s-max-voted-car-of-year.htm)

http://www.planetblueoval.com/boimages/smax_front.jpg
http://www.theaa.com/images/allaboutcars/testreports/2006048_ford_smax_interior.jpg

Not too small, not too big, Mondeo handling, 5+2 seating that folds flat, a 6-speed and choice of 5 engines including a 46mpg diesel. Yep, I sure wouldn't want anything like that. We get the Edge :tony:, which looks like a poorly-done ripoff of a 5-year old Nissan design. I'd love to find out who makes these decisions and slap them.

[Spicoli]

Here's another one we won't be getting.

Ford S-Max named European car of the year (http://www.green-car-guide.com/news/ford-s-max-voted-car-of-year.htm)

http://www.planetblueoval.com/boimages/smax_front.jpg
http://www.theaa.com/images/allaboutcars/testreports/2006048_ford_smax_interior.jpg

Not too small, not too big, Mondeo handling, 5+2 seating that folds flat, a 6-speed and choice of 5 engines including a 46mpg diesel. Yep, I sure wouldn't want anything like that. We get the Edge :tony:, which looks like a poorly-done ripoff of a 5-year old Nissan design. I'd love to find out who makes these decisions and slap them.


They are getting a beating on the stockmarket Rob. You think they would learn....:shakehead

[nrc]

I think Mulally is still in "homina, homina, homina" mode, but it sounds like he recognizes that there's too much disparity in the global product line. Previous execs have come to this same conclusion but nobody has been able to tear down the walls enough to really make a difference.

[RichK]

Is our diesel fuel supply ready for the Euro models yet?

[chop456]

Is our diesel fuel supply ready for the Euro models yet?

Yep. ULSD has been mandatory since 11/1, I think. I haven't seen any of the old stuff around here since early October. The new MB Bluetecs are supposed to be 50-state legal. I'm sure California will find a way to ban them on principle, though. :D

[Andrew Longman]

I think they are copying the Dodge designs. If you are going retro, do it right. :shakehead

Not surprising. Bob Lutz started the retro thing when he led Chrysler. Think PT Cruiser, etc.

He now heads up design at GM and is responsible for this, that Chevy PT Cruiser thing, etc.

[chop456]

Still waiting for the big 3's answer to the Fit, Versa and Yaris.

I'll be over here in the corner holding my breath. :gomer:

^ Coincidentally, this was posted exactly two years ago. Here's the current story:


With oil prices now at a record $4/gallon buyers in the US are frantically ditching their powerful trucks and SUV's in favour of smaller cars with smaller engines.

Between January and April, sales of basic compact cars such as the Toyota Yaris and Nissan Versa rose 36.7 percent over a year earlier, according to JD Power.

Sales of the Chevrolet Aveo rose 23 percent in April despite slower sales in the previous three months but sales of large SUV's such as the Chevrolet Tahoe and Ford Expedition plunged 26.9 percent.

http://www.motoring.co.za/index.php?fArticleId=4434786&fSectionId=928&fSetId=381

So where are the Dodge Sipper SXT and the Ford Miser Eddie Bauer Edition? I'll let GM off the hook a bit since they actually have something to sell, even if they don't build it. Oh yeah, this has only been coming for 5 years. We can't expect miracles. :tony:

They deserve to go out of business. :thumdown:

[chop456]

Bad news/good news. :thumdown:

If they had planned a car that there was any demand for, some of those people could probably keep their jobs. :shakehead


GM to close 4 truck plants

Automaker plans to shut pickup and SUV plants by 2010, plans to build more fuel-efficient vehicles, and may dump the Hummer brand.

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- General Motors announced plans Tuesday to shut four pickup and SUV plants, saying high fuel prices have produced a rapid and permanent change in consumer preferences away from the truck models on which it has depended.

At a news conference in Wilmington, Del., GM Chairman and CEO Rick Wagoner also unveiled plans to produce more fuel efficient vehicles

The plants to be closed include two U.S. facilities - Moraine, Ohio and Janesville, Wis., along with plants in Canada and Mexico. The plants will close in 2009 and 2010. Each plant has about 2,500 employees.

Wagoner also said GM is looking at possibly selling its Hummer brand, the large SUV based on military vehicles.

He also announced that GM has approved production of the Chevrolet Volt, a so-called plug-in hybrid vehicle that can run about 40 miles without any use of gasoline. That is due in showrooms by the end of 2010. .

The plans were announced ahead of GM's (GM, Fortune 500) annual meeting Tuesday. It follows similar plans unveiled last month by rival Ford Motor (F, Fortune 500), although Ford did not give details of plant closing plans.

[dando]

Never heard of Moraine, OH :saywhat:....perhaps they meant Loraine, OH. Another big blow to an already suffering north coast. :( Who the **** is gonna want to buy Hummer? Tata? I :shakehead every time I see one of those things on the road. Idiots.

-Kevin

[Sean O'Gorman]

Moraine, OH=Dayton area suburb. My dad had a job in the GM plant there in high school. He told me a story once about how there was no work to do, so he started cleaning, when one of the foreman yelled at him and made him hide because they didn't want to be caught with nothing to do. My dad said between that and the stampede to leave when the whistle blew at 5 PM, he knew he didn't want anything to do with unionized work. Go figure that he votes Democrat, whereas my mom, who was in the UFCW for some 15 years, votes Republican. ;)

[dando]

Moraine, OH=Dayton area suburb. My dad had a job in the GM plant there in high school. He told me a story once about how there was no work to do, so he started cleaning, when one of the foreman yelled at him and made him hide because they didn't want to be caught with nothing to do. My dad said between that and the stampede to leave when the whistle blew at 5 PM, he knew he didn't want anything to do with unionized work. Go figure that he votes Democrat, whereas my mom, who was in the UFCW for some 15 years, votes Republican. ;)

Never heard of it, and I did time in Kettering when I was a grasshopper (~2-8). *shrug* That's bad karma for Dayton, which is also suffering. Mead just laid off a bunch of peeps recently. :(

-Kevin

[cameraman]

Two years later and it is still butt ugly.

It looks like an evil transformer character from a kid's cartoon.

http://www.chevrolet.com/camaro/images/photogallery/mastheads/_0000s_0002_coup_02.jpg
:shakehead

[JLMannin]

Two years later and it is still butt ugly.

It looks like an evil transformer character from a kid's cartoon.

http://www.chevrolet.com/camaro/images/photogallery/mastheads/_0000s_0002_coup_02.jpg
:shakehead


If they would do a stainless steel version, it could be the next Delorean :D

[extramundane]

Mead just laid off a bunch of peeps recently. :(

I guess we now know how they're paying for the shiny new HQ building they're building here.

[Sean Malone]

Actually it is one of the FRIENDLY transformers!:D

[Andrew Longman]

Two years later and it is still butt ugly.

It looks like an evil transformer character from a kid's cartoon.

http://www.chevrolet.com/camaro/images/photogallery/mastheads/_0000s_0002_coup_02.jpg
:shakehead


Seems cartoonish. Like a lot of the Chrysler cars of late

Reminds me of a certain shark

http://thecia.com.au/reviews/f/images/finding-nemo-2.jpg

[FTG]

Bad news/good news. :thumdown:

If they had planned a car that there was any demand for, some of those people could probably keep their jobs. :shakehead

"While cutting its truck capacity by over 700,000 units annually, Wagoner said GM is adding a shift a Michigan plant making the Malibu mid-sized sedan and also will boost production at an Ohio factory assembling the compact Chevrolet Cobalt and Pontiac G5."