Why is everyone all of a sudden a terrorist suspect?

[KLang]

He was seen leaving an apartment building where a suspects had an apartment. He didn't really look like any of the suspects. His only crime was looking foreign.

Thanks, didn't remember the details. Looking foreign AND being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

[Ankf00]

That article doesn't address why they were following him in the first place.

The guardian? :laugh:
:rolleyes: You'll have to forgive me for bothering to read instead of staring at cable news.

if you have something factual that refutes the account of the actual person who leaked the documents I'd be more than interested in listening.


and what the **** does "wrong place at wrong time" have to do with any of this? were all brown people supposed to hole up in their apartments and avoid all forms of public transport so as to not be confused for a terrorist after the subway bombing? or should they walk around naked so that no one confuses their denim jacket for a bomb? the police were too stupid to detain a supposed suspect before he boards a damn train?

the facts remain, denim jacket, walked into the station & paid his fare. the facts remain, the "official" story after the shooting was that he had a bulky jacket, jumped the turnstile, and ran from police. If it was so legit, why all the lies?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/menezes/story/0,,1822211,00.html

Sir Ian Blair's own officers concluded that the Metropolitan police commissioner's decision to block an independent inquiry into the fatal shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes left the force open to accusations of a cover-up, the Guardian has learned.
Their findings are contained in an internal Metropolitan police document that was written hours after Mr de Menezes was killed in Stockwell tube station last July after police mistook him for a terrorist. Just after the shooting, Sir Ian tried to stop the Independent Police Complaints Commission investigating the case, informing the Home Office in writing that he would deny IPCC staff access to the scene at Stockwell.

[KLang]

Do we know for sure that a young white or black man leaving that building at that time would not also have been followed?

[Ankf00]

Do we know for sure that a young white or black man leaving that building at that time would not also have been followed?
there's a huge difference between following and shooting in the head after walking up from behind.

If the police are doing their job, if they were following someone they believed to have a bomb, they should stop that person before they entered a public gathering space such as a train station or even the train itself.

Coast Guard: "Well, we knew they were carrying a bomb, but we wanted to wait until they were in the middle of the ship channel next to the BP refinery. You know, just to be safe. Too bad half of Houston is now gone."

[KLang]

there's a huge difference between following and shooting in the head after walking up from behind.

If the police are doing their job, if they were following someone they believed to have a bomb, they should stop that person before they entered a public gathering space such as a train station or even the train itself.


I agree. I have no idea why the British cops did what they did. You and nrc seem to assume automatically it is a racial issue. I just wonder if that was really the case.

[Ankf00]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Charles_de_Menezes


At around 9:30 a.m., surveillance officers observing the address saw a man, Menezes, emerge from the communal entrance of the block. The officers were watching three men who they claimed were Somali or Ethiopian in appearance.

So I guess the answer to your last question would be "no."

[Insomniac]

:rolleyes: You'll have to forgive me for bothering to read instead of staring at cable news.

if you have something factual that refutes the account of the actual person who leaked the documents I'd be more than interested in listening.


and what the **** does "wrong place at wrong time" have to do with any of this? were all brown people supposed to hole up in their apartments and avoid all forms of public transport so as to not be confused for a terrorist after the subway bombing? or should they walk around naked so that no one confuses their denim jacket for a bomb? the police were too stupid to detain a supposed suspect before he boards a damn train?

the facts remain, denim jacket, walked into the station & paid his fare. the facts remain, the "official" story after the shooting was that he had a bulky jacket, jumped the turnstile, and ran from police. If it was so legit, why all the lies?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/menezes/story/0,,1822211,00.html

Not only that, they let him board a bus as well before that. The bombings the day before also blew up a bus.

[Insomniac]

Do we know for sure that a young white or black man leaving that building at that time would not also have been followed?


One officer believed the Brazilian had "Mongolian eyes" similar to Osman Hussain's.

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/crime/article307307.ece

I have no idea what "Mongolian Eyes" are, but he looked like this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/66/Menezes.jpg

So I guess they only followed people who had "Mongolian Eyes".

[Dr. Corkski]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Charles_de_Menezes



So I guess the answer to your last question would be "no."I am sure they were looking for White Ethiopians and Somalis too, just so they can pretend race had nothing to do with it. :gomer:

[Dr. Corkski]

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/crime/article307307.ece

I have no idea what "Mongolian Eyes" are, but he looked like this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/66/Menezes.jpg

So I guess they only followed people who had "Mongolian Eyes".That just bodes well for racial profiling when you have crack law enforcement teams looking for Brazilian terrorists with Mongolian eyes.

[Stu]

That just bodes well for racial profiling when you have crack law enforcement teams looking for Brazilian terrorists with Mongolian eyes.


Just have to look for people with Unibrows.

[eiregosod]

:laugh:

Seems the British airports aren't fully staffing the security checkpoints. That's what some airlines are claiming. The airlines want the cops and the army to help with the extra secuity precautions.

As for the guys in CO-19 who shot Mr De Menezes, they were proesucted for failing to protect Mr De Menezes 'ealth n' saf'ty (in other words: they got off).

[dando]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2313135,00.html


THE Government is discussing with airport operators plans to introduce a screening system that allows security staff to focus on those passengers who pose the greatest risk.

The passenger-profiling technique involves selecting people who are behaving suspiciously, have an unusual travel pattern or, most controversially, have a certain ethnic or religious background.

The system would be much more sophisticated than simply picking out young men of Asian appearance. But it would cause outrage in the Muslim community because its members would be far more likely to be selected for extra checks.

Also interesting is the new 'lie detector' being tested in Knoxville:

http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB115551793796934752-2hgveyRtDDtssKozVPmg6RAAa_w_20070813.html?mod=tff_ main_tff_top

-Kevin

[Insomniac]

Interesting read here:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/08/17/flying_toilet_terror_labs/

With all the information that has come out now, makes you wonder if there was any threat (it certainly didn't seem imminent) and if now there is a huge and unnecessary overreaction.

[KLang]

Bye, Bye thread.