the real reason cosworth is gone from f1

[trauma1]

ferrari as usual got a special ruling from max to supply more than 2 teams with engines so ferrari could make more $$$$:flame:

http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns17670.html

Having established this, one has to ask why Ferrari should be allowed to supply more teams than others as it will mean a material benefit given that there is now a testing restriction which means that a team running six cars will get more information than a team running four engines. This is the problem that has developed in recent years in NASCAR where the big teams gain an advantage by doing more tests and thus drive the smaller operations out of business.

It is also a disastrous announcement for Cosworth because it means that there is now almost no chance of an engine deal in the future. The aim of the rule changes was to protect the smaller companies in F1 - at least that was one of the stated aims - but the reality is that Cosworth is being driven out of the sport because it cannot subsidise its engines as the other teams do. Ferrari, on the other hand, is being allowed to subsidise its engines by selling more to others.

Worst of all, however, is the fact that the new ruling means that the perception of the FIA being too close to Ferrari is strengthened rather than weakened. And that is no good for anyone in the sport.

[Dr. Corkski]

That's OK, Kalkhoven will buy F1 and fix everything after he is done buying North Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan, New Orleans, and Africa.

[trauma1]

is that per wilkie or defender:D

[chop456]

Was there ever a time when Cosworth supplied more than one team?

Just curious. ;)

[trauma1]

last year 2 teams this year williams and toro rossi, they have had at least 2 teams most every year

[chop456]

That was a joke but I appreciate your enthusiasm. :D

[TrueBrit]

Was there ever a time when Cosworth supplied more than one team?

Just curious. ;)

Um, yeah and stuff....think back to the days of the DFV and ask the question again.....;)

[NismoZ]

ALL of 'em?:) ('cept, you know.)

[Heeltoe]

"a major car manufacturer may not directly or indirectly supply engines for more than two teams of two cars each without the consent of the FIA".

i don't see how this is a special ferrari rule. the rule already contemplates an automaker supplying more than 2 teams, it's not as if the FIA had originally adopted the rule totally barring the practice THEN ignored it only for ferarri, it seems any team can make a case to the FIA for consent.

i don't see how this suddenly ruins cosworth either, since we're talking '08. cosworth was already passed over for a deal next year (blame williams, red bull and whatever jordan is called now since they're the ones buying customer engines, they all judged another product better than cosworth) so the outlook wasn't good anyways, how is letting ferrari keep supplying 3 teams (as they will do next year) changing things?

the unfair testing argument is a joke and is what is ruining f1. let's level the playing field, now that's nascar. should the fia have stopped michelin from signing up all but 3 teams last year b/c it gave michelin-shod teams a testing advantage -- one that problably decided the wdc before the first race was ever run?

[JT265]

That's OK, Kalkhoven will buy F1 and fix everything after he is done buying North Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan, New Orleans, and Africa.


Man you need to get a clue! There is no proper return in buying New Orleans. Leasing however, presents many attractive options. :saywhat:











:laugh:

[gjc2]

Was there ever a time when Cosworth supplied more than one team?

1978 Argentine Grand Prix

http://www.formula1.com/archive/grandprix/1978/409.html

Of the 27 cars entered 22 used Cosworth engines (badged Ford)
Of the 24 cars that made the race 19 were Cosworth powered.

[Redwing]

1978 Argentine Grand Prix

http://www.formula1.com/archive/grandprix/1978/409.html

Of the 27 cars entered 22 used Cosworth engines (badged Ford)
Of the 24 cars that made the race 19 were Cosworth powered.

Yes, and journos (probably the awful N. Roebuk) complained that F1 was nothing but a 'bloody kit car' series in the '70's!

[Redwing]

KK hinted that Cosworth would produce a ALMS engine. IIRC Cosworth engines were run as 3.3L turbos for WEC in the late '80's.

[extramundane]

KK hinted that Cosworth would produce a ALMS engine. IIRC Cosworth engines were run as 3.3L turbos for WEC in the late '80's.

It's no secret that Cosworth already has produced an LMP1-spec engine. They issued a press release last spring or so stating as much. What's been recently hinted at is a 'factory' Cosworth ALMS entry (or two, to be precise), possibly run by PKV or Forsythe.

As for Cosworth and F1, maybe they can unload some of the V10s on Dave Richards in 2008. After all, if he goes into it with relatively equal equipment, he won't have anyone else to blame he gets a mudhole stomped in his ass. :cry:

[oddlycalm]

Supplying more teams has everything to do with amortising costs even if more test data isn't as important going forward. In metal manufacturing set-up time, tooling and fixturing is where all the cost is. Making 3 parts cost very little more than making 1. While the assembly labor, material and support labor is also significant, with frozen engine designs Ferrari will be recouping enough from the customer teams to significantly change their cost of supplying engines for their own team. Adding an additional team would be a a big advantage.

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