Hat's off to Robin Miller

[toymaker]

As a long time fan of ChampCar/CART, I find it ironic that they would fire someone who is only stating what all of us race fans have been saying/thinking for months. Perhaps the executives (???) at ChampCar should look within their own company and find out why they can not generate enough commercial interest (let alone fan interest...which black car are you cheering for?) to gain sponsorship for the series.

It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out why NASCAB is kicking their ass...they never let the PR machine shut down, even in the off season. We are always being given some information, regardlesss how small or insignificant, yet they are getting it in front of their fans year round.

We sit and wait for who will drive the cars, how many will there be, will they be powered by Briggs & Stratton? Is the race on or not? The season starts in just 40 days and it is like nothing is happening. So far we have 5 drivers, three cars with any paint scheme and two of the three owners scaling back their operations.

Robin, you can be a bit caustic, a bit funny and sometimes you can downright piss people off (a.j.f.), but in this case you were dead on to what the fan base is wondering and as such they should be glad that you put this in front of the ChampCar executives to address. It is a sad statement on their part to reward your honestly with a knee-jerk reaction styled firing.

I for one, will still look forward to any nugget that we get from you, and hope that this means that you will wrirte more often for the commentary section of speedtv.com.

Best wishes for the future,

A fan who see this for what it is! Pathetic.

P.S. Let's hear it foir the ride buyer in the balck Panoz/Bridgestone/DeSoto
:thumbup:

[oddlycalm]

Killing the messenger may feel good temporarily but it won't solve anything.

oc

[TorontoWorker]

Did we need a new thread for this? (We've already got one below running...)

[KLang]

Did we need a new thread for this?

Nope.

[Insomniac]

NASCAR is popular because TG took his ball and went home. Plain and simple.

[GOFAST1]

nascar channel paid RM therefore I don't read to much in to it, as those of you that like RM and his statement you have your irl. I'm Champcar fan and my money and I will show up at Champcar race.

[RichK]

nascar channel paid RM therefore I don't read to much in to it, as those of you that like RM and his statement you have your irl. I'm Champcar fan and my money and I will show up at Champcar race.

Stretch out & enjoy!

[Insomniac]

nascar channel paid RM therefore I don't read to much in to it, as those of you that like RM and his statement you have your irl. I'm Champcar fan and my money and I will show up at Champcar race.

I doubt most of us around here "like" what he said. We all wish the series was doing better.

[pkvracing12]

:thumbup:
nascar channel paid RM therefore I don't read to much in to it, as those of you that like RM and his statement you have your irl. I'm Champcar fan and my money and I will show up at Champcar race.

[Warlock!]

nascar channel paid RM therefore I don't read to much in to it, as those of you that like RM and his statement you'll have to watch something else when Champcar goes tits-up. I'm a head-in-the-sand Champcar fan and I'd much rather have sunshine blown up my ass,,,Don't worry... I fixed that for ya.

[rabbit]

Don't worry... I fixed that for ya.

:thumbup:

[rabbit]

People say a lot of stuff about Robin Miller, like Gagnon's free meal remark. But the fact of the matter is that Robin loves this sport more than anybody I know. I had the pleasure to work with him for a few years and I have never met ANYONE with more passion for the sport. Robin is his own man. He says what he says without regard for who is signing his check. He has no other agenda than to make the sport better. IRL fans call him a Champ Car shill. Crappies call him an Indy-centric gomer. He has managed to piss off, and get fired by, people on both sides of the split. In my opinion, this means he must be on to something. He is one of the few rational voices left in the argument.

[Spicoli]

People say a lot of stuff about Robin Miller, like Gagnon's free meal remark. But the fact of the matter is that Robin loves this sport more than anybody I know. I had the pleasure to work with him for a few years and I have never met ANYONE with more passion for the sport. Robin is his own man. He says what he says without regard for who is signing his check. He has no other agenda than to make the sport better. IRL fans call him a Champ Car shill. Crappies call him an Indy-centric gomer. He has managed to piss off, and get fired by, people on both sides of the split. In my opinion, this means he must be on to something. He is one of the few rational voices left in the argument.


Gag-one is just looking for a job. maybe Robin's old job? :yuck:

[STD]

Gag-one is just looking for a job. maybe Robin's old job? :yuck:

Does he currently work for the SCCA? :rofl:

[formulaben]

http://www.speedtv.com/commentary/35723/

[G.]

The title of this column could be “Career Suicide 101,” because I’ve become somewhat of an authority on the subject and hopefully it will enlighten some people on the consequences of trying to tell the truth.

And I want to thank my bosses at SPEEDTV.com in advance for indulging me and letting me explain why I can’t hold a job.
:D

[mueber]

Robin DID write the truth, but no employer can tolerate bad mouthing by an employee. That's the way it is everywhere in the world. The mistake Champ Car made was hiring him in the first place.

I suppose they hoped to "buy" his support, but, come on, it's Robin Miller were talking about here. Miller gets fired by his employers because he tests the limits. Nothing wrong with that, but it isn't the employers' fault when the limits are crossed.

It will be interesting to see how Robin encourages Speed Channel to fire him, probably a "Dale Earnhardt is gay" comment. And when it happens, it won't be that employer's fault either.

[KLang]

'Handling the Truth'

I don't think Miller knows the difference between the truth, rumors and his own opinion.

[Insomniac]

Robin DID write the truth, but no employer can tolerate bad mouthing by an employee. That's the way it is everywhere in the world. The mistake Champ Car made was hiring him in the first place.

I suppose they hoped to "buy" his support, but, come on, it's Robin Miller were talking about here. Miller gets fired by his employers because he tests the limits. Nothing wrong with that, but it isn't the employers' fault when the limits are crossed.

It will be interesting to see how Robin encourages Speed Channel to fire him, probably a "Dale Earnhardt is gay" comment. And when it happens, it won't be that employer's fault either.

And you have to commend RM for that. He stayed true to being a journalist instead of writing a self-serving piece to keep the checks coming.

[Gnam]

I got gassed because IMS officials told owner Jeff Smulyan that WIBC could become the official station of IMS but not until they got rid of me.
...
A week after I was escorted out of the building, The Star and IMS became partners. What a coincidence.
...
Channel 13, the local NBC affiliate that I’d worked for since ’95, kept me through 2001 before becoming “news gathering partners” with The Star, who demanded I get the boot and, naturally, I did in 2002.

What's the lesson?

maybe FTG wanted Robin Miller out at CCWS BEFORE he'd ok a merger! :p

[/truth] :thumbup:

[Dr. Corkski]

And you have to commend RM for that. He stayed true to being a journalist instead of writing a self-serving piece to keep the checks coming.Real interweb journalists write self-serving pieces to keep the hardcards coming,,,

[FTG]

He wrote that Champ Car should be sold to TG. People around here used to think that was "stupid." Why do you now think it is "the truth?"

[JoeBob]

And you have to commend RM for that. He stayed true to being a journalist instead of writing a self-serving piece to keep the checks coming.

Except the "Career Suicide" piece was nothing but self-serving.

[STD]

Well , well enough of Handling The Truth at Speed?
Tried several times to bring it up in the last half hour, nothing there.
Doesn't show on the commentary list either.

[KLang]

Yep it's gone. :laugh: I'm guessing the PTB's at Speed were too embarrassed for him to leave it up. :laugh:

[cameraman]

He wrote that Champ Car should be sold to TG. People around here used to think that was "stupid." Why do you now think it is "the truth?"

hyperbole
Pronunciation[hahy-pur-buh-lee]
–noun Rhetoric.
1. obvious and intentional exaggeration.
2. an extravagant statement or figure of speech not intended to be taken literally, as “to wait an eternity.”

[Insomniac]

Except the "Career Suicide" piece was nothing but self-serving.

Sure, maybe it draws people to him for putting his writing ahead of a paycheck, but the fact of the matter is, he did. And we all know a lot of people wouldn't.

[FTG]

hyperbole
Pronunciation[hahy-pur-buh-lee]
–noun Rhetoric.
1. obvious and intentional exaggeration.
2. an extravagant statement or figure of speech not intended to be taken literally, as “to wait an eternity.”

Yep. He speaks the truth, except when he doesn't.

[FTG]

I'm surprised how many people don't have a clue unless things are spelled out for them.


As some of you may know and I have alluded to this, the video content page on Champ Car’s website will take a dramatically expanded role. As it should. Right now we’re looking to have a huge influx of content, varying from interviews, daily reports, tech features, lighter-side skits, night-on-the-town kind of stuff, whatever we can think of we can try. We have a budget this year and it should be great.

Not too long ago I proposed that we launch our efforts with a splash and suggested that a sit down with Kevin Kalkhoven would be a good idea, at Spring Training. Not a cheerleading sit-down, not a rah rah, everything is rosy sit-down, but an actual interview. Go to the source on some issues. I figured we could have fun with him too, ask him silly questions that a man of his stature has no business answering, but business-talk first. And in lieu of Robin’s article and things being the way they currently are, this potential interview couldn’t come at a better time.

Well, it looks like this idea might come to fruition. Still ironing out some details in terms of availability and scheduling, but it looks very promising.
This is where you come in. I’d very much like to have your suggestions on what to ask Mr. Kevin Kalkhoven. Obviously we have some questions in mind and there are obvious one’s to ask. Nonetheless, I would like to hear some of your suggestions and if one of your questions were to be asked, then proper credit would be given (with your permission, of course).

So, please send me some suggestions. My email is emgagnon@yahoo.com


An old fart who does nothing but write columns was replaced by someone who does web videos. Champ Car is going to try to attract people who like YouTube.

You can debate whether that's smart or dumb, but if you think Miller was fired for one column you are hopelessly naive. The old fart pissed on the boss' shoes on the way out the door.

A classy person would've left quietly. Spicoli would've taken a dump. Pissing is just lame.

[nissan gtp]

Miller is the best

[Louie]

NASCAR is popular because TG took his ball and went home. Plain and simple.

There are lots of good reason to give ol' TG grief, but he is NOT responsible for the advent of NASCAR as an Americon pop culture mainstay.

How did this crap ever get started?

[Opposite Lock]

Well , well enough of Handling The Truth at Speed?
Tried several times to bring it up in the last half hour, nothing there.
Doesn't show on the commentary list either.


Just for the sake of thread completeness, here it is:



MILLER: Handling the Truth
Written by: Robin Miller
Indianapolis, Ind. – 3/2/2007

The title of this column could be “Career Suicide 101,” because I’ve become somewhat of an authority on the subject and hopefully it will enlighten some people on the consequences of trying to tell the truth.

And I want to thank my bosses at SPEEDTV.com in advance for indulging me and letting me explain why I can’t hold a job.

For 32 of my first 50 years I had the good fortune to be a reporter/columnist at The Indianapolis Star, which was somewhat of a miracle since I’d flunked out of that academic pillar at Ball State.

I covered my first Indy 500 for The Star in 1969 and by 1975 I was racing midgets in USAC and writing a racing column 52 weeks a year (mostly on USAC). By 1977, I’d become the lead racing writer for the only newspaper in the country that truly cared about motorsports.

From ’77 until 2000, my May ritual was write the daily lead, a column every other day and contribute to our Pit Pass notebook. When you threw in the Bob & Tom radio show every morning (I worked with the irreverent Jay Baker on Dick’s Picks from Gasoline Alley) and the trackside TV show I did every night, it was a long but fun day that I loved. And it got even better the Thursday before the race when I emceed The Last Row Party (an event that roasted the 31st, 32nd and 33rd starters).

All this background is necessary to illustrate what happened in 1996.

When Tony George divided open wheel racing with the formation of the Indy Racing League, changed the qualifying procedure (you surely remember 25/8) at Indy and replaced Andretti, Fittipaldi, Rahal, Sullivan and Unser with Bronco Brad Murphey and Racin’ Gardner, I went on the attack. In print, on local television and on my nightly radio show on WIBC, I railed against the IMS pres almost daily and he explored pulling my credential but was wisely talked out of it.

Now, I still covered Indy like always, writing the news and accomplishments of the day along with feel-good columns on Tony Stewart and Mark Dismore, but continued to pound T. George. I treated the competitors like any other May because they put on the show and it wasn’t their fault Indy had been forever damaged.

Of course the interesting thing was the rest of my local media brethren. They all knew this wasn’t the real Indy 500 but nary a disparaging word came out of their mouths. Just all that happy talk and gushing about Joe Gosek and those big crowds watching qualifying. It was see-no-evil on TV and hear-no-evil on radio for a solid month and I was the ONLY voice speaking out on the obvious emasculation of May.

That summer I got gassed from my five-night-a-week radio gig at WIBC because management claimed the “ratings” were disappointing from 7-10 p.m. on AM radio. Yeah right. I got gassed because IMS officials told owner Jeff Smulyan that WIBC could become the official station of IMS but not until they got rid of me.

The Star had tried to become business partners with IMS since the mid-’90s but its marketing staff was told “never” as long as that $#&*%@ Miller was still writing for the paper. In January of 2001, the Gannett ****s showed me the door because, drum roll please, I’d tainted the paper by helping Kenny Brack start his website, supposedly broke a racing story on CART’s website, borrowed money from Tom Sneva (after he quit driving) and used vulgar language in some emails (really, me?).

A week after I was escorted out of the building, The Star and IMS became partners. What a coincidence.

Channel 13, the local NBC affiliate that I’d worked for since ’95, kept me through 2001 before becoming “news gathering partners” with The Star, who demanded I get the boot and, naturally, I did in 2002.

Oh yeah, I wasn’t allowed on Bob & Tom anymore either, because I’d lambasted Tony once when those two radio jocks had suggested the “buzz” had returned to the Speedway.

But let’s fast forward to 2007. The Indy media is all a bunch suck-ups who either want to keep their pace car, free Indy tickets or jobs with the IMS network so they’ve never uttered a discouraging word about May during all these years despite the fact they privately acknowledge it’s lost its crowd, luster and pedigree.

And many of my old racing “friends” who turned on me and called me a Commie bastard for criticizing Tony have since admitted the obvious, Indy has been reduced to a one-day event and is never coming back like it was in 1995.

Owners, mechanics and drivers who praised Tony and cursed me in the late ’90s now take his name in vain because they’ve all been left behind as the IRL morphed into CART Lite, to quote A.J. Foyt.

I worked for ESPN from 2001-2004 before it stopped covering motorsports and went to work for SPEED while continuing to freelance for Autosport and Champ Car’s website. How can he be objective on open wheel racing if he gets money from Champ Car, was the question many IRL zealots asked.

When either series did something stupid and needed to be reminded, I wrote about it on SpeedTV.com and talked about it on SPEED Report or Wind Tunnel. Even though Champ Car agreed to let me be semi-critical a few times about schedules, venues and decisions, I’m sure SPEED would have preferred if I only wrote for them.

Well, now I’m all theirs.

After last Sunday’s critique of Champ Car’s state (which by the way was mild compared to some of the commentaries I’ve written about T. George over the years) on SpeedTV.com, I was informed my services were no longer required on Champ Car’s website. (For the record, I’d predicted my dismissal to a couple of friends on Sunday night).

So let’s recap. For reporting the demise of the Indy 500, I lost four jobs, lots of money, several friendships and to this day I’m persona non grata on every Indy radio and TV station except the ABC affiliate during May. Oh, and the Indy Star acts like I never existed on their pages for five decades.

For pointing out that Champ Car has a shortage of common sense, cars, leadership and good judgment on this web site, I lost a nice supplementary income.

Of course this is the big difference between myself and intelligent life. Obviously, I understood the potential consequences of my actions in 1996 and again this past weekend. Keep my mouth shut, toe the party line and collect my checks – facts and reality be damned.

But I can’t play that game of looking the other way when Champ Car tries to fire Tony Cotman or lying about how much drama there is on Bump Day at Indy nowadays.

My problem is that open wheel racing is my family, my job and my passion. Watching it be destroyed is maddening and frustrating. Nobody in this country has written more positive stories about Indy, Indy cars and open wheel than myself. And nobody has been as critical. A healthy faction of CART owners hated me in the late ’80s and early ’90s, and the IRL brain trust has felt that way most of the past 11 years. Now they both loathe me and that’s perfect – I must be doing my job.

Naturally, I understand a lot of people in my business maybe can’t always say what they feel because they’ve got families to feed and can’t afford to lose their job. Telling the truth in the media is usually risk vs. reward. You risk losing money, friends and stability for taking a stand while the reward is the conviction of your reporting.

Auto racing has always been driven by bitching, cheating, lying and stealing other’s peoples drivers and sponsors – it’s the nature of the beast. Indy car racing has always been mismanaged regardless of the call letters. NASCAR has always written its rule book in pencil. USAC has always been stuck in the 1950s. The AMA has always ripped off its riders. Sure there are some great people and stories in motorsports and telling them is the most enjoyable part of our jobs.

But it’s a cut-throat business that demands more honest analysis and usually settles for saccharine shows on TV complete with cheerleading or insulting features about Michael Waltrip’s pain over the cheating on his team.

Thankfully, there are old rippers like Ben Blake, Ed Hinton, Monte Dutton, Gordon Kirby and Brock Yates who are never afraid to hold people’s feet to the fire. Thankfully, SPEED provides me a national forum and doesn’t tell me what to say or write.

In the movie A Few Good Men, Jack Nicholson’s character said: “You want the truth? You can’t handle the truth.”


Robin rules.
signed,
RMFC #15. :gomer:

btw, even Robin can't say the "other" n-word at OC. Or at SPEED.:saywhat:

[STD]

I'm glad I printed out a copy of it earlier today.
I don't mind at all Robin speaking his mind.
His biggest truth in this last commentary?


"Indy car racing has always been mismanaged regardless of the call letters."
Far from sour grapes.

I loved the racing and the level it reached from the late seventies through the later nineties. It was the best professional racing ever seen here in the US.
The front office had little to do with that and never was able to capitalize on it on a level that would have been remotely complementary.
From the numerous rule fiascos, to a total marketing/management brownouts.
From that timeframe till recently it has remained better than anything else offered in the America's
It's a sad statement, they (all of the forms that evolved in the front office) never knew what they really had or how to manage it.
Yes, the fans knew what they had found and they kept coming back for it year after year.

[RARules]

Yep it's gone. :laugh: I'm guessing the PTB's at Speed were too embarrassed for him to leave it up. :laugh:

It seems to be at: http://www.speedtv.com/commentary/35734/

[Opposite Lock]

Auto racing has always been driven by bitching, cheating, lying and stealing other's people’s drivers and sponsors -- it's the nature of the beast. Indy-car racing has always, in my humble opinion, been mismanaged regardless of the call letters. NASCAR has always written its rule book in pencil. USAC has always been stuck in the 1950s. The AMA has plenty of its own issues, just ask any team owner or rider. Sure there are some great people and stories in motorsports and telling them is the most enjoyable part of our jobs.

But it's a cut-throat business that demands more honest analysis and usually settles for saccharine shows on TV complete with cheerleading or insulting features about some sappy team owner’s melodramatic pain over the cheating on his team.

Thankfully, there are old rippers like Ben Blake, Ed Hinton, Monte Dutton, Gordon Kirby and Brock Yates who are never afraid to hold people's feet to the fire. Thankfully, SPEED provides me a national forum and doesn't tell me what to say or write.

compare to post #32 above.

[RichK]

compare to post #32 above.

:laugh:

That's the problem with internet commentary or journalism - it can disappear or change in a second. Luckily OC members are on the ball! :D

[formulaben]

There are lots of good reason to give ol' TG grief, but he is NOT responsible for the advent of NASCAR as an Americon pop culture mainstay.

How did this crap ever get started?

Ahem, NASCAR was absolutely on the rise in the '90s, but there's plenty of evidence that most of the CASUAL VIEWERS of open-wheel went to NASCAR after the split.

To answer your rhetoric, that is how that "crap" got started.

[Andrew Longman]

In many ways I think RM is both symptom and victim of root of the split.

I doubt RM ever said much he didn't believe was true, even when he didn't get it quite right.

But his crusade for the truth and to call the clowns clowns assumes one big thing: that someone actually cares.

Indy racing has always been to big in the Indy area for anyone to genuinely embrace, or publicly admit that TG is a stooge. Outside of Indy, there are not enough people in a position of power to do anything about it.

In the 80-90s when CART was starting to gain notice around the world, Robin started to have an audience beyond Indy and hence had ears for the truth he was spewing.

Sadly, once the sport disintegrated to the point where he was writing for, not about, the series the audience became too small.

Real journalists, like Woodward and Bernstine, only survive because people want to read what they write, not because someone wants them to write something. In RMs case as soon as no one wanted him to write for them he was shown the door.

[KLang]

It seems to be at: http://www.speedtv.com/commentary/35734/

Yep, the title was changed to Fired Again. I don't care enough to look for whatever else has edited.

[Sean Malone]

I'm surprised how many people don't have a clue unless things are spelled out for them.


As some of you may know and I have alluded to this, the video content page on Champ Car’s website will take a dramatically expanded role. As it should. Right now we’re looking to have a huge influx of content, varying from interviews, daily reports, tech features, lighter-side skits, night-on-the-town kind of stuff, whatever we can think of we can try. We have a budget this year and it should be great.




An old fart who does nothing but write columns was replaced by someone who does web videos. Champ Car is going to try to attract people who like YouTube.

.

I can't wait to watch skits and night-on-the-town kind of stuff. Who wouldn't want to see Champ Car drivers forced to play pool at a bar or dress in funny costumes? I mean come on, that's ENTERTAINMENT! Now, maybe if they did "street" interviews like "Guess Who I Am" that would be worth a chuckle.

I think their "video budget" should be pulled and put back into their non-existent marketing department budget.

Oh and just who exactly "likes" YouTube? It's a service for video hosting. It's not chocholate ice cream or BMW.
I'd rather them go after people who "like" fast cars, autoracing, techie crap, knowaddamean? Or how 'bout this? Maybe they go after the millions of fans that have stopped watching them on TV?

I hope they put Katherine in a skit. She's a riot!

[chop456]

That new Malone kid's got moxie.

[Insomniac]

There are lots of good reason to give ol' TG grief, but he is NOT responsible for the advent of NASCAR as an Americon pop culture mainstay.

How did this crap ever get started?

So it was pure coincidence that OW was going dowsn the tubes and NASCAR moved from being on whatever channel would have them (TNN) to getting $millions for TV contracts? OW's downfall had nothing to do with it?

[Insomniac]

An old fart who does nothing but write columns was replaced by someone who does web videos. Champ Car is going to try to attract people who like YouTube.

You can debate whether that's smart or dumb, but if you think Miller was fired for one column you are hopelessly naive. The old fart pissed on the boss' shoes on the way out the door.

A classy person would've left quietly. Spicoli would've taken a dump. Pissing is just lame.

Yes, brilliant strategy. I'm so glad they dumped RM for videos. So why are the rest of the old farts still employed? Yeah, we're all naïve. :rolleyes:

[rabbit]

I found it here: http://www.speedtv.com/commentary/35734/

[Opposite Lock]

I found it here: http://www.speedtv.com/commentary/35734/

Sanitized for your protection! :thumbup:

see the originally posted version for comparison, captured above. ^^^

a few things were stricken from the record.

[formulaben]

I can't wait to watch skits and night-on-the-town kind of stuff. Who wouldn't want to see Champ Car drivers forced to play pool at a bar or dress in funny costumes? I mean come on, that's ENTERTAINMENT! Now, maybe if they did "street" interviews like "Guess Who I Am" that would be worth a chuckle.

I think their "video budget" should be pulled and put back into their non-existent marketing department budget.

Oh and just who exactly "likes" YouTube? It's a service for video hosting. It's not chocholate ice cream or BMW.
I'd rather them go after people who "like" fast cars, autoracing, techie crap, knowaddamean? Or how 'bout this? Maybe they go after the millions of fans that have stopped watching them on TV?

I hope they put Katherine in a skit. She's a riot!

"Guess Who I Am"...:rofl:

Robin, is that you?!

[Opposite Lock]

Oh and just who exactly "likes" YouTube? It's a service for video hosting.


I love lamp.

[chop456]

[I]As some of you may know and I have alluded to this, the video content page on Champ Car’s website will take a dramatically expanded role. As it should. Right now we’re looking to have a huge influx of content, varying from interviews, daily reports, tech features, lighter-side skits, night-on-the-town kind of stuff, whatever we can think of we can try. We have a budget this year and it should be great.



Here's a suggestion:

I'd like to be able to view the basic, front-paged videos without registering. I don't like registering for things and neither does anyone else, I'm guessing. Make the two or three most recent news stories and upcoming race promos available to the public at large. Require registration for the in-depth, behind the scenes stuff that only the hard core fan is interested in.

If I was a prospective fan and just wanted to see a video from the front page to see what the series was about, there's NFW I'd register, and I probably wouldn't return having gone through that.

[pchall]

nascar channel paid RM therefore I don't read to much in to it, as those of you that like RM and his statement you have your irl. I'm Champcar fan and my money and I will show up at Champcar race.

With Miller its always about Indy.

[audi quattro]

This PC stuff wastes so much time and money.
No wonder no one can fix anything.
Robin for President!!!!

[RTKar]

That new Malone kid's got moxie.

Moxie is swell :cool:

Indianapolis = company town

Even NASCAR took heed when Hinton wrote about safety issues after Earnhardts death. What does CC do? Fires one of the best motorsports writers in the country :shakehead

Remember, the pen is mightier than the sword.

[rabbit]

You know, it's one thing to fire a guy for spreading misinformation. But to fire a guy for saying something, then tell everybody he was wrong and "just you wait," then never deliver is just pathetic.

Robin Miller was right. He was right in 1995. He was right in 2003. He was right in February 2007.

[Opposite Lock]

Even NASCAR took heed when Hinton wrote about safety issues after Earnhardts death. What does CC do? Fires one of the best motorsports writers in the country :shakehead

Remember, the pen is mightier than the sword.

see also: Dr. Stephen Olvey.

[RTKar]

see also: Dr. Stephen Olvey.

His book was excellent.