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pchall
05-16-07, 10:16 PM
Per Tony Cotman in a David Phillips article at SPEEDtv.com:


“We’re looking at some oil pressure drop outs – with Cosworth – when the car experiences negative vertical g-forces. We’ve sent parts over to Cosworth and Team Australia is testing this week at Mid-Ohio, which is notoriously bad for that."


It would be very interesting if Team Australia released testing times so we could compare them with the Lola in 2003 and, of course, with the Dallara/Honda when M-O is defiled later this summer.

KLang
05-17-07, 06:43 AM
From AR1:


Pagenaud again exhibited the pace and potential of both he and the new-for-2007 DP01 Champ Car, going quicker than the 2003 pole time of 1:07.058 set by Paul Tracy at the last Champ Car event staged at the circuit as the Frenchman set a best lap time of 1:06.28.

Spicoli
05-17-07, 07:27 AM
we are faster:


:thumbup:



:gomer: gonna be pizzed.

chop456
05-17-07, 07:31 AM
I thnk the RS Spyder will be a more worthwhile comparison for the :gomer:mobiles.

pchall
05-17-07, 09:58 AM
I thnk the RS Spyder will be a more worthwhile comparison for the :gomer:mobiles.

2006 ALMS Qualifying

1. Maassen/Luhr Penske Porsche RS Spyder 1m 12.815s*
2. McNish/Capello ASNA Audi R8 1m 12.975s

opinionated ow
05-17-07, 10:21 AM
most of that time would be down to tyres I think. not saying pagenaud is crap, because he isn't. but most of it has to be down to tyres, I do not believe that the DP-01 is better than the Lola, but much as the lola's times improved post aero freeze due to tyres, I think that is what the difference is between DP01 and B02/30

G.
05-17-07, 10:43 AM
most of that time would be down to tyres I think. not saying pagenaud is crap, because he isn't. but most of it has to be down to tyres, I do not believe that the DP-01 is better than the Lola, but much as the lola's times improved post aero freeze due to tyres, I think that is what the difference is between DP01 and B02/30You would most likely be incredibly wrong. I think.:gomer:

SurfaceUnits
05-17-07, 11:40 AM
CARt strett race loosers record:

Qual Record: Dario Franchitti, 124.394 mph (1:05.347 sec.) - 8/13/99, Gil de Ferran, 124.394 mph (1:05.347 sec.) - 8/11/00

Wheel-Nut
05-17-07, 12:06 PM
CARt strett race loosers record:

Qual Record: Dario Franchitti, 124.394 mph (1:05.347 sec.) - 8/13/99, Gil de Ferran, 124.394 mph (1:05.347 sec.) - 8/11/00

Weren't these set in the beloved Reynard / Honda / Firestone package?

Insomniac
05-17-07, 12:17 PM
Weren't these set in the beloved Reynard / Honda / Firestone package?

Yup. And de Ferran's time was in the Reynske chassis.

Insomniac
05-17-07, 12:19 PM
most of that time would be down to tyres I think. not saying pagenaud is crap, because he isn't. but most of it has to be down to tyres, I do not believe that the DP-01 is better than the Lola, but much as the lola's times improved post aero freeze due to tyres, I think that is what the difference is between DP01 and B02/30

If you go by what Bourdais was saying, the DP01 is faster. It will show on smoother tracks as opposed to the bumpier ones because the shocks can't be developed like the Lola's.

extramundane
05-17-07, 12:20 PM
You would most likely be incredibly wrong. I think.:gomer:

Especially since (AFAIK) there's no such creature as a Lola B02/30, and even if there is, it would be an F3 chassis. :gomer:

SurfaceUnits
05-17-07, 12:20 PM
And Bourdais just bested the Portland record by >1/2 second

Portland:
Qualifying Record: Helio Castroneves, 122.768 mph (57.738 sec.) - 6/24/00

Sebastien Bourdais (#1 McDonald's Cosworth/DP01/Bridgestone) 57.18 - 5/1/07

datachicane
05-17-07, 03:10 PM
And Bourdais just bested the Portland record by >1/2 second


To be fair, the festival curves were dramatically reconfigured in late 2005- much wider and faster than before.

Whether or not it's enough to chop times by .558, I won't hazard a guess, but it's certainly within the realm of possibility.

SurfaceUnits
05-17-07, 05:43 PM
Portland
2003: Paul Tracy 58.793
2004: Sebastien Bourdais 59.229
2005: Justin Wilson 57.808
2006: Bruno Junqueira 57.631

oddlycalm
05-17-07, 06:57 PM
And Bourdais just bested the Portland record by >1/2 second

Portland:
Qualifying Record: Helio Castroneves, 122.768 mph (57.738 sec.) - 6/24/00

Sebastien Bourdais (#1 McDonald's Cosworth/DP01/Bridgestone) 57.18 - 5/1/07 As your subsequent post demonstrates the DP01 is a half second faster than last year's Lola on the same tires at Portland with the current track configuration.

We can also guess that the non-rev limited Lola from 2000 on that era's tires would probably run around 55.50 on the current track configuration.

oc

pchall
05-17-07, 08:31 PM
Weren't these set in the beloved Reynard / Honda / Firestone package?

Gil de Ferran was in the Reynske in 2000 and probably had at least 150 HP more available than Pagenaud in the DP01.

rabbit
05-18-07, 12:10 AM
Gil de Ferran was in the Reynske in 2000 and probably had at least 150 HP more available than Pagenaud in the DP01.
Not to mention traction control. I was down inside the right hander leading into Thunder Alley during that race and his and Gaylio's engines sounded like they had the farts as they got on the accelerator.

Wheel-Nut
05-18-07, 09:24 AM
so the DP-01 with circa 1999 engines would be a real contender? :thumbup:

SurfaceUnits
05-18-07, 10:00 AM
As your subsequent post demonstrates the DP01 is a half second faster than last year's Lola on the same tires at Portland with the current track configuration.

We can also guess that the non-rev limited Lola from 2000 on that era's tires would probably run around 55.50 on the current track configuration.

ocI'll give you 56.2, but not 2.2 seconds