View Full Version : Gurney + Fogarty = teh winz
FCYTravis
08-11-07, 08:53 AM
Alex and Jon put the hurt on the field again Friday at Watkins Glen - leading essentially flag-to-flag from Jon's sixth consecutive pole. That's their series-record-tying sixth of the season, four more than anyone else - and yet they're STILL four points out of the title lead. Stupid NASCAResque points system :saywhat: :thumdown:
Two more races. We'd like to win them both - that would assure us the championship.
Accipiter
08-11-07, 10:32 AM
By any sane point system that actually rewards winners, you guys would be in the lead, but you wouldn't be running away with it.
A Grand-Am win. Woot! That is as impressive as me beating a short bus with my amazing Ford Escort. :thumdown:
Congrats Travis. As much as the the close racing is a nice feature, sometimes I stop and think if fans are selling themselves short. Nascaresque is the word.
I googled this, the 2002 Daytona 24,:shakehead
http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/Daytona-2002-02-03-photo.html
A Grand-Am win. Woot! That is as impressive as me beating a short bus with my amazing Ford Escort. :thumdown:
Yeah, beating Scott Pruett, Max Angelelli, Pat Long, Jorg Bergmeister, Memo Gidley, Jan Magnussen, Marc Goossens and Bill Auberlen (with an anchor) is nothing to be proud of. The spec may not be the sexiest but to denigrate their performance in a largely talented (and funded) field is ignorant.
Two more races. We'd like to win them both - that would assure us the championship.
Look forward to that press release. :thumbup:
Yeah, beating Scott Pruett, Max Angelelli, Pat Long, Jorg Bergmeister, Memo Gidley, Jan Magnussen, Marc Goossens and Bill Auberlen (with an anchor) is nothing to be proud of. The spec may not be the sexiest but to denigrate their performance in a largely talented (and funded) field is ignorant.
Tell ya what. Ask any of those drivers where they would like to be. Driving an Audi R10, Porsche Spyder or one of the Acura LMP2's or a scrubbing bubble (thanks nrc!). Bet you one year's salary that every one of those drivers you mentioned would take a pay cut to drive one of the LMP1's or 2's. Bank on it.
cameraman
08-13-07, 06:45 PM
Tell ya what. Ask any of those drivers where they would like to be. Driving an Audi R10, Porsche Spyder or one of the Acura LMP2's or a scrubbing bubble (thanks nrc!). Bet you one year's salary that every one of those drivers you mentioned would take a pay cut to drive one of the LMP1's or 2's. Bank on it.
And every CCWS driver would take a McLaren ride in a heart beat therefore winning a ccws race doesn't matter? Whatever:rolleyes:
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jonovision_man
08-13-07, 07:45 PM
Tell ya what. Ask any of those drivers where they would like to be. Driving an Audi R10, Porsche Spyder or one of the Acura LMP2's or a scrubbing bubble (thanks nrc!). Bet you one year's salary that every one of those drivers you mentioned would take a pay cut to drive one of the LMP1's or 2's. Bank on it.
Doesn't change the fact that beating them regularly is at least somewhat impressive. Especially in relatively equal equipment (compared to ALMS anyway).
I love ALMS, the cars are so much cooler. But Grand Am has found a way to get a full field out every time they race, and the Rolex24 is incredible, there's no field quite like it in US motorsport.
Yes, they're ugly.
jono
extramundane
08-13-07, 07:58 PM
Bet you one year's salary that every one of those drivers you mentioned would take a pay cut to drive one of the LMP1's or 2's. Bank on it.
Moot point, since you can't get paid driving an LMP unless you're on the factory teet. I don't like GA, but at least non-factory drivers can get paid there.
FCYTravis
08-13-07, 08:51 PM
Bet you one year's salary that every one of those drivers you mentioned would take a pay cut to drive one of the LMP1's or 2's. Bank on it.
Bet you one year's salary that they wouldn't. Alex and Jon are both married with young children. They're supporting their families by race driving - not out for a lark bankrolled by daddy.
Furthermore, they're both driving a competitive car which has a strong chance to win any given race. Unless you're in an Audi P1 or a Penske P2, you have no chance at all in the ALMS. Why would they want to putter around the back, serving as little more than lap traffic for the factories?
Sean O'Gorman
08-13-07, 09:23 PM
Why would they want to putter around the back, serving as little more than lap traffic for the factories?
So they can admire the diverse high-tech machinery as it laps them. :gomer:
extramundane
08-13-07, 09:51 PM
Unless you're in a Gainsco Riley, Suntrust Riley or Ganassi Riley, you have no chance at all in the Grand-Am.
Fix0r3d.
:D
FCYTravis
08-13-07, 10:24 PM
Those pesky Alex Job guys managed to pull one off at Laguna Seca, though... they have had absolutely atrocious luck since then. And MATT ALHADEFF, PRO RACING DRIVER EXTRAORDINAIRE won at Homestead...
But yeah, since then, it's been just about all us. :laugh:
Starts: 1, 2, 2, 2, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1
Finishes: 22, 1, 11, 5, 6, 1, 1, 1, 3, 1, 3, 1
Tell ya what. Ask any of those drivers where they would like to be. Driving an Audi R10, Porsche Spyder or one of the Acura LMP2's or a scrubbing bubble (thanks nrc!). Bet you one year's salary that every one of those drivers you mentioned would take a pay cut to drive one of the LMP1's or 2's. Bank on it.
That has nothing to do with my point and is most likely wrong anyway. The drivers I know who are still active look at or are in Grand-Am for earning a living, ALMS is an afterthought, something that would be nice to do if an unlikely paid drive became available and could be dovetailed in with their main ride.
Do you think Terry Borcheller would rather be in a DP or sharing a 911 with Tim Pappas? I prefer ALMS but I can recognize that Grand Am has a deeper field and is certainly more competitive whether or not the Riley gives me a boner.
But yeah, since then, it's been just about all us.
me,,, me,,, me,,, :p
Spicoli
08-14-07, 12:15 PM
That has nothing to do with my point and is most likely wrong anyway. The drivers I know who are still active look at or are in Grand-Am for earning a living, ALMS is an afterthought, something that would be nice to do if an unlikely paid drive became available and could be dovetailed in with their main ride.
Do you think Terry Borcheller would rather be in a DP or sharing a 911 with Tim Pappas? I prefer ALMS but I can recognize that Grand Am has a deeper field and is certainly more competitive whether or not the Riley gives me a boner.
me,,, me,,, me,,, :p
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That, sir, is an infraction of serious magnitude. consider yourself banneded.:rofl:
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That, sir, is an infraction of serious magnitude. consider yourself banneded.:rofl:
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Hey, there has to be some Little Children of the Poor/Retirement Home road course rubbin' and racin' someplace. The France Mafia knows how to do that kind of thing -- remember, they took care of Michael Waltrip when he was still 0-for-300 in NASCRAP starts. Gurney the Lesser and Fogarty the Who Knows What are a couple of lucky smucks since will both cash checks for faking it the rest of their careers. Who shows up first at Watkins Glen or Sonoma as a "road course specialist"?
extramundane
08-14-07, 02:31 PM
Leave it to a guy who has never raced before to determine that Fogarty and Gurner are hacks... :rolleyes:
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I must say, one of the good things about Grand-Am being a niche series
Just wanted to save this for future reference.
Sean O'Gorman
08-14-07, 04:17 PM
I know I've never raced, but what I have experienced in autocrossing and through friends of mine who club race, is enough for me to know that pro racing is terribly difficult stuff and alot of you look like fools by making it sound easy.
And FTG, Grand-Am's niche is wealthy privateer owners and non-factory supported pro teams. Care to finally explain what Champ Car's niche is?
extramundane
08-14-07, 04:44 PM
,,,,,me me me,,,,, me me me,,,,,
<crickets chirp>
Opposite Lock
08-14-07, 04:52 PM
Care to finally explain what Champ Car's niche is?
Beach volleyball. Duh.
Care to finally explain what Champ Car's niche is?
Ask Steve Johnson. I'm sure he can give you a clear, well articulated....................um................. ...sorry, never mind.
Alex and Jon put the hurt on the field again Friday at Watkins Glen - leading essentially flag-to-flag from Jon's sixth consecutive pole. That's their series-record-tying sixth of the season, four more than anyone else - and yet they're STILL four points out of the title lead. Stupid NASCAResque points system :saywhat: :thumdown:
Two more races. We'd like to win them both - that would assure us the championship.
Congratulation to both Alex, Jon and to the team. Good luck with the last two races. :thumbup:
Leave it to a guy who has never raced before to determine that Fogarty and Gurner are hacks... :rolleyes:
Obviously you never listened to anything I mentioned to you when you were a snot nosed seventeen year old hanging around at M-O.
I know a hack. I figured out I was a hack in the late 70s and chose my lifetime profession instead of pursuing futility. I think that makes me qualified. What do you think, conebasher?
Hey I stayed out of this one:D
That Max guy is a hack. He should be driving a black number 3
Andrew Longman
08-14-07, 10:27 PM
I was there Friday with the boys and about 12 other people.
Foggy and Gurney had everyone completely covered. Maybe it was the set up and maybe they had 100 extra HP but it looked like they just drove the wheels off it. The race for p2-5 was pretty entertaining though.
FCYTravis
08-15-07, 01:37 AM
I was there Friday with the boys and about 12 other people.
Shoulda stopped by and said hello... I'm always good for some team swag or something :)
And FTG, Grand-Am's niche is wealthy privateer owners and non-factory supported pro teams. Care to finally explain what Champ Car's niche is?
Whatever it is, I like it and ain't going to stop liking it just because someone types ",,,,,,,,."
Andrew Longman
08-15-07, 08:18 AM
Shoulda stopped by and said hello... I'm always good for some team swag or something :)
Didn't think of it but should have. See you next year. :)
Racing Truth
08-15-07, 02:54 PM
Whatever it is, I like it and ain't going to stop liking it just because someone types ",,,,,,,,."
No, no, no! That is called a deflection. If you can't even point to what CC's niche is, then that says quite a bit. Tells me they are rudderless and have no raison d'etre.
I'm no Grand Am fan, but I've seen Jon Fogarty drive a racecar more than a few times from the seat of my own racecar. The guy has a huge amount of natural ability, a racer's mind, and he knows how to win.
There's a reason he acquitted himself well against Ricardo Zonta & Sebastien Bourdais at the Newman-Haas test awhile ago.
cameraman
08-15-07, 03:22 PM
If you can't even point to what CC's niche is, then that says quite a bit.
All forms of racing are niche sports. NASCAR would be over the moon if 10% of the US population cared about it. The fact is >90% of the US population don't give a damn about any kind of cars/bikes going in various forms of circles. CC's niche is the people that like it, the same for goes IRL, ALMS, Grand AM, funny cars and lawnmowers.
moto isn't niche in spain or italy, f1 isn't niche in germany or england
cameraman
08-15-07, 04:34 PM
True but we are referring to the United States. I'm not waiting for cricket to sweep the nation anytime soon.
Dr. Corkski
08-15-07, 05:26 PM
I know a hack. I figured out I was a hack in the late 70s and chose my lifetime profession instead of pursuing futility. I think that makes me qualified.
Give Legge a break: she's got the talent and the drive.
True but we are referring to the United States. I'm not waiting for cricket to sweep the nation anytime soon.
all things in due time :D
FCYTravis
08-29-07, 02:34 PM
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Yeah, they did it again... from pole, with Gurney making a textbook inside pass for the lead on David Donohue on the second-to-last-lap for the win.
We're one point up in the title fight heading into the last race in two weeks. :)
Man, Gurney and Donohue. My favorite year of Trans Am!:) I didn't want to be the first to post on this race. Glad it was you. I was going to title it "Break Up The Gainsco Team!" (LEFT foot braking, correct?:D)
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