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Hey Boss... NOBODY is denying the hurt people feel...
Its only the *HOPE* that American Open Wheel will some day be Fantastic again.
I think it's foolish to reward stupidity in the hope that something will change. I hope as much as anyone that someday it will get better. That doesn't obligate me to support it in the mean time.
I don't get it...
But you ARE supporting it ...
Right now by giving opinions.....
Oh well...... huge complexity....
God Bless all and Openwheel..
RHR_Fan
02-24-08, 06:11 PM
Hey Spikkly maybe you should post some of that pr0n. It's feeling almost like a meltdown...:rofl: :\
I don't get it...
But you ARE supporting it ...
Right now by giving opinions.....
Oh well...... huge complexity....
God Bless all and Openwheel..
Are you saying that the only way we can decline to support the IRL is to ban discussion of it entirely? That's nonsense. We permit discussion of Grand Am and NASCAR and we're certainly no supporters of those series.
Methanolandbrats
02-24-08, 06:58 PM
I'll try to explain it another way. If I wanted to watch *****ty, contrived oval racing, I'd be watching NASCAR now. The IRL is the same thing, only the fenders are hacked off.
Hard Driver
02-24-08, 07:05 PM
I'll watch F1 with all the passion I have for decades.
I'll start to watch ALMS more closely and have set my Tivo.
I used to completely ignore the IRL, now I probably will watch the highlights recorded on "the speed report". I may even watch a road course or two, like Mid Ohio... But this will be far lower down my interst list. I certainly will not go to any events or buy any merchandise just because I won't give any $$ directly to FTG.
However, if open wheel racing has a chance in the US, one series is needed. Now I don't like the IRL and Tony George winning the war like they have, but it may end up the only thing that keeps open wheel alive. Sponsors did not want to piss off those that were loyal to the "other" series. Now with one series, the negatives of sponsorship are much, lower. The Indy 500 has always been a draw and if you notice, the IRL is where the paying sponsors are, just because of that. And with new hype that the combined racing of Champcar and IRL teams battlin git out, it will attract sponsors that were not interested before.
Overall, it was inevitable that someone would win. And the lesson to be learned is that the Indy 500 was strong enough to take a massive beating for over a decade and still provide ehough strength for the IRL to win.
Andrew Longman
02-24-08, 07:14 PM
And the lesson to be learned is that the Indy 500 was strong enough to take a massive beating for over a decade and still provide ehough strength for the IRL to win.
Or maybe it is the strength of the BY400 and F1 (cycle) races and property values of IMS that helped fund this fiasco
Methanolandbrats
02-24-08, 07:17 PM
Or maybe it is the strength of the BY400 and F1 (cycle) races and property values of IMS that helped fund this fiasco
Or maybe the guys running Champ Car f***ked up.
Methanolandbrats
02-24-08, 07:21 PM
I'm with ya! :thumbup:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44042000/jpg/_44042323_lewis416gt_aus.jpg
Unless Mélanie Doutey does a series of 7:30 AM Sunday morning home invasions on my property, wearing a cheerleader uniform and carrying multiple cans of whipped cream, I vow not to miss one second of one lap of any... F1 race! :cool:
That first practice session can't come soon enough.:thumbup:
Overall, it was inevitable that someone would win. And the lesson to be learned is that the Indy 500 was strong enough to take a massive beating for over a decade and still provide enough strength for the IRL to win.
It was not just the 500, the 400 payed for the IRL. It`s the speedway itself that had the resources to win all along.
As for the formula, I always thought that switching it in 1997 was to spite CART, no matter how crappy it was.
Anybody who is happy about this year should probably just watch NASCAR and leave the rest of us to bitch.... so we can actually improve Tony`s abortion.
:HATE: :D
miatanut
02-24-08, 07:47 PM
I think it's foolish to reward stupidity in the hope that something will change. I hope as much as anyone that someday it will get better. That doesn't obligate me to support it in the mean time.
:thumbup:
Are you saying that the only way we can decline to support the IRL is to ban discussion of it entirely? That's nonsense. We permit discussion of Grand Am and NASCAR and we're certainly no supporters of those series.
no no no...I didn't say that at all....
Was just racheting on the Theme (title) of this thread...
Chiphead_Dave
02-24-08, 08:44 PM
That is a bet you would probably lose.
I really stopped watching religiously the season before last when
they canceled my home race (Denver)....I had also lost a bunch of
interest when they stopped racing at my favorite track (Laguna).
Everyone talks about how great the on track product is....well it isn't, it is sorely lacking...when a fist fight between 2 drivers and/or who will be the newest backmarker ride buyer are the 2 biggest stories of any race or season the product sucks.
Last season I found myself falling asleep on the couch more often than not during races.
I have actually Tivoed some CC races only to delete them months later unwatched.
For me the honeymoon is over and the fat lady is warming up even without the "merger".
On the flip side I have never watched any twIRL races for more than 5 or 6 laps (even the Indy 497.5 that Paul won) even though at multiple times during the years drivers and teams I liked when they were in CC were racing there.
I just can't bring myself to watch those ugly cars with 1trillion pounds of downforce race "wheel to wheel" for lap after lap with the only hope in site for excitement being a wreck.
And I still blame it all on pinhead management/owners that have had their dork measuring contest going on for years now with no end in site.
But I leave my best curse words for the king of the crack babies Toeknee George and his desire to be the biggest retard on the block. The man who brought us 'merikan ;) racers on tracks we didn't care about and allowed Nascab to become the dominant form of North American racing.
Ruben Barrios
02-24-08, 09:52 PM
The notion that you're a "true fan" while others don't get it is the sort of thing for 15 year old Britney fanatics, not "seasoned race fans".
That is exactly what I am responding to... an accusation that I am not a true fan because I will watch...
Next time you want to hop in, catch the previous episodes, not just the last line of the show...
devilmaster
02-24-08, 10:35 PM
That is exactly what I am responding to... an accusation that I am not a true fan because I will watch...
In a thread where the first post accused the exact opposite - that those who choose not to watch are not true fans.... :shakehead
A pointless thread IMHO.
If you want to watch, fine. If you don't want to watch, fine.
To each his/her own.
Blow the thread up.
Sean Malone
02-24-08, 10:41 PM
That is exactly what I am responding to... an accusation that I am not a true fan because I will watch...
Next time you want to hop in, catch the previous episodes, not just the last line of the show...
BS. You and OW came in here telling everyone that we are all haters because we don't want to jump right bed with Tony on day one, tossing around accusations and presuming things.
Both of you have been put in your place numerous times in this thread. Maybe you'll have better luck at the next forum.
Almost all here, even nrc, have said that if certain things change over the upcoming years they possible could regain an interest. What more do you want? Seriously.
no no no...I didn't say that at all....
Was just racheting on the Theme (title) of this thread...
This thread, or this forum for that matter, don't need any ratcheting right now.
That is exactly what I am responding to... an accusation that I am not a true fan because I will watch...
Next time you want to hop in, catch the previous episodes, not just the last line of the show...
Nonsense. There were exactly 10 posts prior to your declaration of true fandom and not one of them made any such claim.
I'm giving you the benefit of doubt. Maybe you're reacting to some perceived slight in some other thread. But for someone who claims to have a positive attitude in life you seem to make a habit of showing up here when you feel like being a jerk. We don't have the patience for it right now so cut it out, "Francis".
BS. You and OW came in here telling everyone that we are all haters because we don't want to jump right bed with Tony on day one, tossing around accusations and presuming things.
In a thread where the first post accused the exact opposite - that those who choose not to watch are not true fans.... :shakehead
A pointless thread IMHO.
I think you two have summed it up nicely. We allowed this useless crap thread because we didn't want to give the impression that champ car fans who want the follow the new series won't be welcome here. But those same fans can't expect to make statements like these and then cry oppression when others respectfully disagree.
Obviously we have a challenge ahead of us. :irked:
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