When does Bourdais get canned?

[Wheel-Nut]

2 more races? Does he make the season finally?

[patski]

2 more races? Does he make the season finally?

That would make no sense!

[Fio1]

2 more races? Does he make the season finally?

Only if Danica is available!

[Easy]

Berger hand picked him so he has a little bit of leeway to get things right but if Vettel keeps putting him in the shade and Bourdais keeps wadding up STR3s he won't see the end of the year, especially with Didi Mateschitz leaving Berger holding the bag at STR and plenty of wealthy pay drivers waiting in the wings.

[Insomniac]

They've both had good and bad races. And they've both outqualified each other. I don't think Bourdais is going anywhere. On a related note, how can they have the Red Bull chassis? Isn't that essentially a customer car?

[cameraman]

Quite the bunch of haters here.

Bourdais finished 7th but he was in 4th when the car died in Australia.
Vettel DNF

Bourdais spun out in Malaysia
Vettel's car died

Bourdais out qualified Vettel & finished 15th in Bahrain
Vettel crashed out.

Bourdais out qualified Vettel before colliding with Piquet in Spain
Vettel collided with Sutil

Vettel out qualified Bourdais and finished 17th in Turkey
Bourdais' rear suspension failed sending him off.

Bourdais out qualified Vettel in Monaco before colliding with DC
Vettel finished 5th

Vettel hasn't been doing any better. Both were hampered with an old chassis up until this weekend. There have been six races and they have split the qualifiying runs.

[morgahorse]

Speed was out doing Vettel until he got canned.

[Andrew Longman]

I agree with Camerman's assessment. I think SB will stick around. Next year? Isn't the whole team going away next year or is that in 2010?

BTW, I still haven't figured out how SB collected DC. The racing line is to the left. Did he move right to avoid some perceived sudden clusterfub in front of him and wound up driving into it instead?

[dando]

Quite the bunch of haters here.


PT fans. :gomer: ;)

-Kevin

[cameraman]

Bourdais said that he lifted suddenly when he saw the yellow flag in front of him.
That slowed the rear wheels suddenly and it was off to the wall.

[STD]

Todt's son holds the cards.

[rosawendel]

Speed was out doing Vettel until he got canned.

speed was also spouting a lot of 'tude, if i recall.

[cameraman]

Speed was out doing Vettel until he got canned.

And Bourdais is getting good reviews for his technical feedback, the same could not be said for Speed.

[TravelGal]

And Bourdais is getting good reviews for his technical feedback, the same could not be said for Speed.

Wonder if he recorded them under yellow? :rofl::rofl:

Sorry but that one was too easy.

[Wally]

[QUOTE=
BTW, I still haven't figured out how SB collected DC. The racing line is to the left. Did he move right to avoid some perceived sudden clusterfub in front of him and wound up driving into it instead?[/QUOTE]


So was that a schamozel or a shunt? Or were they both just deranged?
I get so confused.....:confused:

[dando]

BTW, I still haven't figured out how SB collected DC. The racing line is to the left. Did he move right to avoid some perceived sudden clusterfub in front of him and wound up driving into it instead?

I'm watching the replay now, but you can't really see SeaBass before he hit DC. My guess is that the conditions sent all three of them into the same wall. Alonso went first, followed by DC and then Frogger....all three w/in a minute or less.

-Kevin

[emjaya]

The rain put a puddle or a river across the track that caught out DC and he just aqua-planned into the wall.

And as Cameraman said, Bourdais lifted when he saw the yellow flag in front of him and that locked his rear wheels on the same puddle and it was off to the wall and into DC.

[RTKar]

They'll keep him, he's not American plus F1 needs a French driver.

[Accipiter]

What Cameraman said. It's not like he's Piquet Jr. or anything.

[Easy]

Speed wasn't outperforming Vettel, he was replaced by Vettel.

And yes, Speed is a world class douche which didn't help his cause at STR. Neither did his crashing.

[extramundane]

Speed wasn't outperforming Vettel, he was replaced by Vettel.

And there's the fact that Vettel showed pretty well when he subbed for Kubicamania too. I'm not sure Speed would have finished the race, let alone scored points, were he in the BMW.


And yes, Speed is a world class douche which didn't help his cause at STR. Neither did his crashing.

That's ARCA-Winning world class douche to you, sir.

[cameraman]

That's ARCA-Winning world class douche to you, sir.

That has to be pissing people off.:rofl:

[pchall]

The obvious thing would be to can Bourdais after Magny-Cours, but I think he lasts until the end of the European rounds for the season -- the Italian GP in September. After that Torro Rosso pimps the seat to some suitably well-funded Asian driver for three rounds and then puts up the Rent-a-Wreck signs wherever the Brazillionaires hang out in Sao Paolo.

[cameraman]

The obvious thing would be to can Bourdais after Magny-Cours, but I think he lasts until the end of the European rounds for the season -- the Italian GP in September. After that Torro Rosso pimps the seat to some suitably well-funded Asian driver for three rounds and then puts up the Rent-a-Wreck signs wherever the Brazillionaires hang out in Sao Paolo.

You're a very bitter old man:rofl:

[pchall]

bitter cynical realistic take your choice


You're a very bitter old man:rofl:

[cameraman]

bitter cynical realistic take your choice

D. All of the above

[extramundane]

That's ARCA-Winning world class douche to you, sir.

'Scuse me, that's ARCA and Pickemuptruck-Winning World Class Douche. His blue-toenailed pedicure oughta really endear him to the legions of fans. :rofl:

[Easy]

'Scuse me, that's ARCA and Pickemuptruck-Winning World Class Douche. His blue-toenailed pedicure oughta really endear him to the legions of fans. :rofl:

He should be a fan favorite right up there with fellow short track legends Casey Mears, Hideo Fukuyama and Klaus Graf.

[Gnam]

Rough weekend for Seabass. Admitting you quit on the race while your teammate scores points from dead last may not be the best career move. :p

http://www.itv-f1.com/news_article.aspx?id=42952

[oddlycalm]

Rough weekend for Seabass. Admitting you quit on the race while your teammate scores points from dead last may not be the best career move. :p
Neither is waiving your fist at the crew to hurry up...

oc

[Sean Malone]

Neither is waiving your fist at the crew to hurry up...

oc

Yep. Quickly heading down the 'what ever happened to' path. A shame considering what a mark he left on ChampCar.

[cameraman]

He doesn't handle frustration particularly well, he never has.

He will either learn to deal or he will disappear.

[Insomniac]

Neither is waiving your fist at the crew to hurry up...

oc

I thought he was doing that because the lollipop guy couldn't make up his mind.

[SteveH]

Sebastian's shelf life in F1 is at best short due to his age. Even if he betters Vettel every time on the track he isn't going to catch that much interest. He should have a fine career after F1 in LMS. In fact, there's a French manufacturer that's coming on strong. I'm happy he got his shot at F1, if only for a year or two.

[Gnam]

Doesn't look good for Seabass.

You're only as good as your last race, and he tossed away another good qualifying effort by dicing with Sutil at the beginning of the front straight instead of at the end.

Vettel one step from the podium isn't going to help matters either.

[trish]

It's too bad they don't have the decency to tell Sebastien his status with the team in time for him to make other arrangements if needed.

[Michaelhatesfans]

It's too bad they don't have the decency to tell Sebastien his status with the team in time for him to make other arrangements if needed.

That's old school F1. "We think you suck. But just in case we're wrong, we don't want you driving for a competitor and making us look bad."

[ilferrari]

Depends on the extent to which STR think Vettel is a great, WDC-material driver. If they do, then Bourdais held up pretty well against him in the second half of the season.

[pchall]

Depends on the extent to which STR think Vettel is a great, WDC-material driver. If they do, then Bourdais held up pretty well against him in the second half of the season.

If Seabass gets punted I think he's shown well enough to get another seat elsewhere. If not, Peugeot would be crazy not to put him in a Pug 908 all season in 2009.

[Insomniac]

I'm hopeful they keep him. Vettel is moving to RBR. Bourdais now knows all the tracks. It would be helpful to avoid two new drivers.

[Rogue Leader]

I'm hopeful they keep him. Vettel is moving to RBR. Bourdais now knows all the tracks. It would be helpful to avoid two new drivers.

If I were Vettel I'd ask to stay with STR! The car got better as the year progressed!

[Gnam]

Gotta like Bourdais' honesty about his position. None of the F1 doublespeak, he just lays it out.


Q: How sure are you of staying with Toro Rosso?
SB: Absolutely not at all.
:laugh:

Bourdais' interview with F1.com: http://www.formula1.com/news/interviews/2008/11/8728.html

Short story about the interview with F1.com: http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?id=44643

[pchall]

Those quotes are a breath of fresh air that I haven't had from an F1 driver interview in ages. Here's hoping SB gets to keep his seat for 2009.

[Sean Malone]

Those quotes are a breath of fresh air that I haven't had from an F1 driver interview in ages. Here's hoping SB gets to keep his seat for 2009.

Me too. He's too much of a proven talent to fall prey to the US curse or VettleMania.

[oddlycalm]

Those quotes are a breath of fresh air that I haven't had from an F1 driver interview in ages. Here's hoping SB gets to keep his seat for 2009.
Agreed, and I think his total lack of BS is a valuable asset for Bourdais.

oc

[High Sided]

they are trying hard to replace him, montoya said no thanks.

http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-montoya-said-no-to-comeback-offers/

[Sean Malone]

Montoya is still racing? :gomer:

[Easy]

I'd say Bourdais is toast. Berger sold his half back to Didi.


HYPERLINK TO CORROBORATING INFORMATION (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/72252)

[oddlycalm]

I'd say Bourdais is toast. Berger sold his half back to Didi.
Too bad, it was a good season for STR. Berger is an asshat but I can understand not wanting to be stuck in an uncompetitive situation.

oc

[Gnam]

More testing for Bourdais and friends.
http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=315508

If sponsorship opportunties continue to dry up, could Bourdais win out by being the low bidder?

If all else fails, he should push the KK/Cosworth connection.

[NismoZ]

Buemi and Sato 1-2 again on day 3, looks like Bourdais didn't even run? Might be a message in there somewhere.

[ilferrari]

Sato has a long history of sucking against every (not-so-great) teammate he's been paired with. Unlucky for Bourdais that Sato is carrying more sponsor money.

[TedN]

The French manufacturer PSA, selling cars under the names Peugeot and Citroen, has reportedly expressed interest in buying Honda's beleaguered Formula One team.

It is suggested that Sebastien Bourdais, the French F1 driver whose Toro Rosso seat is in doubt for 2009, would be part of a PSA buyout, with Jenson Button as his team-mate.

Source (http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/081215090422.shtml)

Ted

[opinionated ow]

Source (http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/081215090422.shtml)

Ted

That's like a wet dream!

[emjaya]

That's like a wet dream!

Why?

[opinionated ow]

Why?

Very large family obsession with PSA

[Andrew Longman]

Very large family obsession with PSA

I good friend of mine bought a Peugeot as a college student many years ago. He and his to be wife thought driving a Peugeot about Bloomington to be a quirky thing to do.

Since then they have collected and restored I think 18 vintage Peugeots and have built a barn to house them all.

I always have needled him that French engineering is an oxymoron but he just calls it distinctive. ;)

[Methanolandbrats]

I good friend of mine bought a Peugeot as a college student many years ago. He and his to be wife thought driving a Peugeot about Bloomington to be a quirky thing to do.

Since then they have collected and restored I think 18 vintage Peugeots and have built a barn to house them all.

I always have needled him that French engineering is an oxymoron but he just calls it distinctive. ;)

The definition of passion is restoring 18 cars that are still worthless after all that work :gomer:

[Insomniac]

Source (http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/081215090422.shtml)

Ted

Can't they just let Button fall into obscurity? Save some money and hire an F3 driver.

[Gnam]

Smokin' :p

http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/1990/85peugeotemblemgrilleow8.jpg

I have fond memories of a 505 fumigating the neighborhood.

[extramundane]

I always have needled him that French engineering is an oxymoron but he just calls it distinctive. ;)

My best friend in high school drove a '83 505 STI. He drove the hell out that thing but it held up well and never needed anything other than regular oil changes, brakes, etc. He sold it before college and I know that as of at least 2003 it was still running just fine. It wasn't exactly a powerhouse of a car (0-60 in whenever it got around to it) and I think the transmission came from the factory with two 2nd gears and no 3rd, but it wasn't the nightmare car that Pugs are made out to be in this country.

[Al Czervik]

My best friend in high school drove a '83 505 STI. He drove the hell out that thing but it held up well and never needed anything other than regular oil changes, brakes, etc. He sold it before college and I know that as of at least 2003 it was still running just fine. It wasn't exactly a powerhouse of a car (0-60 in whenever it got around to it) and I think the transmission came from the factory with two 2nd gears and no 3rd, but it wasn't the nightmare car that Pugs are made out to be in this country.

Two 2nd gears and no 3rd isn't a nightmare?

[extramundane]

Two 2nd gears and no 3rd isn't a nightmare?

I was being a bit facetious, y'know.

[chop456]

I had a rental Peugeot minivan that took both hands to get into 6th gear. As if that wasn't bad enough, the satnav was all in French. ;)

[Methanolandbrats]

I had a rental Peugeot minivan that took both hands to get into 6th gear. ... Did you remember to use the clutch? :gomer:

[Andrew Longman]

My best friend in high school drove a '83 505 STI. He drove the hell out that thing but it held up well and never needed anything other than regular oil changes, brakes, etc. He sold it before college and I know that as of at least 2003 it was still running just fine. It wasn't exactly a powerhouse of a car (0-60 in whenever it got around to it) and I think the transmission came from the factory with two 2nd gears and no 3rd, but it wasn't the nightmare car that Pugs are made out to be in this country.

My friends have a matching pair of 505s about the same circa as their regular cars. They've driven the heck out of them and both are well into six digits mileage wise.

OTOH one of their collector cars has an engine in it from I think a BMW. As I recall nearly all of that model had engines blow early and the standard fix is to replace it with a BMW 4 banger that apparently fits right in.

[chop456]

Did you remember to use the clutch? :gomer:

What is this "clutch" you speak of? :D

[Methanolandbrats]

What is this "clutch" you speak of? :D

It was labeled "resquiller ici avec vous gauche pied au changeese le gears", but since you don't speak French, you did'nt have a chance. :gomer:

[oddlycalm]

They've driven the heck out of them and both are well into six digits mileage wise
Had a friend that had one around the time of the 1973-74 oil embargo. I hired him for a house building job we had in the central Idaho mountains and it never needed anything but oil and tires. Four cylinder engine, four spd on the column. It was our only working radio, and only outside entertainment, so we'd pile in and listen to Mystery Theater most nights. :gomer:

oc

[Gnam]

The French manufacturer PSA, selling cars under the names Peugeot and Citroen, has reportedly expressed interest in buying Honda's beleaguered Formula One team.

Source (http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/081215090422.shtml)

Ted

Jean-Claude says non. oh well...

http://www.crash.net/motorsport/f1/news/172742-0/peugeot_honda_f1_rumours_are_totally_false.html

[Sean Malone]

My dad has a Peugeot story that he breaks out from time to time.... 1963, married for two years and a 6 month baby (my sis) heading from Jersey to Kansas to start a job fresh out of the service. Just enough money in his pocket for gas and diapers driving a French car that he paid $50 just for the purpose of this move. 100 miles out parts were literally falling out from the engine compartment, over heating and making horrible noises he pulled into town just as it died. He has always looked back on it not as junk but as having done it's job getting them to Kansas.

[emjaya]

Very large family obsession with PSA

:)

Up here French cars are driven by either small mustachioed men or a smoking hot babe. :cool:

[TedN]

Don't Do It Sebastien!!


Sebastien Bourdais revealed exclusively to Autosport magazine this week that he is considering a return to racing in North America if he is left without a drive in Formula One next season.

A return to Bourdais' former Newman/Haas team is unlikely with the team struggling to raise sponsorship for a second car. Graham Rahal is expected to stay on with the team and Justin Wilson has already been told he is free to look for other drives.

Link (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/72527)

Ted

[oddlycalm]

Don't Do It Sebastien!!

Ugh. Not many choices out there with F1 testing being curtailed and sponsor and team withdrawls in every series. Seems like sports cars would be better if he could find a ride.

oc

[Insomniac]

If they go forward with 3rd cars, hopefully that'll give Bourdais a chance.

[Gnam]

I would rather see him in NASCAR wreckin' with the Ricky Booby's than in an EARL sled. Just say NON!

[cameraman]

Since he did not say anything beyond a return to "North America" we probably should remember that the ALMS runs in North America.

[High Sided]

I always have needled him that French engineering is an oxymoron but he just calls it distinctive. ;)

Oh My....
"the iMo is an independent study for a future robotic car that was created by Anthony Jannarelly, a French designer with an MA in automotive design at Britain's Coventry University."
http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2008/12/apple-imo-design-proposal-for.html

[Cam]

Oh My....
"the iMo is an independent study for a future robotic car that was created by Anthony Jannarelly, a French designer with an MA in automotive design at Britain's Coventry University."
http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2008/12/apple-imo-design-proposal-for.html

Those wheels will never work. :p

[High Sided]

^:rofl::laugh::rofl:^

[tllips]

He is not on the F1 entry list.

According to Motor Authority (http://www.motorauthority.com/f1/also-us-doors-close-for-bourdais_1873.html) yesterday.

Also not in Penske or Newman-Haas.

:(

[cameraman]

11 Sébastien BUEMI (CH) Scuderia Toro Rosso
12 TBA Scuderia Toro Rosso

They have not decided between Sato or Bourdais yet.

[G.]

They have not decided between Sato or Bourdais yet.

Sounds like they did.

Seabass gets the seat, according to f1live (http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/090122162902.shtml)

[SurfaceUnits]

http://www.scuderiatororosso.com/Team/

[High Sided]

good for seabass :thumbup:

[cameraman]

But, but, but he was going to move up to the IRL:gomer:

[Gnam]

Ferrari confirms! ;)


Moreover, the official website of the Ferrari-powered team is now showing Bourdais and Buemi as the drivers in the 'team' section.

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/22012009/13/bourdais-secure-second-toro-rosso-seat.html
Great news. :thumbup:
Besides, with all the condensing, I don't think the IRL is big enough anymore to handle a PT-Bourdais-Danica battle royal. Versus isn't zoned for that type of eggcitement!

[RHR_Fan]

Ferrari confirms! ;)


Great news. :thumbup:
Besides, with all the condensing, I don't think the IRL is big enough anymore to handle a PT-Bourdais-Danica battle royal. Versus isn't zoned for that type of eggcitement!

Thank God.

~Nicole

[tllips]

Apparently, you have to be named Sebastian in order to drive for Toro Rosso.
:p

[Wheel-Nut]

Good for Seabass. :thumbup:

[Gnam]

How do you make a Frenchman mad? :laugh:

http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=335899&FS=F1


Sebastien Bourdais has reacted furiously to reports that Sunday's German Grand Prix could be his last race in Formula One.

He told the reporters: "If that is the only thing that interests you then I don't have anything to say. Is that clear to everyone?

He's hasn't been this fired up since PT smashed him out of the Miami & Denver GPs. :mad:

[NismoZ]

Well, it's not like he won't be replaced by another "Sebastien." Loeb, perhaps? Huh, "Bourdais remains in the garage" in Q1, P20. I think he already knows something?

[NismoZ]

I hope the race is as entertaining as qualifying!:thumbup: Are they going to screw with this again next season?

[emjaya]

Well, it's not like he won't be replaced by another "Sebastien." Loeb, perhaps? Huh, "Bourdais remains in the garage" in Q1, P20. I think he already knows something?

Loeb's ready.

http://www.f1complete.com/content/view/13418/900/

[G.]

Loeb's ready.

http://www.f1complete.com/content/view/13418/900/

That website ^^^^ is crap.

They haven't updated their "babes" gallery since 2007. How are we to trust them?

:yuck: :thumdown:

[patski]

That website ^^^^ is crap.

They haven't updated their "babes" gallery since 2007. How are we to trust them?

:yuck: :thumdown:

And that is really important!

[NismoZ]

Websites aside, Loeb really does want the shot but some other Euro with a long unpronouncable, unspellable name might get it first. Means he'll probably be World Champ someday!:)

[emjaya]

Is Jaime Alguersuari unpronouncable enough for you?

He's in, according to this (http://www.italiaracing.net/notizia.asp?id=24024&cat=1) website; which, incidentally, does not have a "babes" gallery at all. :gomer:

[opinionated ow]

Is Jaime Alguersuari unpronouncable enough for you?

He's in, according to this (http://www.italiaracing.net/notizia.asp?id=24024&cat=1) website; which, incidentally, does not have a "babes" gallery at all. :gomer:

He's the reigning British Formula 3 Champion...so he's not bad at all.

[NismoZ]

That's the guy. Didn't say BAD, just going to take a lot of getting used to!:D