Apathy Amped, chirp chirp chirp

[Racing Truth]

So argue!

Use facts and stuff. That'd be fun.

That's allowed, AFAIK.

Otherwise, you could look silly.



I'll wait.

PS (edit) - can I change my "status" to "Interweb Loser Amplified". it most probably fits. Too well, I suspect.

I did. By any objective measure, Milwaukee attendance was a)decent and b) up from last year. S-Units tried to use 2007 pre-race track spin to claim there was something funny with the numbers. Objectively, that just didn't wash.

Conversely, Texas attendance was certainly down, not just from '05*, but even last year. The few minutes of the Disney abortion I did watch told me that. Prolly somewhere near 75-80k. Trends suggest that, if its still on the schedule after '09, it wouldn't really be worth it. I think next yrs. will be <70k.

*Gossage is likely a touch disingenuous here though. '05 was post-PrincessMania:gomer: which maybe gave them a 10-15k bump.

[SurfaceUnits]

hahaha those reporters shouldn't use pre-race spin the Sunday morning after the event is over :rolleyes:

and you still can't find a report from 2007 that said only 21,000 were there

[Racing Truth]

1. hahaha those reporters shouldn't use pre-race spin the Sunday morning after the event is over :rolleyes:

2. and you still can't find a report from 2007 that said only 21,000 were there

1. Not quite sure what you're referring to. I'll simply add that a few reporters (esp. local hacks) getting sucked in by track PR? You don't say.

2. Respectfully, maybe that's b/c I have other ways to use my time, even on the intertrons.

[SurfaceUnits]

milwaukee .6

texas .8 with help from nationwide

chirp, chirp

[Sean Malone]

milwaukee .6

texas .8 with help from nationwide

chirp, chirp

Well, Tony said he wanted to be just like CART. :)

I thought Dankles had fans?

[Spicoli]

no one cares, no one is going to care.


tony will **** this up until its dead.

[SurfaceUnits]

I thought Dankles had fans?Scott Pruett isn't one of them, he said she should just shut up :laugh:

[Indy]

Scott Pruett isn't one of them, he said she should just shut up :laugh:

She is just very stupid. She can barely navigate a conversation when she is trying, much less regulate her own behavior to remain a nice person under the pressures she faces.

Big role, tiny brain. Too bad.

[Racing Truth]

milwaukee .6

texas .8 with help from nationwide

chirp, chirp

Curious as to where you got those numbers. The ACTUAL numbers are hideous enough (.8 for Milwaukee and 1.0 for Texas) that there's no need to lower them.

"chirp, chirp" indeed.

[Al Czervik]

She is just very stupid. She can barely navigate a conversation when she is trying, much less regulate her own behavior to remain a nice person under the pressures she faces.

Big role, tiny brain. Too bad.

Well, tiny somethings, anyway.

[SurfaceUnits]

Curious as to where you got those numbers. The ACTUAL numbers are hideous enough (.8 for Milwaukee and 1.0 for Texas) that there's no need to lower them.

"chirp, chirp" indeed.one must look at the final numbers and not dwell on the overnites, by which I'm amaized, you would think the all american oval series would be more poplar in the smaller american markets, but then you wouldn't know the IRl


Pocono Ratings up 27% over 2007: Turner Sports hit the track this past Sunday with the first of it's six 2008 Sprint Cup Summer Series races on Turner Network Television (TNT). TNT's coverage of the Pocono 500 at Pocono Raceway earned a 3.9 US rating, up 27% over last year's coverage on the network. The race was also the top-ranked program for the week on cable among total viewers (6,098,000), households (4,393,000), adults 18-49 (2,780,000) and adults 25-54 (3,271,000).(TNT PR)(6-10-2008)

[Racing Truth]

one must look at the final numbers and not dwell on the overnites, by which I'm amaized, you would think the all american oval series would be more poplar in the smaller american markets, but then you wouldn't know the IRl


Pocono Ratings up 27% over 2007: Turner Sports hit the track this past Sunday with the first of it's six 2008 Sprint Cup Summer Series races on Turner Network Television (TNT). TNT's coverage of the Pocono 500 at Pocono Raceway earned a 3.9 US rating, up 27% over last year's coverage on the network. The race was also the top-ranked program for the week on cable among total viewers (6,098,000), households (4,393,000), adults 18-49 (2,780,000) and adults 25-54 (3,271,000).(TNT PR)(6-10-2008)

Ummm, OK. Solid information there. Of course, you didn't deal with my question...

That said, your first paragraph raises a good points. The IRL is a ratings disaster overall, but most troubling is fhe way it gets hammered in rural markets.

Edit: Pretty sure overnights don't apply to cable, either.

[Corner5]

Ummm, OK. Solid information there. Of course, you didn't deal with my question...

That said, your first paragraph raises a good points. The IRL is a ratings disaster overall, but most troubling is fhe way it gets hammered in rural markets.

Edit: Pretty sure overnights don't apply to cable, either.

Where's the "solid info" that the ratings were a 1? "It's been reported", but from where. Cable rating finals never came out until thursday before, all of a sudden they can get them the next day and we don't know who "they" are. I call bunk, especially with the way the whole race was bungled-


=== ESPN broadcast does disservice to IndyCars ===

By Steve Schwarz, Motorsports Editor

Philadelphia, PA (Sports Network) - The IndyCar Series has gained momentum
from its "merger" with the Champ Car Series, Danica Patrick's historic win in
Japan and exciting side-by-side racing, but broadcasts like Saturday's night's
Bombardier Learjet 550 can only stunt any growth the series has made.

It wasn't bad enough for east coast viewers that this week's IndyCar race from
the Texas Motor Speedway was starting at 9:30 p.m. (et), but it got a lot
worse when the Nationwide Series race, which was being broadcast on the same
channel, ran late by almost an hour. Of course a 45-minute pre-race show
didn't help matters.

Worse, the network never informed viewers at any time during the first race
that the IndyCar race would not be covered live.

I checked some blogs and they were going crazy - no one knew the race wasn't
going to be live.

ESPN has spent a boatload of money for NASCAR, and it was understandable that
they covered the Nationwide Series race from start to finish, but with all of
its ability, ESPN should have found an outlet to cover the race live.

For those of us who wanted to see Scott Dixon, Helio Castroneves and the rest
as it happened, we were forced to turn to the IndyCar site and its internet
broadcast.

Even when it finally got around to broadcasting the race at about 10:30 p.m.,
ESPN bungled the start. The audio feed aired talk of mid-race pit stop
strategy, while the introduction video was displaying pre-race driver
interviews. After a few minutes, the problem was straightened out, and for the
rest of the evening things went normally. But the race also ended at 12:30 in
the morning on the east coast, so not too many people likely stayed up to see
the finish.

The IndyCar Series has a chance to become more than an afterthought for racing
fans, but not if it receives coverage like this.


http://sports.si.cnn.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=cnnsi&page=/auto/news/BHN4155772.htm

I agree with this guy-

"ostbucks98
This is just ESPN throwing us a bone.Ive read reports and articles in various places bashing coverage and the fact it was a tape delayed broadcast.Espn has seen these articles and feedback also now they say it was the highest rated...BS.Not getting me this time ESPN."

[Insomniac]

From the AP:

Last Saturday night's Bombardier Learjet 550k at Texas Motor Speedway ranks as the highest-rated and most-viewed IndyCar Series race broadcast ever on ESPN2 and the second most-viewed series race in ESPN and ESPN2 history.

The broadcast produced a 1.0 cable rating and reached 939,160 households, surpassing the .85 rating for this year's season-opening race at Homestead that previously held the ESPN2 record. It was also a 44 percent increase over last year's Texas race, which drew a 0.7 rating and 639,952 households.

[SurfaceUnits]

Nielsen Television Ratings are gathered by one of two ways; by extensive use of surveys, where viewers of various demographics are asked to keep a written record (called a diary) of the television programming they watch throughout the day and evening, or by the use of Set Meters, which are small devices connected to every television in selected homes. These devices gather the viewing habits of the home and transmit the information nightly to Nielsen through a "Home Unit" connected to a phone line. Set Meter information allows market researchers to study television viewing habits on a minute to minute basis, seeing the exact moment viewers change channels or turn off their TV. In addition to this technology, the implementation of individual viewer reporting devices (called people meters) allow the company to separate household viewing information into various demographic groups. In 2005, Nielsen began measuring the usage of digital video recordings (TiVo, for example) and initial results indicate that time-shifted viewing will have a significant impact on television ratings.

[Corner5]

From the AP:

That proves nothing,where did the ratings come from? It's a regurgitated press release from the Irl? ESPN? Where's the accountability? Attendance was down to 75k but viewership was up on a tape delay race that was delayed by nascar on a saturday nite on a second tier network?

That was reported Wednesday, the finals for cable come out Thursday.

:fantasy:

[Insomniac]

That proves nothing,where did the ratings come from? It's a regurgitated press release from the Irl? ESPN? Where's the accountability? Attendance was down to 75k but viewership was up on a tape delay race that was delayed by nascar on a saturday nite on a second tier network?

That was reported Wednesday, the finals for cable come out Thursday.

:fantasy:

Things must be really boring when you need a mountain of evidence to back up a 1.0 rating. Yes, everyone is out to inflate the IRL. They had a whopping 940k people watch. I know I'd be shouting from the rooftops too.

"IndyCar Series: We almost get the same ratings as Poker."

[dando]

From the AP:

If yer quoting an article, include the linkage, yo.

-Kevin

[Insomniac]

Final Nielsen Ratings

IndyCar Series: Bombardier Learjet 550k
6/7
ESPN2
10:27pm - 1:00am
0.8 (U.S.)
1.0 (Coverage Area)
1,148,000 Viewers

Can't link, it's from a subscription.

[Insomniac]

If yer quoting an article, include the linkage, yo.

-Kevin

http://www.thatsracin.com/other_series/story/15359.html

[Brickman]

That proves nothing,where did the ratings come from? It's a regurgitated press release from the Irl? ESPN? Where's the accountability? Attendance was down to 75k but viewership was up on a tape delay race that was delayed by nascar on a saturday nite on a second tier network?

That was reported Wednesday, the finals for cable come out Thursday.

:fantasy:

Fantasy Island

The Ratings! The Ratings!

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/adc/10102812A~Fantasy-Island-Posters.jpg


Things must be really boring when you need a mountain of evidence to back up a 1.0 rating.

Yea to build it up or tear it down.

[Insomniac]

Yea to build it up or tear it down.

It just seems arguing over how low the ratings are, whether it's a 1.0, 0.8 or 1.2 doesn't matter much. They all suck. I think we're all smart enough to know that these big % increases are simply because the numbers are so low to begin with. Of course people will try to paint them in the best light with comparisons and superlatives, but the numbers are the numbers and they're really low. A 1.0 sucked when CART/CC got it, and it sucks when the IRL gets it. A change race to race of a fraction of a rating does not indicate growth or decline. It will take years to see the growth or decline. So it was a 0.8 final instead of a 1.0. (Note that the actual # of viewers went up.) So the ratings growth is smaller. It wasn't impressive to start with.

[Methanolandbrats]

Pointless debate. It would still suck even if half the country watched it. WGAF

[Indy]

"IndyCar Series: We almost get the same ratings as Poker."

Yeah, but that is pretty good. Poker is a REAL sport.

[SurfaceUnits]

the final rating is the average of readings taken periodically during the entire broadcast. Started with 2.0 at the end of the nationwide broadcast and ended with the IRls customary 0.0, thusly you get your 1.0

[Corner5]

Final Nielsen Ratings

IndyCar Series: Bombardier Learjet 550k
6/7
ESPN2
10:27pm - 1:00am
0.8 (U.S.)


Thanks. All that hype for an .8.

:desperation: :shakehead

[Racing Truth]

:o:o:oApologies to SU. He was right, I was wrong. Simple as that.

[SurfaceUnits]

to paraphrase Will Rogers, "Everything I know I read on the interweb."

bottom line, 4 million viewers of the 500 didn't return for milwaukee or texas

[Andrew Longman]

to paraphrase Will Rogers, "Everything I know I read on the interweb."

bottom line, 4 million viewers of the 500 didn't return for milwaukee or texas

They just don't know what Texas means

[SurfaceUnits]

trucks, nationwide and F1 all beated the leeg that is the gratest in the werld

[High Sided]

the gratest spectacle = Something that attracts attention by being unpleasant or ridiculous :gomer:

[G.]

the gratest spectacle = Something that attracts attention by being unpleasant or ridiculous :gomer:Fear Factor??

[SurfaceUnits]

dario dnqs at so-noma :shakehead

he should have opted for f1, he coulda been there waiting when ftg caught up

[Indy]

dario dnqs at so-noma :shakehead

he should have opted for f1, he coulda been there waiting when ftg caught up

I'll bet Ashley is upset. Think she'll wear a big, stupid hat to mourn the loss of her husband's dignity?

[grungex]

I'll bet he DNQ'd like a gentleman.

[dando]

Well, @ least it's in SF so they can go get hammered @ a whinery. :gomer:

-Kevin

[extramundane]

I'll bet Ashley is upset. Think she'll wear a big, stupid hat to mourn the loss of her husband's dignity?

I think most of his dignity flew out of the cockpit during his various Air Dario experiences last year. Had he retained any of it, he wouldn't have signed onto a 3rd-tier, semi-sponsored NASCAR operation in the first place.

Yeah, ok, yes he would have. :laugh: