What a Finish at - Spa

[Ankf00]

Let's see. Instead of going through the chicane he short cut the course. When he made the decision to peel off the track, he was behind Kimi. If he hit the brakes instead, he wouldn't have been on Kimi's rear wing coming out of the chicane. But when he let Kimi by, he got right under his wing and immediately passed him. That seems like an advantage to me, and I thought it was when I saw it.

I can't see how anyone could say he did not gain any advantage. Like I said before, the punishment seems harsh (I can't remember the last time F1 handed out a punishment and anyone said it wasn't enough), but that doesn't mean Hamilton did nothing wrong either.

as OC quoted above
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/70457


"To me the facts are quite clear in retrospect. I have had a look at the videos, I've had a look at the published data which shows that Lewis was nearly 7 km/h slower than Raikkonen across the line, you can quite clearly see on the in-car camera that he lets him get completely in front, and in my view Raikkonen just braked very early.

[Insomniac]

as OC quoted above
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/70457

I can't really comment on the braking early part. Was the track wet at that point? I don't dispute Hamilton let him by, but he was still on his rear wing. In my opinion, that's an advantage because he wasn't coming out of that chicane next to him, and no way he was coming out on his rear wing. A little patience from Hamilton would've avoided any controversy. However, the braking makes it interesting. I assume that is something McLaren will present during their appeal. It will be interesting to see.

[miatanut]

He was on Kimi's tail entering the corner because he did'nt brake. Had he taken the correct line he would have been several car lengths back in dirty air. Lots of folks think everyone should just pull over and park when they see Jebus in their mirrors, he's just that good. Apparently the FIA does not agree. Screw Hamilton, Uncle Ron and McLaren. I hope Massa wins the title.

So you're saying if Kimi wasn't there and Hamilton had braked the same place, took the same line, etc. he would have gone off at the chicane? It certainly didn't look like he was fighting for control and in the process of going off. He was avoiding an accident. Something he could do much more effectively by flicking the wheel to the left when the left side of the car is loaded-up than by braking. Then he put himself behind Kimi, clearly demonstrated by crossing sides.

I root for the red cars over the silver ones (can't stand Ron Dennis), but this penalty was pure BS.

[Don Quixote]

McLaren's appeal denied. I am shocked, shocked I tell you.

[Insomniac]

McLaren's appeal denied. I am shocked, shocked I tell you.

Sounds link an IndyCar appeal. They go through the process only to say that a "drive through" penalty can't be appealed.

[TrueBrit]

McLaren's appeal denied. I am shocked, shocked I tell you.

Me too...who would have thought that the silver car's appeal would be turned down in favour of the red car?

And to add injury to insult is the cop-out of "This appeal isn't appeallable"

Um, dickheads, then why bother?

:shakehead:yuck:

[ilferrari]

Couldn't they have figured it out immediately whether McLaren's appeal was admissable or not? What was the point of the hearing?

[Methanolandbrats]

Couldn't they have figured it out immediately whether McLaren's appeal was admissable or not? What was the point of the hearing?
Collect a fee for holding the hearing?

[Don Quixote]

Couldn't they have figured it out immediately whether McLaren's appeal was admissable or not? What was the point of the hearing?

No, because the last time such an appeal was admissable.

http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns20794.html


The decision is odd in that the Court of Appeal last year accepted an appeal by the Automobile Club d’Italia on behalf of its licence-holder Scuderia Toro Rosso against a decision at the Japanese Grand Prix for an identical penalty which was given to Vitantonio Liuzzi, for having overtaken another competitor while a yellow flag restriction was in place. In that case the decision of the Stewards was upheld. None of the judges involved were the same but it is hard to see how one appeal is admissible and another is not. There is no doubt some convoluted explanation but the fans of F1 will not understand nor care.

[miatanut]

No, because the last time such an appeal was admissable.

http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns20794.html

Zing!

I used to root for Ferrari during the dark days of the late '80's/early '90's, but FIA's protection of them is getting a bit tiresome.

[meadors]

Hamilton got what he deserved.

None of his worshipers can seem to get it.


He was way behind before teh chicane.
Rather than brake properly to be able to negotiate the chicane, he brakes way late and gains tons of track position on Kimi.
Since he is going too fast, AND can't make the chicane, he has to short cut it.
The penalty was not assessed because he passed Kimi, it was assessed because he KNOWINGLY and PURPOSELY gained track position by short cutting the chicane..
Look at the video one more time. He NEVER intended to follow the chicane. He fully intended to shortcut all along.

[Don Quixote]

Oh, OK. And here all this time I thought maybe the FIA might have an unhealthy bias towards the red cars, based on cumulative observations of hearings and rulings for many years. Thanks for setting me straight.