Singapore, Singapore, Singapore

[High Sided]

i can't wait!!
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[G.]

Speedtv's website blows. Can't find ****, too busy autoplaying videos that I don't want to see. :thumdown:

When is the race televised in the US? Speed or network?

[Gnam]

http://www.speedtv.com/schedule/filter/program/833323

Sept.28/Speed/7:30am EST

[Gnam]

Now they say Singapore may be a wet race. How many is that this year?

Is there a record for the most wet races in a season?

edit:
2008 Season Wet races:
1. Monaco
2. France
3. Silverstone
4. Spa
5. Monza
6. Singapore?

In the last thirty years, there have been 2 seasons with as many wet races.
In 1995 there were (5).
In 2000 there were (6).

source: http://www.f1-facts.com/results/season/2008

[pchall]

Bernie and Max will insist on sprinkler systems for every circuit in F1 soon to keep the show exciting. :laugh:

[Methanolandbrats]

Bernie and Max will insist on sprinkler systems for every circuit in F1 soon to keep the show exciting. :laugh: Delete your post so those idiots don't see it and implement it. :gomer:

[High Sided]

Speedtv's website blows. Can't find ****


best place to find anything racing on tv http://www.racefantv.com/USTV.htm

[indyfan31]

Someone spent some serious time and money on that little bit of animation.

[Sean Malone]

Speedtv's website blows. Can't find ****, too busy autoplaying videos that I don't want to see. :thumdown:

When is the race televised in the US? Speed or network?

SpeedTV has become probably one of the absolute worst websites I've ever seen. Absolutely horrible. I can't even think of a site is worse.

[emjaya]

Pop quiz: who has won the Singapore Grand Prix three times?

Answer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapore_Grand_Prix#Multiple_winners_.28drivers.2 9)

And a short film of the first SGP.:)

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[ferrarigod]

Ride onboard with Nico Rosberg on the Williams simulator on the Singapore track:

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/09/24/onboard-lap-of-singapore-with-nico-rosberg-on-the-williams-f1-simulator-video/#more-9825

Luca Di Montezemolo was right, this fight for F1 to get more street circuits is insane and not helpful to F1. The tracks are terrible, no matter how many Tilke turns are placed(in fact usually they get worse). Either way, I will watch, but this is just as depressing as CART on the road to obscurity(of course F1 has a much longer path than AOW).
:D

[pchall]

F1 laps at Singapore are up at YouTube.

link to a lap by Marc Webber (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPegAxc6NPA&feature=related)

[Methanolandbrats]

F1 laps at Singapore are up at YouTube.

link to a lap by Marc Webber (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPegAxc6NPA&feature=related)
I think I've seen that before :D

[ferrarigod]

:tony: check out the my onboard :tony:

[Robstar]

Here's a better version...

http://www.redbullracing.com/4th-Sector/Webber-Singapore/

[Indy]

SpeedTV has become probably one of the absolute worst websites I've ever seen. Absolutely horrible. I can't even think of a site is worse.

Surely you jest, Mr. Short Memory. :champcar.ws:

[grungex]

^^^
I strongly disagree. It may have been a bit cluttered, but I never had a bit of trouble finding any information within one or two clicks. Unlike the Inheritor's Sham League site, where just trying to find lap times results in a session of needless frustration.

[ilferrari]

I wouldn't expect the event to look too much like the glitzy simulations. I drove around the course exactly a year ago in a road car. About a third of it(the pits and surrounding area) is built on nondescript reclaimed land. The rest of it kindof skirts the city. The best part of the city is down the road.

[High Sided]

I think I've seen that before :D

does look familiar;)

here is a good clip on the track construction.
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[ferrarigod]

I wouldn't expect the event to look too much like the glitzy simulations. I drove around the course exactly a year ago in a road car. About a third of it(the pits and surrounding area) is built on nondescript reclaimed land. The rest of it kindof skirts the city. The best part of the city is down the road.

at night things will probably glisten. but the track still blows. and this direction for F1 is beyond stupid. They have enough power to make governments build real tracks. No need for this stupidity.

[pchall]

^^^
I strongly disagree. It may have been a bit cluttered, but I never had a bit of trouble finding any information within one or two clicks. Unlike the Inheritor's Sham League site, where just trying to find lap times results in a session of needless frustration.

Champ Car's T&S was great and made following practice and qualifying from work easy. IRL T&S sucks donkey dix and I wind up waiting for the timing and results .pdfs just to have a bit of fun with the Foyt Futility Watch.

[Gnam]

It'd be nice if Seabass could put his past experience with night races and street circuits to good use. What happened to all his good luck?

[High Sided]

What happened to all his good luck?

go figure:\

[Sean Malone]

Champ Car's T&S was great and made following practice and qualifying from work easy. IRL T&S sucks donkey dix and I wind up waiting for the timing and results .pdfs just to have a bit of fun with the Foyt Futility Watch.

The IRL would suck the fun out of a new year's eve party at the Playboy mansion.

[Methanolandbrats]

Total POS track. Night racing is a stupid gimmick to raise cash. Take the World's quickest cars and turn em loose on a greasy, badly lit urban car flume. :shakehead Might be the first F1 race in decades that I will not waste my time watching.

[racermike]

http://mikesf1.890m.com/simulcastPlayer_02.swf

There is my link again for all F1 sessions

[Gnam]

The overpasses remind me of Vancouver. Although that bridge is mighty narrow. I don't think the track is a joke, but it does look like a video game.

[Sean Malone]

F1, being the self proclaimed and generally acknowledged pinnacle of motor sport, should compete on circuits that are built to properly accommodate the machines i.e. permanent road courses with the appropriate safety features.
Monaco being the one tip of the hat throw back 'historic' event. I agree with meth, it's pure gimmick. What's next, a little half mile oval in Nashville TN?

[Methanolandbrats]

F1, being the self proclaimed and generally acknowledged pinnacle of motor sport, should compete on circuits that are built to properly accommodate the machines i.e. permanent road courses with the appropriate safety features.
Monaco being the one tip of the hat throw back 'historic' event. I agree with meth, it's pure gimmick. What's next, a little half mile oval in Nashville TN? The few minutes of practice I watched this morning did remind me of Richmond under the lights. :gomer: No way you can drive those things 10/10ths under artificial lighting. The shadows, depth perception and everything else is totally ****ed up.

[Accipiter]

Track sucks and the pit entrance and exits are downright dangerous, but the cars look pretty under the lights. Sparkly!

[Cam]

http://mikesf1.890m.com/simulcastPlayer_02.swf

There is my link again for all F1 sessions

Bernies goons must have found your link. :gomer:

[OW]

Brilliant
I love it..
My 6am alarm is always set for Sat Morning and Sunday Morning (Saint F1 Church)

Only now ...I'll watch instead of Europe 2PM I'll watch Asian Nite

Think they did it for SpeedTV? of course not but it works out.....

But it beats watching from - I think - was midnite to 2 in the morning

OW

[racermike]

Bernies goons must have found your link. :gomer:

Not just mine, the site that the Flash file was going through as well.

Another one will pop up soon and I will host it again somewhere else

[trish]

What is wrong with these guys? How stupid.

[TrueBrit]

Is anyone up and chatting?

[trish]

This is getting good now that the race is winding down.

[Methanolandbrats]

Is anyone up and chatting? Sitting up, trying to stay awake watching this crap. Would'nt it be easier to just put all the drivers in a brightly lit room and draw straws to see who wins?:yuck:

[TrueBrit]

Sitting up, trying to stay awake watching this crap. Would'nt it be easier to just put all the drivers in a brightly lit room and draw straws to see who wins?:yuck:

So that's a no then is it?;):D

[trish]

Safety Car!

[TrueBrit]

Bloody hell...it's all happening now!

[trish]

This can't end well.

[TrueBrit]

Alonso checking out again...

[TrueBrit]

Kimi Stuffs it...again....

[trish]

Well there you have it. Will there be another?

[Methanolandbrats]

Kimi Stuffs it...again....
The Kimster was thinking about happy hour four laps too early. Focus till you switch it off son.

[TrueBrit]

Williams in position to have both cars in the points....blimey!

[Methanolandbrats]

Hamilton did a fine job. Ferrari sucks top to bottom.

[TrueBrit]

Wow! What a race! Team FIA scores ZERO points....Karma's a bitch right?:D

[trish]

No points, but a 12th place finish for Bourdais. I do wonder where he will be next year.

[trish]

Massa finishes another race.

[OW]

The BEST!!!! Is that Speed kept the program running well beyond 30 Minutes into Nascrap

now That's what I'm Talkin' about :thumbup:

OW

[trish]

Wish I had set the recorder an extra 30 minutes over.

[Audi_A4]

finally formula one put on a great show!

[Cam]

finally formula one put on a great show!

Finally? Did you sleep thru Spa? Post race robbery aside. :saywhat:

[Insomniac]

Well, the no refueling rule backfired horribly. It put Rosberg in the front.

And once again, teams stacking pit stops didn't think to change tires on car #2 early so that they can run the preferred tire to the end. The car is going to get stuck waiting regardless, why not switch to the crappy tire for one lap?

I think the race would've been more interesting if the SC never came out.

[Methanolandbrats]

finally formula one put on a great show!

Awful expensive way to hold an autocross.:yuck:

[NismoZ]

Sure, just leave it to the good judgement of the professional drivers when racing past that guy with the push broom and a death wish cleaning up the track for them.:rolleyes: But, you are right, that WOULD have made it more "interesting."

[Insomniac]

Sure, just leave it to the good judgement of the professional drivers when racing past that guy with the push broom and a death wish cleaning up the track for them.:rolleyes: But, you are right, that WOULD have made it more "interesting."

I assume you were talking to me. First, I was talking about the first one. Second, I wasn't saying it should not come out. Finally, I thought that the race would've been better if there wasn't one at all.

[oddlycalm]

So I'm thinking Ferrari's automated driver pit signal is a sucking chest wound at this point. Two races ruined for them and McLaren takes the lead in the constructor's standings as a result. :shakehead

Singapore wasn't bad for a street race circuit, but that's about all I can say. Impressive from a distance visually but more like arena football up close. It's clear the old men running the sport and the sponsors are more concerned about great hotels, fine dining and posh bathrooms for their frequent visits than great racing courses like Spa and Silverstone.

Alonso drove well all weekend and his bad luck in quals was erased by his good fortune in the race. It's not often you see that kind of symmetry in life...:gomer:

oc

[Insomniac]

So I'm thinking Ferrari's automated driver pit signal is a sucking chest wound at this point. Two races ruined for them and McLaren takes the lead in the constructor's standings as a result. :shakehead

Getting fancy for no good reason. I just never saw how that was really any better than a person with a lollipop. It's like Williams and their air jack in the front. It doesn't really do anything better than a manual jack. They use a manual jack in the back. It's not any faster, but it's more likely to fail.

[NismoZ]

Agreed, Insom. No, I was just cracking wise at the idea F-1 might not need to use Safety Cars because it is the pinnacle. A less than race-wise relative watching with me this AM suggested F-1 was "just like NASCAR" when the SC came out "to just bunch up the field." True, that happened but certainly not to enhance our TV viewing pleasure. But put me down as one who was glad to see this type of track on the schedule. Diversity of venues was my favorite aspect of the CART days. I gained new respect for the guy today who handled Singapore's challenges the best and came away a winner, even if I can't be counted as one of his "fans."

[shaggy_socal]

Getting fancy for no good reason. I just never saw how that was really any better than a person with a lollipop. It's like Williams and their air jack in the front. It doesn't really do anything better than a manual jack. They use a manual jack in the back. It's not any faster, but it's more likely to fail.

To quote Scotty, "The more they over think the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain."

As for the track design...
Too many turns and chicanery. You need two to three straights that end in sharp corners to give the drivers several passing opportunities during the lap.
Think Surfers Paradise.

[ilferrari]

I wish they would find a more sporting way to use the safety car. It's like shuffling the pieces in the middle of a chess game. They should ban refuelling and find a way to release the cars with the same time gaps they had before they safety car came out.

[Insomniac]

I wish they would find a more sporting way to use the safety car. It's like shuffling the pieces in the middle of a chess game. They should ban refuelling and find a way to release the cars with the same time gaps they had before they safety car came out.

CC had it right. Allow for only a splash, no other work on the car until pits are open.

[opinionated ow]

I wish they would find a more sporting way to use the safety car. It's like shuffling the pieces in the middle of a chess game. They should ban refuelling and find a way to release the cars with the same time gaps they had before they safety car came out.

They just have to get rid of the stupid safety car rules that came in a year or two ago.

[Rogue Leader]

Wish I had set the recorder an extra 30 minutes over.

After getting burned a couple times I always add 30 minutes to every F1 recording i set on my DVR.

[indyfan31]

Total POS track. Night racing is a stupid gimmick to raise cash. Take the World's quickest cars and turn em loose on a greasy, badly lit urban car flume. :shakehead Might be the first F1 race in decades that I will not waste my time watching.

The few minutes of practice I watched this morning did remind me of Richmond under the lights. No way you can drive those things 10/10ths under artificial lighting. The shadows, depth perception and everything else is totally ****ed up.

Sitting up, trying to stay awake watching this crap. Would'nt it be easier to just put all the drivers in a brightly lit room and draw straws to see who wins?
You gotta like a guy that really sticks to his convictions. :shakehead

[JLMannin]

So I'm thinking Ferrari's automated driver pit signal is a sucking chest wound at this point. Two races ruined for them and McLaren takes the lead in the constructor's standings as a result. :shakehead

oc

Exactly what I was thinking. The "electronic lollipop" may very well cost them both the drivers and constructors championships. It was nice to Alonso be genuinely excited to win a race.

[Methanolandbrats]

You gotta like a guy that really sticks to his convictions. :shakehead
Well excuse me, street racing sucks. The only reason it exists is because it's easy to find five star restaurants and hotels for the pampered F1 crowd and it's easy to fill the stands with people who are too lazy to drive to a proper racing circuit.

[stroker]

Well excuse me, street racing sucks. The only reason it exists is because it's easy to find five star restaurants and hotels for the pampered F1 crowd and it's easy to fill the stands with people who are too lazy to drive to a proper racing circuit.

What was more dismaying to me was watching Varsha and Matchett waxing poetic about the virtues on the Speed Report. Oh, goody! Bernie and Max have seen the .1RL presentation and it is GOOD! Put those cars under the lights on a small track! Take that promoters fee (well, Bernie does, FTG doesn't, obviously)!

[Sean Malone]

And thus begins a new era in F1, the street party festival. Singapore was a visual smorgasbord but lacked something. I definitely felt like I was watching the future of F1 but found myself missing CART.
I'm always curious how drivers who benefit from a fortunate turn of events and are in a winning position somehow find speed that wasn't there before.

[Insomniac]

What was more dismaying to me was watching Varsha and Matchett waxing poetic about the virtues on the Speed Report. Oh, goody! Bernie and Max have seen the .1RL presentation and it is GOOD! Put those cars under the lights on a small track! Take that promoters fee (well, Bernie does, FTG doesn't, obviously)!

Everyone in the paddock was enamored by it as well.

[Sean Malone]

What's the beach volleyball equivalent for Eurotrash?:D

[NismoZ]

So, how many "proper" F-1 circuits remain? Seems to me there must be an entertainment and business aspect to F-1 just as there is/was to Moto GP, CART/IndyCar, NASCRAP or SCORE. Pardon me if I believe a wider variety of venues may equalize the competition somewhat better than rulesmakers. I have no doubt Alonso knew on Friday he had a better chance this past weekend than at any time this season based on his confidence in his own abilities not the sudden (re)emergence of his car and team. That 2nd practice session on TV Friday made that clear to me, something one doesn't normally sense unless in actual attendence. Any venue has it's flaws, any event can be improved upon and I hope Singapore can be tweaked to the satisfaction of most, including the bean counters.

[Sean Malone]

Pardon me if I believe a wider variety of venues may equalize the competition somewhat better than rulesmakers. .

Ferrari equalizes themselves. :)

[Andrew Longman]

Sorry, but I liked it. I like bumps. I like changing surfaces. I like a circuit with very little margin for error. I like the physical challenge to the driver. And yes it made me miss CART.

I did not like the Safety Car rules. It doesn't do what it is intended to do so just open the damn pits.

I did not like the T10 combo but that is fixable. I did not like the pit in and out, but that is fixable too. In general a helluvalot better than Valencia visually and race wise.

And the lights were cool. The cars and city looked fabulous and the sparks were flying. I just want to be able to see the brake rotors.

These should not replace proper historic tracks like Spa, Silverstone, Monza and the like, but then I'll take this over Bahrain, China and Malaysia. And come to think of it, my favorite tracks have always been near the cities: Melbourne, Canada, Brazil (not Indy).

[JohnHKart]

Wish I had set the recorder an extra 30 minutes over.


Here's my policy. After I lost the last laps of the 2007 Euro GP--which featured that fantastic Alonso pass for the lead for the win...I now set all F1 to three hours. This broadcast went the full three hours. It really sucks to lose the endings so I hear ya.

John

[oddlycalm]

What's the beach volleyball equivalent for Eurotrash?:D

Beach vollyball. :D

oc

[Methanolandbrats]

You gotta like a guy that really sticks to his convictions. :shakehead Oh ya, your boy Kimi did a fine ****ing job of bringing home the points :laugh:

[indyfan31]

Oh ya, your boy Kimi did a fine ****ing job of bringing home the points :laugh:

... which means you watched it right to the end, and then screamed at the TV when your DVR cut off the interviews. POSER. :laugh:

[Sean Malone]

I was cheering for more fuel rig eggcitment.

[ilferrari]

I'm always curious how drivers who benefit from a fortunate turn of events and are in a winning position somehow find speed that wasn't there before.

Alonso's speed was there all weekend:
http://www.formula1.com/results/season/2008/801/6568/fastest_laps.html

[NismoZ]

The track.