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It's his. Button and Barrichello to drive. Mercedes power. (notice it's "GP" not "Grand Prix.":D... Autosport (Brawn GP Formula One Team...if they use "Team" after Formula One, that makes it OK!) The pic is up at Autosport.
Sean Malone
03-05-09, 11:28 PM
I was looking forward to the arrival of Bruno.
Insomniac
03-05-09, 11:44 PM
Button, ugh.
link (http://f1.fr.reuters.com/f1/news/India-383685-5.php)
LONDON (Reuters) - The former Honda Formula One team has been saved and will race this season as Brawn GP under new owner Ross Brawn, the renamed team said in a statement on Friday.
Britain's Jenson Button and Brazilian Rubens Barrichello, last year's Honda line-up, will continue to drive for the British-based team with the first race in Australia little more than three weeks away on March 29.
Brawn GP, whose change of name is subject to the agreement of the governing International Automobile Federation (FIA), will use Mercedes engines under a deal with McLaren's partners.
No financial details were given.
Will we ever find out where the money comes from?
ps: it would be funny to see them run as Honda-Mercedes. :)
ps: it would be funny to see them run as Honda-Mercedes. :)
One Italian short of an Axis. :p
eiregosod
03-06-09, 06:32 AM
One Italian short of an Axis. :p
Ross has photocopies of the 2006 Ferrari under his matress :\
extramundane
03-06-09, 09:16 AM
Button, ugh.
At least they have continuity, so when they get their asses handed to them by Force India, they'll know it couldn't possibly be the fault of the drives.
Super Aguri could have done it better and with less drama. :laugh:
Wheel-Nut
03-06-09, 01:11 PM
link (http://f1.fr.reuters.com/f1/news/India-383685-5.php)
Will we ever find out where the money comes from?
Gift from Obama?
Accipiter
03-06-09, 01:22 PM
Brawn GP BGP001:
http://motorsport.com/photos/f1/2009/tes/f1-2009-tes-tm-0045.jpg
http://motorsport.com/photos/f1/2009/tes/f1-2009-tes-tm-0046.jpg
http://motorsport.com/photos/f1/2009/tes/f1-2009-tes-tm-0047.jpg
I like the ambition apparent in the chassis name. Brawn GP BGP001. It imples they intend the team to last for 999 years.
intend to last for 999 years.
So did The Third Reich.
Butt Ugly 001. The regs are seriously wrong.
Seriously. They need to mandate one straight line along the chassis from the first bulkhead in front of suspension all the way to the the engine mount.
nissan gtp
03-06-09, 05:08 PM
nose looks like the Williams
in other words, ugly :D
But air refuses to MOVE in a straight line!:)
If max and bernie drop dead tomorrow and I am picked as the new F1 csar, I swear that will I mandate a flat bottom from the F1 bulkhead in front of the suspension right back to the engine mounting plate.
oddlycalm
03-06-09, 09:57 PM
At least they have continuity, so when they get their asses handed to them by Force India, they'll know it couldn't possibly be the fault of the drives.
Real irony if they were to do well with Honda out of the picture...:D
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oddlycalm
03-06-09, 10:03 PM
nose looks like the Williams
It has to be that way for the sickle bar mower attachment to fit. :gomer:
Brawn is financing the operation by agreeing to mow the track infield at each race venue. In return Bernie funds his operation for a year.
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http://home.earthlink.net/~bcsshop/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/sicklebar2.jpg
"If max and bernie drop dead tomorrow and I am picked as the new F1 csar, I swear that will I mandate a flat bottom from the F1 bulkhead in front of the suspension right back to the engine mounting plate"
If you dream, then dream out loud
It has to be that way for the sickle bar mower attachment to fit. :gomer:
Brawn is financing the operation by agreeing to mow the track infield at each race venue. In return Bernie funds his operation for a year.
oc
http://home.earthlink.net/~bcsshop/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/sicklebar2.jpg
:rofl::laugh::rofl:
Car-B-Q
03-14-09, 12:48 AM
Why are they running grooved tires? I thought they were going back to slicks this year.
Mikey Whinedretti could have used that nose and wing to his advantage in 1993 if he hadn't crashed out on the first lap all the time.
It has to be that way for the sickle bar mower attachment to fit. :gomer:
Brawn is financing the operation by agreeing to mow the track infield at each race venue. In return Bernie funds his operation for a year.
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http://home.earthlink.net/~bcsshop/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/sicklebar2.jpg
Accipiter
03-25-09, 11:28 AM
Brawn GP under dark financial cloud? (http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/090325074629.shtml)
It is on this point that the Swiss specialist publication Motorsport Aktuell expresses concerns about the survival of the Mercedes-powered team. It claims that Brawn could not simply change its name to Brawn, therefore keeping Honda's financial status, because while the teams unanimously agreed, Bernie Ecclestone exercised his veto.
...
"They should have taken what I offered," Ecclestone was quoted as saying.
"It was a very good offer for everybody concerned. It gave them complete protection but they wanted to do things on their own. Now all we can do is hope and pray," Ecclestone added.
That's just disgustingly peevish. They didn't do it Bernie's way so now he's out to personally screw the team? Seriously! :shakehead
eiregosod
03-25-09, 11:34 AM
Tony George only has to hope that scientists dont come up with a cure for senile dementia in the next few years.
F1/FOA are in deep financial trouble with the CVC deal.
Tony wins by TKO
Brawn GP under dark financial cloud? (http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/090325074629.shtml)
That's just disgustingly peevish. They didn't do it Bernie's way so now he's out to personally screw the team? Seriously! :shakehead
That has always been F1 under Bernie and his spastic sidekick.
Bernie needed a sure vote within the FOTA and still does.
Andrew Longman
03-25-09, 02:48 PM
Tony George only has to hope that scientists dont come up with a cure for senile dementia in the next few years.
F1/FOA are in deep financial trouble with the CVC deal.
Tony wins by TKO
Say more please.
eiregosod
03-25-09, 02:52 PM
Say more please.
a read on the financial situation
http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_news_item.php?fes_art_id=37245
Andrew Longman
03-25-09, 02:53 PM
Brawn GP under dark financial cloud? (http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/090325074629.shtml)
That's just disgustingly peevish. They didn't do it Bernie's way so now he's out to personally screw the team? Seriously! :shakehead
So he's getting 22 million euros less because he is not "Honda", but a new team. It is not clear, though I think I know the answer, whether that 22m was assumed when they set the buyout price.
a read on the financial situation
http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_news_item.php?fes_art_id=37245
So the owners of the commercial rights to F1 sell for $2.4b something they bought for $2.7b to "someone" who then sells it for $1.4b to "someone". :saywhat:
Andrew Longman
03-25-09, 06:19 PM
a read on the financial situation
http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_news_item.php?fes_art_id=37245
I don't know enough about the commercial side of F1 (it is opaque to me) to just if the dumping of the loan for 1.4B is any more significant than the first dumping of the loan. Banks are scrambling so I don't know what it means.
I also just don't see Honda leaving to be a tipping point as described.
What I do see is a bunch of far flung races with crazy sanctioning fees that only make sense when the races have huge attendance and novelty in countries looking for cred in a hot economy. The drop off in China from year one to two was huge. With prices close to a months wage people were willing to do it one to say they've done it, but not year after year. (cripes I sound like an IRLista:tony:)
Sometime someone post something that fully explains the economic model of F1 because I don't get it. F1, FIA, commercial rights, tv rights, FOTA, distribution to teams, etc. I once read all the teams pay a fee to Ferrari because Ferrari raises the value of the teams that race against it. Crazy.
oddlycalm
03-25-09, 08:30 PM
It would be "ironic" if the senile dwarf's big payday was responsible for killing F1. :shakehead I gotta agree with the money guys, 50 cents on the dollar seems about right. The auto companies are certainly strapped for cash and getting bailed out by governments (or banks in the case of Japan, Inc.) the chances of one of more mfg's being forced to withdraw are certainly very real.
My guess is that it wasn't just Honda pulling out that spooked the money guys. The fact that the US, French and Canadian organizers had taken a pass doesn't bode well either. Running the entire series in Asia, away from the primary markets of the auto companies, isn't going to help. Bernie is no longer the master of his own circus because he opted to stay in control after the LBO.
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eiregosod
03-26-09, 09:07 AM
the senile dwarf says that there'll be 3 new teams in 2010. USF1 or what ever they call themseves will be one team, then 2 more start line specialists will show up.
why does the dwarf get his medals idea taken seriously, when he in fact, owns very little of F1.
I sense a repeat of Spain 1980 this year
Accipiter
03-26-09, 10:06 AM
the senile dwarf says that there'll be 3 new teams in 2010. USF1 or what ever they call themseves will be one team, then 2 more start line specialists will show up.
Funded by Bernie? That's the only way I see it happening in this economy. Of course there would be the FOTA votes he was looking for.
cameraman
03-26-09, 12:21 PM
the senile dwarf
I'll take anything right now. Cancer, stroke, MI, helicopter, enraged fan.
God just needs to just get it done.
oddlycalm
03-26-09, 03:40 PM
Virgin announced as major Brawn team sponsor.
Virgin to sponsor Brawn (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/73920)
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Andrew Longman
03-26-09, 03:59 PM
Virgin announced as major Brawn team sponsor.
Virgin to sponsor Brawn (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/73920)
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Good. Screw bernie
And knowing Virgin the cars will look great
chop456
03-27-09, 01:51 AM
And will look just like the Toyotas. BMW/Sauber v. Williams was bad enough.
oddlycalm
03-28-09, 04:06 PM
I gotta say that Ross Brawn certainly knows what to do in F1. The car has not been to any of the pre-season testing, they didn't know if they were going to exist until weeks ago, yet here they are at the first race making everyone else in the paddock look like goobers. Even his drivers have stepped up there game. Now he's managed to pull Richard Branson onboard.
One might imagine it a fluke except he did the same at Benetton and Ferrari. At Ferrari it was difficult to say it was all Brawn's doing with Shumacher, Byrne, Todt, Stepney, etc., etc., but this time out it is vividly clear. Considering what an epic mess Honda was when he arrived it's staggering to witness what he has accomplished in one year. For a guy who doesn't say much he sure seems to have an incredible ability to get people doing the right things.
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The funny thing is, is that this months issue of F1 Racing Magazine has the 2009 "complete" Season Guide and DOES NOT have Brawn Racing in it. How funny is that? :rofl: That says it all right there. 1 month ago, no Brawn Racing, and now.... :p
It makes Mclaren & Ferrari look like Vision Racing. With all their resourses you're telling me they couldn't start on the 2009 cars as early as Honda F1 did? :saywhat: And, couldn't get a so called 'trick' diffuser ready intime of round 1? Strange.
Apparently, the Brawn cars were the heaviest in Q3.
http://www.planet-f1.com/story/0,18954,3213_5111228,00.html
oddlycalm
03-28-09, 10:01 PM
Apparently, the Brawn cars were the heaviest in Q3.
I'd love to have seen the look on Ron Dennis' face when he first heard that little tidbit....:rofl:
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TrueBrit
03-29-09, 01:00 PM
Button, ugh.
How about now?:D
TrueBrit
03-29-09, 01:02 PM
I'll take anything right now. Cancer, stroke, MI, helicopter, enraged fan.
God just needs to just get it done.
..only if He takes Max with him...
Insomniac
03-29-09, 03:11 PM
How about now?:D
He's still a tool who lucked into a good ride. :) Hamilton would've lapped most of the field with that kind of performance advantage.
oddlycalm
03-29-09, 04:19 PM
Not a delicate car. Woobens managed to hit, or get hit by, nearly everything on or near the track in Albert Park and the car was still setting good lap times at the end of the race. He lucked into 2nd but he was going to finish in the points regardless.
If they manage to develop the car throughout the season they will be tough to deal with.
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