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It's called dumping it all in one load.
That being said, would any sane person put :tony: in charge of that entity considering the cash burn rate @ IMS the past 13 years? :saywhat: :eek: Boggles the mind.... :shakehead
-Kevin
Call me unboggled.
It really makes sense.
"Tony you ****ed this thing up from the get-go. It's yours now, spend YOUR $$, not IMS's."
Sean Malone
05-28-09, 01:16 PM
Call me unboggled.
It really makes sense.
"Tony you ****ed this thing up from the get-go. It's yours now, spend YOUR $$, not IMS's."
Yep. And I'll bet he'll sell it inside of 2 years.
Napoleon
05-28-09, 01:41 PM
Yep. And I'll bet he'll sell it inside of 2 years.
And unless by that time it is turning a profit and has positive cash flow, and has a long term bullet proof contract with IMS, who would buy it? All a buyer would need to do is look at the IRL's income statement and balance sheet, and review the history of the IRL and CART post split to realize his money would be better spent just about anywhere he could spend it.
Sean Malone
05-28-09, 02:09 PM
And unless by that time it is turning a profit and has positive cash flow, and has a long term bullet proof contract with IMS, who would buy it? All a buyer would need to do is look at the IRL's income statement and balance sheet, and review the history of the IRL and CART post split to realize his money would be better spent just about anywhere he could spend it.
There are a lot of suckers out there. Honda has been dumping money into it for years. Bullet proof contract with IMS is the magic pill though.
Call me unboggled.
It really makes sense.
"Tony you ****ed this thing up from the get-go. It's yours now, spend YOUR $$, not IMS's."
Not if it's the co-called growth opportunity for a mature business, and the primary tenant for IMS (for now). *shrug*
-Kevin
And unless by that time it is turning a profit and has positive cash flow, and has a long term bullet proof contract with IMS, who would buy it? All a buyer would need to do is look at the IRL's income statement and balance sheet, and review the history of the IRL and CART post split to realize his money would be better spent just about anywhere he could spend it.
I've heard the gubment has been buying into failures lately... :gomer:
-Kevin
Andrew Longman
05-28-09, 02:38 PM
OK, so I just fell on to this while viewing something else linked here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55j31MFYvV4&NR=1
Methanolandbrats
05-28-09, 02:45 PM
Yep. And I'll bet he'll sell it inside of 2 years.
Sell what? The only thing left is the "Indycar" name and that ain't worth anything unless there are cars, sponsors and a schedule. Nobody cares, not fans, sponsors, track owners, advertisers, TV networks........nobody gives a ****.
Napoleon
05-28-09, 02:55 PM
There are a lot of suckers out there.
I can't disagree with that, but even suckers have their limits.
Sean Malone
05-28-09, 03:05 PM
So the IRL dies and IMS has 2 NASCAR races. For every good there is a bad. :(
Sell what? The only thing left is the "Indycar" name and that ain't worth anything unless there are cars, sponsors and a schedule. Nobody cares, not fans, sponsors, track owners, advertisers, TV networks........nobody gives a ****.
You watched. :p
-Kevin
Methanolandbrats
05-28-09, 03:20 PM
You watched. :p
-Kevin
Ya, I watched a crow pick apart a dead squirrel too, I'm not buying tickets for either one.
oddlycalm
05-28-09, 06:14 PM
OK, so I just fell on to this while viewing something else linked here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55j31MFYvV4&NR=1
Nice :thumbup: Their Danicle tribute song is full of win as well.:D
oc
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/7276/captdcdabfb9cf8f4ea2b17.jpg
"Dragged kicking and screaming..." (http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Reporter-Dragged-Kicking-and-Screaming-From-Near-Air-Force-One-.html)
Lots of that going around these days. :tony:
So the IRL dies and IMS has 2 NASCAR races. For every good there is a bad. :(
Actually, that would solve the problem entirely.
Sean Malone
05-29-09, 11:02 AM
Actually, that would solve the problem entirely.
Solve Mari's problem...not mine.
Intentionally or not, they've let the genie out of the bottle. In order to get it back inside, they're going to have to vaporize it.
Mary
TKGAngel
05-31-09, 12:49 PM
Get yer hip boots out for this one (http://www.indycar.com/news/?story_id=14193):
The IndyCar Series owners advisory group, formed in the fall to discuss cost-saving and issues potentially impacting the future, issued a statement May 30:
During the past week there have been many rumors and innuendos about our CEO Tony George. We, the IndyCar team owners, want to express our full support to Tony. As an innovator and leader of our sport, he continually strives to help and improve IndyCar racing, and for that we are exceptionally grateful.
A.J. Foyt Racing, Andretti Green Racing, Dale Coyne Racing, Dreyer & Reinbold Racing, HVM Racing, KV Racing Technology, Luczo Dragon Racing, Newman/Haas/Lanigan Racing, Panther Racing, Target Chip Ganassi Racing, Team 3G, Team Penske
Har.
The shoe's on the other foot now. Tony's money hose to the Speedway is what's feeding whatever subsidies they're getting back from the League right now. Disconnecting that means a return to 18 car fields and there's no seat for a lot of these guys when the music stops.
Add to that the fact that they've learned the hard way that this is really all about stroking Tony's ego and presto: BS.:tony:
TrueBrit
05-31-09, 01:49 PM
You can be sure the new head of IMS won't be so fond of the track funding the series.
The IRL will now have to sink or swim on its own.
In that case i'll take the former of the two...the only real queston remaining is just how soon...
http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/racing/indycar/columns/story?columnist=blount_terry&id=4216105
America needs a professionally managed open-wheel series. So does, Milwaukee, Long Beach, Mid-Ohio, Road America, Laguna Seca, and every other interesting race track that doesn't have a NASCAR date. I need a professionally managed open-wheel series. Gomerville does not. It can stand on its own without ever hosting another open-wheel event and probably will.
chop456
06-01-09, 08:23 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/racing/indycar/columns/story?columnist=blount_terry&id=4216105
Tony finally had what he wanted all along -- one series on the upswing
:laugh::laugh::laugh:
Don Quixote
06-01-09, 09:31 AM
Here's another whopper from the same article:
For the moment, things look bright.
Things wouldn't look bright if they raced on the surface of the sun.
Methanolandbrats
06-01-09, 09:46 AM
America needs a professionally managed open-wheel series. So does, Milwaukee, Long Beach, Mid-Ohio, Road America, Laguna Seca, and every other interesting race track that doesn't have a NASCAR date. I need a professionally managed open-wheel series. Gomerville does not. It can stand on its own without ever hosting another open-wheel event and probably will. I don't know about that, you and I and a few other people need a PMOW Series, but I Don't think "America" cares. AOW has been driven so far into the ground that I'm afraid it has joined harness racing on the scrapheap of history.
Tony finally had what he wanted all along -- one series on the upswing
:laugh::laugh::laugh:
And don't forget with marketable drivers. What, maybe four? Rahal, Andretti, Helio, and Danica? At least three of those would have been there anyway.
As opposed to Villenueve, Rahal, Pruett, Vasser, Sullivan, Herta, Gordon, Unser Jr., Andretti, Fittipaldi, and Tracy? All pre-split. How much better would it have been to have an unbroken line from those drivers through Moore, Zanardi, and Montoya?
Gack. :yuck:
Insomniac
06-02-09, 01:02 PM
In the early 90s there were stories that Penske had offered the Hulman family a billion dollars for IMS...
Thankfully they didn't sell. He would've sold it to NASCAR like all the other tracks OWR have been booted from.
Don Quixote
06-02-09, 01:42 PM
Thankfully they didn't sell. He would've sold it to NASCAR like all the other tracks OWR have been booted from. Except none of this matters anymore. :\ :irked:
Michaelhatesfans
06-02-09, 03:37 PM
...Villenueve, Rahal, Pruett, Vasser, Sullivan, Herta, Gordon, Unser Jr., Andretti, Fittipaldi, and Tracy? All pre-split. How much better would it have been to have an unbroken line from those drivers through Moore, Zanardi, and Montoya?
We would have probably picked up Alesi, as well.:(
miatanut
06-02-09, 09:07 PM
We would have probably picked up Alesi, as well.:(
Yes. I was hoping he would come over but he realized everything was too screwed-up for it to be worthwhile.
Methanolandbrats
06-02-09, 09:30 PM
We would have probably picked up Alesi, as well.:(
Nobody could have afforded to run that crazy ****er------>broken cars
Interesting timing - I am rereading Dr. Olvey's book "Rapid Response". Just this evening I was reading the chapter on Mansell. The end of the chapter speaks to TG's announcement after the 1995 I500.
Dr. Olvey writes:
According to George, it would not be influenced by either the automakers or the engine companies. It was to be a haven for young American spirit and midget car drivers wishing to break into the big time. In other words, it was an attempt to turn back the sands of time.
George, I think, had been had by the likes of AJ Foyt, Rick Galles, and Dick Simon, whose teams were no longer competitive in CART. They all wanted to things to be like they were in 60s. John Menard, a wealthy hardware store owner from Wisconsin was involved as well...
The general feeling in Indianapolis, according to the Indianapolis Star, was that Roger Penske had driven everyone else in CART out of competition, therefore making the IRL more desirable...
Dr. Olvey also calls out a NASCAR influence on TG and that CART was outdrawing NASCAR at shared events.
As if TG hasn't fixed OWR enough, he will now be focusing on the areas of the business that need the most attention. :rolleyes:
Corner5
06-03-09, 09:37 AM
For what its worth, a friend of mine went to the Milwaukee race on free Marlboro tickets and talked to Robin. He said his report is true, TG is still CEO of IMS in name without power over the money. He is in charge of he Irl and must try to make it self-sufficient The team owners are nervous and that's why they signed a letter of support. The paddock is divided into the "haves" and the "have-nots". It's still Irl vs CC. It's not a happy league and nothing like CART or CC.
RIP OW.
Methanolandbrats
06-03-09, 09:51 AM
Interesting timing - I am rereading Dr. Olvey's book "Rapid Response". Just this evening I was reading the chapter on Mansell. The end of the chapter speaks to TG's announcement after the 1995 I500. ..........
George, I think, had been had by the likes of AJ Foyt, Rick Galles, and Dick Simon, whose teams were no longer competitive in CART. They all wanted to things to be like they were in 60s. John Menard, a wealthy hardware store owner from Wisconsin was involved as well...
Yup, Sammich and that ******* Menard were driving forces behind the IRL...the only good thing in this mess is that Foyt is still running DFL.:rofl:
The paddock is divided into the "haves" and the "have-nots". It's still Irl vs CC. It's not a happy league
Maybe TG needs to form a new league to focus on Americans, oval racing, and cutting costs. Support those teams that aren't competitive in the IRL. ;)
Methanolandbrats
06-03-09, 10:02 AM
Maybe TG needs to form a new league to focus on Americans, oval racing, and cutting costs. Support those teams that aren't competitive in the IRL. ;)...or the team owners have to get Gurney on the phone and tell him to break out his typewriter again :D
Napoleon
06-03-09, 10:04 AM
Elmo T, I have never bought the story that that was TG's motivation. It was a pure unadulterated power play on his part and all the other reasons put forward about American drivers and all was just window dressing to take peoples eyes off of what TG's true motivation was.
Corner5
06-03-09, 10:10 AM
One more thing- the attendance is clearly dependant on the Marlboro freebies. Lines formed at 7 am or sooner for redemption at the Penske tent and were consistent half hour to an hour wait all the way to race time.Almost everyone there is on the dole. 20k would be a good guess. In addition there was a promotion on twitter for $3 dollar ticket giveaway this weekend. Without Penske and Marlboro, attendance at any track in the Irl would be dismal.
Methanolandbrats
06-03-09, 10:23 AM
Elmo T, I have never bought the story that that was TG's motivation. It was a pure unadulterated power play on his part and all the other reasons put forward about American drivers and all was just window dressing to take peoples eyes off of what TG's true motivation was.
Sammich is TG's godfather, Sammich hated road courses and furriners, Sammich sucked in CART. GM was also pissed off over the Ilmor/Mercedes deal. Other old-timer oval gomers were pissed. They all told TG to fix things for the sake of American Oval Tradition. This has been repeated over and over at the time it happened from crew members, members of the press etc... TG is too stupid to think of anything on his own. I'm convinced he has someone tie his shoes each morning.
It was a pure unadulterated power play on his part and all the other reasons put forward about American drivers and all was just window dressing to take peoples eyes off of what TG's true motivation was.
I don't disagree.
It is just amusing to see that after all the lip-service to that BS, TG has found himself back in early/mid 1990's CART years - creating at his own hands exactly what he opposed. Minus, of course: the fan base, ratings, marketable drivers, high attendance, etc, etc.
I'm convinced he has someone tie his shoes each morning.
Velcro :D
Don Quixote
06-03-09, 10:31 AM
So all these years of catering to the lowest common denominator have really paid off. :tony:
Napoleon
06-03-09, 10:41 AM
It is just amusing to see that after all the lip-service to that BS, TG has found himself back in early/mid 1990's CART years - creating at his own hands exactly what he opposed. .
Why do you think that a dozen years ago or whatever it was that I adopted the screen name of Napoleon, which is for the character out of George Orwell's Animal Farm. This text from that book comes at the very end when the farm animals are looking in through a window as the pigs that lead them meet with some humans, who had not been on the farm since the animals revolted:
He had only one criticism, he said, to make of Mr. Pilkington's excellent and neighbourly speech. Mr. Pilkington had referred throughout to "Animal Farm." He could not of course know-for he, Napoleon, was only now for the first time announcing it-that the name "Animal Farm" had been abolished. Henceforward the farm was to be known as "The Manor Farm"-which, he believed, was its correct and original name.
"Gentlemen," concluded Napoleon, "I will give you the same toast as before, but in a different form. Fill your glasses to the brim. Gentlemen, here is my toast: To the prosperity of The Manor Farm! "
There was the same hearty cheering as before, and the mugs were emptied to the dregs. But as the animals outside gazed at the scene, it seemed to them that some strange thing was happening. What was it that had altered in the faces of the pigs? Clover's old dim eyes flitted from one face to another. Some of them had five chins, some had four, some had three. But what was it that seemed to be melting and changing? Then, the applause having come to an end, the company took up their cards and continued the game that had been interrupted, and the animals crept silently away.
. . . . .
Twelve voices were shouting in anger, and they were all alike. No question, now, what had happened to the faces of the pigs. The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
Sean Malone
06-03-09, 12:20 PM
So one can expect an announcement extending the current spec. Why force everyone to pay for new cars when the proverbial plug is being close to being pulled.
Still no title sponsor, ratings that continue to decline to all time lows, no more family money to blow. TG may be able to squeeze Honda enough to float things for another few years but I doubt for long enough to build a series worth watching.
Don Quixote
06-03-09, 12:45 PM
Still no title sponsor I hear something big is in the works.
ratings that continue to decline to all time lows Ratings are down for every sport. IRL ratings are up for key demographics, and ROI is better than all other motorsports.
no more family money to blow.This is an unfounded rumor started by RM. You should know better.
TG may be able to squeeze Honda enough to float things for another few years But you ignore the 8 figure income from TV contracts. I have seen them, but I can't share with the rest of you.
:gomer: :D
Methanolandbrats
06-03-09, 12:49 PM
But you ignore the 8 figure income from TV contracts. I have seen them, but I can't share with the rest of you.
:gomer: :D
I think you forgot the minus sign :gomer:
Sean Malone
06-03-09, 12:51 PM
I hear something big is in the works.
Ratings are down for every sport. IRL ratings are up for key demographics, and ROI is better than all other motorsports.
This is an unfounded rumor started by RM. You should know better.
But you ignore the 8 figure income from TV contracts. I have seen them, but I can't share with the rest of you.
:gomer: :D
:rofl:
JohnHKart
06-03-09, 01:16 PM
Why do you think that a dozen years ago or whatever it was that I adopted the screen name of Napoleon, which is for the character out of George Orwell's Animal Farm. This text from that book comes at the very end when the farm animals are looking in through a window as the pigs that lead them meet with some humans, who had not been on the farm since the animals revolted:
Said with no sarcasm intended: My god Im LMAO..this is totally brilliant!!!!! You rock!
Don Quixote
06-03-09, 01:26 PM
Here is the illustration from Nappy's excerpt from Animal House:
http://www.foytracing.com/AJFoyt/photos/AJ&BigSandwch.jpg
Napoleon
06-03-09, 01:35 PM
Here is the illustration from Nappy's excerpt from Animal House:
Hey, is he eating pork product? Being that I am a pig, I don't like the idea of ending up in his belly.
Napoleon
06-03-09, 01:42 PM
Said with no sarcasm intended: My god Im LMAO..this is totally brilliant!!!!! You rock!
Thank you.
The whole idea with my name is that Tony George = Napoleon from the book. When I was searching for the quote from the book I posted above I ran into the below quoted analysis on the character of Napoleon from a site called SparkNotes that appears affiliated with Barnes & Noble which is almost better then the qoute I used above (at least the first paragrah which is most relevent), if you are thinking of what TG has done to the sport over these past years.
Napoleon
From the very beginning of the novella, Napoleon emerges as an utterly corrupt opportunist. Though always present at the early meetings of the new state, Napoleon never makes a single contribution to the revolution—not to the formulation of its ideology, not to the bloody struggle that it necessitates, not to the new society's initial attempts to establish itself. He never shows interest in the strength of Animal Farm itself, only in the strength of his power over it. Thus, the only project he undertakes with enthusiasm is the training of a litter of puppies. He doesn't educate them for their own good or for the good of all, however, but rather for his own good: they become his own private army or secret police, a violent means by which he imposes his will on others.
Although he is most directly modeled on the Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin, Napoleon represents, in a more general sense, the political tyrants that have emerged throughout human history and with particular frequency during the twentieth century. His namesake is not any communist leader but the early-eighteenth-century French general Napoleon, who betrayed the democratic principles on which he rode to power, arguably becoming as great a despot as the aristocrats whom he supplanted. It is a testament to Orwell's acute political intelligence and to the universality of his fable that Napoleon can easily stand for any of the great dictators and political schemers in world history, even those who arose after Animal Farm was written. In the behavior of Napoleon and his henchmen, one can detect the lying and bullying tactics of totalitarian leaders such as Josip Tito, Mao Tse-tung, Pol Pot, Augusto Pinochet, and Slobodan Milosevic treated in sharply critical terms.
oddlycalm
06-03-09, 03:46 PM
if you are thinking of what TG has done to the sport over these past years.
Utterly corrupt opportunist, tyrant and despot are certainly accurate descriptions of TG.
oc
Methanolandbrats
06-03-09, 04:09 PM
He's an idiot and a puppet, nothing more. To be a despot you have to have intelligence of an evil nature and rise to power. George was BORN in power and remained there a very long time despite his stupidity, that is the amazing part of this story.
oddlycalm
06-04-09, 06:01 PM
Gordon Kirby's take
On TG's neutering and the future (http://www.gordonkirby.com/categories/columns/theway/2009/the_way_it_is_no186.html)
oc
Andrew Longman
06-05-09, 10:42 AM
Gordon Kirby's take
On TG's neutering and the future (http://www.gordonkirby.com/categories/columns/theway/2009/the_way_it_is_no186.html)
oc
He will have to focus every ounce of his energy and management ability on recreating Indy car racing both technically and commercially, a very tall order which would ask a lot of the most talented and motivated man or woman.
Amid this tangled web the Hulman-George family are right to worry about their future and their legacy, too.
True dat
Methanolandbrats
06-05-09, 10:47 AM
The HG clan should relax. No point in getting all worked up AFTER everything has been run into the ground.
JLMannin
06-05-09, 04:54 PM
He will have to focus every ounce of his energy and management ability . . . . . .
I'm guessing that his management ability is tapped out each day by the time he takes his morning leak.
Insomniac
06-05-09, 10:48 PM
True dat
Good luck. Racing is simply too expensive. They can't go back to a time where there were little rules because of safety concerns. How do they drive down costs and bring in more manufacturers?
Good luck. Racing is simply too expensive. They can't go back to a time where there were little rules because of safety concerns. How do they drive down costs and bring in more manufacturers?
Would it be possible to have a common tub that passes all the safety checks and allow different chassis makers to hang all the external bits off it?
opinionated ow
06-06-09, 11:09 PM
Good luck. Racing is simply too expensive. They can't go back to a time where there were little rules because of safety concerns. How do they drive down costs and bring in more manufacturers?
Consistency in regulations. F3 rules are the same for 3 years, personally I think it should be 5. European series mandate a minimum crashworthiness and check all cars prior to homologation. IRL should do thee.
oddlycalm
06-08-09, 03:39 PM
No point in getting all worked up AFTER everything has been run into the ground.
That's right, they own it, it's their very own personal pool of steaming hog diarrhea out there for the whole world to see. :laugh: In an age of epic failure it's gotta feel nice to be considered a world class... :thumbup:
oc
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