View Full Version : Ladies, gentlemen, and transgendered souls; start your Dallaras!
If you guys think that is crazy, check this out: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81386
:saywhat: :rofl: :shakehead
Sean O'Gorman
02-10-10, 04:08 PM
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/comment/12/2010/02/56b8f176c99dafdce93548932c71714b/340x.jpg
Andrew Longman
02-10-10, 05:15 PM
it's for real
At least there are presumed engineering reasons for the design, if Bowlby is to be believed and he's pretty credible.
Indycar is so dead might as well start completely from scratch with a rationale that has little or nothing to do with Indycar traditions or assumptions. Gotta grow a new fan base and mfr interest anyway.
Sean Malone
02-10-10, 05:38 PM
At least there are presumed engineering reasons for the design, if Bowlby is to be believed and he's pretty credible.
Indycar is so dead might as well start completely from scratch with a rationale that has little or nothing to do with Indycar traditions or assumptions. Gotta grow a new fan base and mfr interest anyway.
No doubt that the car choice that displays the biggest departure from the status quo will garner the most outside interest.
It's quite apparent that Indy Car is dead and that the 50 gomers on Track Forum and the former CART fans that hate the IRL will not magically create a rebirth based on a slightly better crapwagon.
If the IRL chooses this radical design, its because they do understand that this is the last gasp effort to survive.
Regarding the car...I won't believe that design will be able to perform up to, or surpass the current Indy Car until I see it. No side protection for the driver looks like an issue too.
Andrew Longman
02-10-10, 05:47 PM
No side protection for the driver looks like an issue too.
"How do we know it will be safe on an oval? Has it been crash tested? Its so light I doubt it will be sturdy enough?" :tony:
Accipiter
02-10-10, 05:59 PM
It's actually quite interesting when you read the specs. Maybe this is a direction race cars would have naturally taken if designers weren't so constrained by rules based in tradition. I applaud them for thinking outside the box.
Of course outside the box is a very ugly place!
^^^ Yup.
Despite my horror at the initial look at the thing, I find myself becoming more accustomed to it and appreciative of the effort it represents.
Bottom line: The current cars are overpowered but aerodynamically castrated. Innovation stopped so long ago because of high speeds. The game stopped being about going faster and became a competition between engineers whose greatest skill set was how best to thwart the intent of the rules.
This thing returns to the basics: ingenious design to go faster with less fuel.
Like the ugly girl with a great personality.
racermike
02-10-10, 06:57 PM
Delta wang
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/7947/ladiesman22578150.jpg
Not cool man, you dig?
WickerBill
02-10-10, 07:21 PM
Can someone explain to me my sudden urge to play Jarts?
it's for real :shakehead
http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/article/indycar-inside-the-delta-wing-project/
•Vehicle weight distribution is necessarily more rearward than traditionally seen with 72.5% of the mass on the larger rear tires
•80% of the aerodynamic downforce acts on the rear of the car
•Inline traction under acceleration through the rear tires is greatly enhanced by rearward weight and aerodynamic distributions
•Unique amongst today’s racing cars 60% of braking force is generated behind the center of gravity giving a dynamically stable response
Understeer, with the chance of a blowover. Grate.
If you guys think that is crazy, check this out: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81386
:saywhat: :rofl: :shakehead
"At this point we anticipate a complete car with engine will sell for $600,000."
Don't those fancy steering wheels cost $100k or so? $600,000, yeah, right.
opinionated ow
02-10-10, 08:08 PM
Batmobile meets top fueller. WTF were they smokin? Because it looks like the end result is a good time....
Don't those fancy steering wheels cost $100k or so? $600,000, yeah, right.
Dude, it'll be made out of paper,,,,,,, :gomer:
-Kevin
With that narrow front track and talk of 235 mph I'd say we're talking oval only. Just imagine that thing at the Long Beach hairpin.
rosawendel
02-10-10, 09:18 PM
there isn't a single thing about the appearance of that car that would get me to buy a ticket, or tune in on the tele. it's just another flavor of ugly.
i liked it better when i thought it was a joke.
Sean Malone
02-10-10, 09:23 PM
With that narrow front track and talk of 235 mph I'd say we're talking oval only. Just imagine that thing at the Long Beach hairpin.
Yep. That thing will turn like a top fuel dragster.
datachicane
02-10-10, 09:25 PM
With about 2" between the front wheels and the bodywork, this thing will either have a 3/4 mile turning radius or some exceedingly exotic variable-track suspension geometry.
At least we know where Bowlby got his inspiration, ca. 1972:
http://inlinethumb54.webshots.com/44213/2639542410039511390S600x600Q85.jpg
Sean Malone
02-10-10, 09:28 PM
...
i liked it better when i thought it was a joke.
:D
Methanolandbrats
02-10-10, 09:46 PM
http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/article/indycar-inside-the-delta-wing-project//P2/
Just grate. A hideous POS that is down on power and a selling point is that it gets 12 mpg. We are getting closer and closer to the day when racing is about Green bullsheet and fuel economy. How about a Prius Cup as a support series.:yuck:
Speed.com has a Youtube piece w/RM's report showing a Mid-Ohio Delta Wing race simulation. Man, drivers would have to rethink putting the front tires up on the curbs...the rears might be in the grass!:eek: Gives new meaning to the old road racing term "point and squirt?" Some of those 1st rear engine pre-Can-Am sportscars turned like crap then rocketed to the next corner! Maybe NHRA can be a feeder series!:)
oddlycalm
02-10-10, 10:50 PM
Very entertaining. :D If it were anyone other than Bowlby it wouldn't be taken seriously, but he is impossible to dismiss. There are people at IMS that wet themselves in fear over this and that gives me great pleasure. :thumbup:
Particularly the part where this has driven a heavy wedge between some team owners and Brainfart. You gotta love the fact that he is (and clumsily obviously) shoveling all the delta wing info to Dallara. So, instead of just offering their son-of-lawn-dart 2.0 design they offer a plan B & C. This idiot hasn't yet woken up to the fact that with TG gone taking a hard line against the teams is like pissing into a strong wind.
I would consider a good outcome a grid where there were some lawn darts, some top fuelers and a few batmobiles. How could that be worse...? :gomer: If Brainfart is a mid-season casualty better yet.
oc
Michaelhatesfans
02-10-10, 11:00 PM
I would consider a good outcome a grid where there were some lawn darts, some top fuelers and a few batmobiles. How could that be worse...? :gomer: If Brainfart is a mid-season casualty better yet.
oc
You know, in all honesty, if this were the Indy 500 as it used to be, someone rolling this off of a truck in the garage area would have been the greatest story of the month - I wouldn't have missed a lap.
But this is just a kick in the balls.
Inovation used to be celebrated, now it's enforced, which completely misses the goddamned point. Seeing something like this going up against conventional cars would have been great fun. A full field of them with different paint patterns is a gimmick, at best.
stroker
02-10-10, 11:22 PM
Just another spec series piece o' crap...
DagoFast
02-11-10, 12:54 AM
You know, in all honesty, if this were the Indy 500 as it used to be, someone rolling this off of a truck in the garage area would have been the greatest story of the month - I wouldn't have missed a lap.
But this is just a kick in the balls.
Inovation used to be celebrated, now it's enforced, which completely misses the goddamned point. Seeing something like this going up against conventional cars would have been great fun. A full field of them with different paint patterns is a gimmick, at best.
Winner winner, chicken dinner.
chop456
02-11-10, 02:42 AM
It's NOT a joke? :eek::laugh::laugh::laugh:
As if the Dallara Spinemelter 2000(TM) wasn't tail happy enough. I hope they put a big spike on the back so once it goes into the safer barrier, it just sticks there instead of careening all over the track. :gomer:
SurfaceUnits
02-11-10, 03:43 AM
Good grief that is ugly :eek:...what is the fascination with building the longest nose-cone in auto racing?
the gomer pilots have a tendancy to drive them nose first into the nearest barrier
Napoleon
02-11-10, 09:42 AM
At least we know where Bowlby got his inspiration, ca. 1972:
My brother and I use to have one of those. I had totally forgotten about it.
robot9000
02-11-10, 09:49 AM
Okay, so we know Miller is big on this, and there is some rumblings that the Paddock is upset with Barnhart for dragging his feet, and not digging the Deltawing (I don't blame him. Yes, it hurt to type that).
Who we are NOT hearing from are Ganassi, Penske, Andretti, Kalkoven, etc.
What are the owners feelings about this dart? I have a hard time believing that Penske would think that car is a good idea. But I can see him using that to get Barnhart off his ass and forcing him to let the owners have some say in the next car.
So that's it then?
The Pruett article is a good read but he's wrong about the state of open wheel racing. AOW is NOT big time. AOW is swirling around the drain. Rodeo Randy found his level.
You see this pump and dump P.R. a lot in minor league circles. There's never enough money to make any of the dreams into realities. But it brings in the fresh marks (owners and venues) who can be ruthlessly bilked for 2-3 seasons.
Cheap and Rog aren't down with that... but so what?
In '78 CART could leverage the 500 and grow organically along with cable TV. Now? Dropping $10-15 BILLION over the next 10 years might get an open wheel series to break even.
Can :saywhat: hustle enough dupes willing to fork over their kids inheritance to keep it from imploding? Not without looking at some serious jail time. This horse is dead.
oddlycalm
02-11-10, 02:53 PM
You know, in all honesty, if this were the Indy 500 as it used to be, someone rolling this off of a truck in the garage area would have been the greatest story of the month - I wouldn't have missed a lap.
But this is just a kick in the balls.
Inovation used to be celebrated, now it's enforced, which completely misses the goddamned point. Seeing something like this going up against conventional cars would have been great fun. A full field of them with different paint patterns is a gimmick, at best.
Absolutely right, couldn't agree more. Best thing they could do right now, and the least expensive to the teams, would be to open up the tech regs to allow a wide range of equipment, but they won't because the the IMS stills owns the show.
Where I was coming from is that as long as the EARL exists in it's current form nothing else will. Until the Tony toadies are sent packing the same dopey atmosphere will exist and the same stupid decisions will get made.
Clown cars and everybody at each others throats just gets there faster in my view, and provides some sick entertainment. Without TG and his bankroll to protect them Brainfart and the rest of the remaining sycophants that helped perpetrate the idiocy that is the EARL are facing the buzzsaw of people they have been giving the shaft to for the last 15yrs.
Rodeo Randy may be a magician that can right the ship, but he's not going to get anything done by opposing the teams or the people that understand how the work gets done.
oc
Best thing they could do right now, and the least expensive to the teams, would be to open up the tech regs to allow a wide range of equipment
Sadly I don't think there more than a handful of teams that are capable of chassis building, mods, etc. now technically or financially. Those days are over. :(
-Kevin
I taught at Butler in those days.
You know, at this stage of the game, why not just send out a body kit from an '86 March and tell the designers to work within that? The Speed Racer crap isn't doing it for me.
http://www.txchange.com/mears86.jpg
Hard Driver
02-11-10, 07:59 PM
it's for real :shakehead
http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/article/indycar-inside-the-delta-wing-project/
Key quote:
BOWLBY: “The breakthrough was bringing the front wheels close to the center line of the chassis. This avoided the sports car look when shrouding the wheels for drag reduction ....... By fairing the wheels there’s a huge gain in efficiency and a fantastic safety improvement from a contact standpoint.
So basically what he says is that the form follows function really means.
1) They decided to "Shroud" and "Fairing" the wheels of an open wheel car.
2) So as a result, they decided this funny design was the only way to keep it from looking like a sports car.
So in reality they wanted this:
http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop/200703/audi-r10-tdi---recor-1_460x0w.jpg
But decided that since that was taken, they would instead make it look ridiculous to avoid looking like an ALMS car.
Personally. I would have just preferred if they talked to the ALMS series and asked if they could use their cars.
Personally. I would have just preferred if they talked to the ALMS series and asked if they could use their cars.
Amen. :(
-Kevin
Porsche and Audi? :laugh:
http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/1899/penskesunocodeltawingteeaj.jpg
This is the car hate built. May it circle Indy forever. :tony:
Methanolandbrats
02-11-10, 10:39 PM
So they are trying to save open wheel racing by building a POS with the wheel covered up. Makes perfect sense.
^^^ Gnam :rofl::laugh::rofl::laugh::rofl:
datachicane
02-12-10, 01:08 AM
May it circle Indy forever. :tony:
Well, maybe it won't circle forever:
http://www.icanfixupmyhome.com/images/ProperlyFlushingToiletSte.jpg
Rather than ending with a bang or a whimper, AOWR seems destined to end with a gurgle and a whoosh.
WickerBill
02-12-10, 06:51 AM
If you look at the pictures from above, the bodywork doesn't go far enough out to prevent any sort of wheel-on-wheel touching; it seems that if two cars ("cars", ahem) are right next to each other, they could still easily touch rubber.
In that case, just imagine the liftoff potential this vehicle has:
1. No weight in the front at all
2. Power at the rear
3. Aerodynamically sound -- for a missle
I hereby nickname it the Scud. It's a very good thing the grandstands will be mostly empty, or there would be serious gomer bloodshed.
I hope they put a big spike on the back so once it goes into the safer barrier, it just sticks there instead of careening all over the track. :gomer:
They should call EMCO and get the original backbreaker gearbox back.
Rogue Leader
02-12-10, 08:35 AM
In all seriousness... theres no way that thing will ever get built. I just can't fathom the stupidity behind building something like that. It looks like something from a bad video game.
It has to be something just to stir ****.....:irked:
High Sided
02-12-10, 08:50 AM
the end is near :gomer::yuck::gomer:
http://ballyhooligan.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/toilet_overflow.jpg
Sean Malone
02-12-10, 10:29 AM
I hereby nickname it the Scud.
:rofl::rofl::rofl:
I hereby nickname it the Scud. It's a very good thing the grandstands will be mostly empty, or there would be serious gomer bloodshed.
Perhaps this contraption...I refuse to call it a car...solves NASA's dilemma. What kind of payload can it carry? :gomer:
-Kevin
Don Quixote
02-12-10, 11:15 AM
"Scud" is perfect. Trademark it WB. :thumbup:
Gnam +1
I just can't fathom the stupidity behind building something like that. It looks like something from a bad video game.
Kalkhoven went on about the 18-35 demographic and tied it to some buzz word slaw (oooh he said "open source"). Presumably that's what they're hearing from the marketing and TV folks who bother to return their calls. How did that mutate into something that appeals to the pre-school set and Franklin Ratliff? Just another day in AOW, baby. :laugh:
Chip Ganassi: "This is the concept we came up with. It was almost design by paranoia". :saywhat:
As an aside, why is KK hanging around? Do they still owe him money? Or is he angling for a front row seat at the estate sale?
Methanolandbrats
02-12-10, 12:10 PM
...
As an aside, why is KK hanging around? Do they still owe him money? Or is he angling for a front row seat at the estate sale?
Scumbags are forced to enjoy each others company because nobody else will hang out with them.
Chicago Auto Show
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2010/02/racecarschicago---01.jpg
Don't know whether to laugh or cry.....
It really bugs me to see the IZOD and IRL logos on a DP01. Are Chicagoans supposed to think IRL cars are really that sleek?
I think you need to cry. :cry:
Don't know whether to laugh or cry.....
I know. The mirrors are missing. :gomer: :saywhat: :( :cry:
-Kevin
It really bugs me to see the IZOD and IRL logos on a DP01. Are Chicagoans supposed to think IRL cars are really that sleek?
I think you need to cry. :cry:
Not to mention the Honda decal. WTF? :shakehead
Someone text Dale Coyne, NOW. A Panoz/Honda? There you have it folks, They DID buy up the old DP01s, struck a deal with Haas and Elan/Panoz, KK IS hanging around and....welll, you finish the story!:rofl:
cameraman
02-12-10, 05:08 PM
Getting back to that lawn dart, how the hell are they going to do the side by side racing when the driver has no earthly clue where the side of his car is? There's no reference point for the width of the car in the driver's field vision. It's absolutely idiotic.
rosawendel
02-12-10, 05:22 PM
Getting back to that lawn dart, how the hell are they going to do the side by side racing when the driver has no earthly clue where the side of his car is? There's no reference point for the width of the car in the driver's field vision. It's absolutely idiotic.
you need to become one with the car, grasshopper.
oooooohmmmmmmm
Getting back to that lawn dart, how the hell are they going to do the side by side racing when the driver has no earthly clue where the side of his car is? There's no reference point for the width of the car in the driver's field vision. It's absolutely idiotic.
Still there, still there, still there... :gomer:
-Kevin
oddlycalm
02-12-10, 09:00 PM
Getting back to that lawn dart, how the hell are they going to do the side by side racing when the driver has no earthly clue where the side of his car is? There's no reference point for the width of the car in the driver's field vision. It's absolutely idiotic.
Curb feelers...? :cool:
http://www.disaboomlive.com/photos/timpoindexter/images/90196/original.aspx
Why wait for your back to get broken in a noseover...? Here's an off-the-shelf solution for just $426,324.80.
Allegro Medical jet chair (http://www.allegromedical.com/wheelchairs-c540/jet-powered-concept-wheelchair-p557073.html)
oc
Curb feelers...? :cool:
Why wait for your back to get broken in a noseover...? Here's an off-the-shelf solution for just $426,324.80.
Allegro Medical jet chair (http://www.allegromedical.com/wheelchairs-c540/jet-powered-concept-wheelchair-p557073.html)
oc
practical, general-purpose sub-sonic everyday chair.:laugh:
High Sided
02-13-10, 12:22 AM
http://www.treehugger.com/toilet-overflowing-with-toilet-soap.jpg
Seriously, a Dale Coyne Panoz DP01 Honda IRL ChampCar and this is all the outrage we can bring? I'm going this week, what should I say on the big sign I plan to prop up next to it?
cameraman
02-13-10, 06:41 PM
Does it even have an engine in it? If it still has a Cossie in it Gerry will send out the repo crew.
Seriously, a Dale Coyne Panoz DP01 Honda IRL ChampCar and this is all the outrage we can bring? I'm going this week, what should I say on the big sign I plan to prop up next to it?
That's the sound of people not caring any more. It generated a head shake here but that was somewhat offset by the fact that it's still better looking than anything we normally see in this section of the forum.
grungex
02-14-10, 01:05 AM
I've got a big stack of these, http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa208/grungexx/Champcar_World_Series.jpg, maybe I can stick them all over the Coynemobile Wednesday evening when I'm at the show...
I've got a big stack of these, http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa208/grungexx/Champcar_World_Series.jpg, maybe I can stick them all over the Coynemobile Wednesday evening when I'm at the show...
While you're there, why not swap the signage with the Delta Wang booth? The crowds will love it, Dr. Panoz will be swamped with orders... problem solved.
http://danac.deviantart.com/art/Evo-New-Front-Engine-Indy-Car-27235593
I think these drawings were meant to be a joke, but If Indy Car racing needs something radical to regain momentum I think this is the direction to go.
Is Jim Hurtubise still around? Get him on the horn!
pkvracing12
02-15-10, 06:32 PM
http://www.indycar.com/news/?story_id=15759
The new Lola
So, one car with different wings and power for Indy Cars and Lights? There's a cost saver for ya. Let Swift do it with the .017, they're about there already.
extramundane
02-15-10, 11:40 PM
I hear they're pinning their hopes on this one. :gomer:
http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/5664/danicarconference.jpg
Sean Malone
02-15-10, 11:46 PM
I fast forwarded through Wind Tunnel where I caught Cheep saying that the Delta Wang was "half assed, half baked and half a turn on". I thought that was really weird.
Methanolandbrats
02-15-10, 11:51 PM
Good God, just shut the whole thing down. AOW went from high tech and well respected to something resembling a band of one-armed, blind monkeys hurling balls of **** in the hope someone will notice. Just pathetic.
WickerBill
02-16-10, 09:31 AM
I didn't see this posted -- Lola released their candidate yesterday.
http://cmsimg.indystar.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Dato=20100216&Kategori=SPORTS0107&Lopenr=2160346&Ref=AR&MaxW=580&MaxH=460&Q=100&Site=BG&MaxW=580&MaxH=600
Don Quixote
02-16-10, 09:52 AM
What is that musical instrument sticking out in front of the left rear wheel?
Methanolandbrats
02-16-10, 10:02 AM
Can't forget these beauties :yuck:
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=152512&id=52534855847
High Sided
02-16-10, 10:17 AM
this one's from bentley
sorry just a TFers rendering
http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/7592/bentley5v.jpg
http://i49.tinypic.com/j9ag7t.jpg
Add a Reynard-ish nosecone, plus a shark fin and front winglets and you get:
http://cmsimg.indystar.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Dato=20100216&Kategori=SPORTS0107&Lopenr=2160346&Ref=AR&MaxW=580&MaxH=460&Q=100&Site=BG&MaxW=580&MaxH=600
Hard Driver
02-16-10, 11:57 AM
Missed the rear bumper....
So even the Lola is putting on a bumper. It seems like the new design is supposed to be so that drivers can touch and bump each other....
Here, I have a new design.
http://stonycreekgokarts.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/gokarts4-001.jpg
DagoFast
02-16-10, 12:16 PM
Missed the rear bumper....
So even the Lola is putting on a bumper. It seems like the new design is supposed to be so that drivers can touch and bump each other....
Here, I have a new design.
http://stonycreekgokarts.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/gokarts4-001.jpg
It already has the new affordable Honda, perfect!
Michaelhatesfans
02-17-10, 02:37 AM
An American City Racing League car with the fenders cut out. Yeah, that'll put NASCAR on it's ear.
http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/7592/bentley5v.jpg
Is the new Lola supposed to be a "throwback" car? :\
http://www.sportscaradvisors.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/gil-de-ferran-indy-car.jpg
If they are going to waste time on a press release, surely they could do better than rehashing a design from over a decade ago.
As for engines, what about going to a single supplier like Judd or AER and give teams the choice of V-8 or turbo 4 like in ALMS? This wouldn't incite an arms race like having multiple manufacturers, so costs could remain low, but it could still make for interesting racing with multiple engine types.
Delta Wing Newsletter
from the smackforum:
Greetings!
Welcome to the first newsletter from DeltaWing. It has been quite an exciting seven weeks since we unveiled our car at the Chicago Auto Show on February 10th! It was amazing to see the crowd we had for that event -- and even more amazing is the response to the DeltaWing car and business model. Right after the launch, DeltaWing was the 35th most searched term on Google - a pretty incredible feat for anything!
We've got an important next step coming up on April 6 - our first wind tunnel test in Concord, North Carolina! Discovery Channel Canada will be filming for the hit show Daily Planet. Read all about it on our website: DeltaWing Announces First Wind Tunnel Test
Thank you for your continuing interest in DeltaWing. Your support and feedback is very much appreciated and we look forward to more exciting announcements in the near future.
All the best,
Bill Lafontaine
DeltaWing RacingCars
I thought filming a delta wang in a windtunnel was a misdemeanor obscenity charge? :p
Sean Malone
04-02-10, 09:09 PM
Delta Wing Newsletter
I thought filming a delta wang in a windtunnel was a misdemeanor obscenity charge? :p
I can't wait until they have one where the front wheels turn. :shakehead
TKGAngel
04-03-10, 08:52 PM
and even more amazing is the response to the DeltaWing car and business model. Right after the launch, DeltaWing was the 35th most searched term on Google
Not to be nitpicky with the good folks at Delta Wing, but Google Trends only shows the Top 20 search terms for any given day.
Swift offers up another concept:
http://www.cray.com/Assets/Images/products/swift/threequarter.jpg
Looks like a tarted up Atlantic chassis to me. Of course, I've been squawking about a 540 HP P2 engined Atlantic car for years... so it might just be me.
cameraman
04-04-10, 12:05 PM
That body has zero downforce & no adjustable anything on the front wing.:shakehead
That's OK. California needs the business, and 71% of respondents in INDIANA preferred the original Swift design over the Dallara. I guess that means the Wang or the Frenchies get it? I also think if Cotman's turbo-Atlantic idea for Lights was shot down by those fearing it would challenge the "big" cars in speed, perhaps somebody shrugged their shoulders and simply said lets DO a "Super Atlantic" and pitch it AS the big car!? Go Swift!
stroker
04-04-10, 03:41 PM
That thing looks to me like someone has been staring at a F-22 model too long...
oddlycalm
04-04-10, 06:02 PM
Aside from how pretty they are, it's somewhat interesting to see reactions to the Dallara produced for HRT. Geoff Willis has been publicly critical of both the basic build quality and design. Sounds like Dallara doesn't have an oar in the water.
"And I'm thinking just of the built quality, the design quality, the refinement of the design."
Willis disappointed in Dallara quality (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/82630)
oc
Aside from how pretty they are, it's somewhat interesting to see reactions to the Dallara produced for HRT. Geoff Willis has been publicly critical of both the basic build quality and design. Sounds like Dallara doesn't have an oar in the water.
oc
Dallara is probably in an IRL and spec series induced stupor. They haven't faced any significant competition in single-seaters in ages. Lola and Mygale have done little to press them at the bottom of the ladder in F3 and moving up through Indy Lights, Renault World Series, and GP2 it is all Dallara designed spec cars. In the IRL they have also been insulated from competition by the IRL rules which prevented G-Force/Panoz from effectively challenging them starting with the 2003 chassis regs, which are still in effect. No wonder Willis sees their "F1" chassis as sadly deficient -- they haven't had to work hard on a single-seater program in a competitive situation for almost a decade.
You have to ask what is in it for Dallara. It is not like they are going to sell eighty F1 cars in a year like they do with the F3 car.
oddlycalm
04-05-10, 02:15 PM
You have to ask what is in it for Dallara.
Maintaining a reputation of basic competency? The crappy build quality Willis refers isn't likely confined to the HRT.
oc
Steve99
04-05-10, 02:34 PM
That body has zero downforce & no adjustable anything on the front wing.:shakehead
I think you just use a heat-gun on the front wing and bend it to the shape you want. :)
Do the mirrors work? :gomer:
-Kevin
Maintaining a reputation of basic competency? The crappy build quality Willis refers isn't likely confined to the HRT.
oc
The biggest problem with the HRT Dallara is that the project was stopped and started multiple times then thrown together at the 11th hour. The second car wasn't even ready to run until Q1 in Bahrain and barely at that.
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