Ladies, gentlemen, and transgendered souls; start your Dallaras!

[pchall]

Three supposed renderings of Dallara proposals for 2012 ripped from a blog.

look here for the blog (http://planet-irl.com/2010/02/04/sneak-peak-2012-indycar-chassis-from-dallara/)

A "swoopier" version of the current crapwagon:

http://planet-irl.com/images/Dallara1.jpg

Something that looks like a Transformer™ version of the 2003 Panoz née G-Force:

http://planet-irl.com/images/Dallara2.jpg

And a full-on retro '77 Coyote:

http://planet-irl.com/images/Dallara3.jpg

[dando]

No mirrors? :gomer: ;)

-Kevin

[G.]

No mirrors? :gomer: ;)

-KevinThey didn't work.

[Duroc]

I'm assuming the Hotwheels licensing fees get paid even if they never turn a wheel.

[pchall]

I'm assuming the Hotwheels licensing fees get paid even if they never turn a wheel.

The IRL will still owe Mattel a fortune when in bankruptcy...

[Methanolandbrats]

Planet IRL's "about us" is extremely offensive. They should all be loaded into a boxcar and taken away. :yuck:

[oddlycalm]

They use words like "pizazz" on that website. Is it suddenly 1952 again...??? :gomer:

oc

[Elmo T]

Notice that the “fin” is back on the engine cowling as well. It’s going to take a LOT of $$$$$$ to remove IZOD’s logo from that location!!

Really? :rolleyes:

[Don Quixote]

Which of those 3 designs will fly the farthest? :gomer:

[Sean Malone]

I have a mental picture of that computer geek the South Park gang tangled with in the World of Warcraft episode, whipping up dozens of these 'prototypes' in his warezed 3D software.

[Michaelhatesfans]

You know, at this stage of the game, why not just send out a body kit from an '86 March and tell the designers to work within that? The Speed Racer crap isn't doing it for me.


http://www.txchange.com/mears86.jpg

[chop456]

Too bad that the single, smartest decision that would do them the most immediate good would require the idiots to swallow their pride.

And it'll never happen.

[TrueBrit]

Good grief that is ugly :eek:...what is the fascination with building the longest nose-cone in auto racing?

[ChampcarShark]

Aerodynamics????
better crashes by lifting the car in front????

[devilmaster]

i'll put my personal bias aside, and try to look objectively at the three cars. Take the sidepods, middle section and engine cowling of the first car, a shortened version of the nose from the second car, and the rear wing and rear wheel protectors from the third car and you might have something.

The rear wing assembly some might question me on, but i will always like the idea of trying to avoid the wheel on wheel contacts that sometimes send someone airborne.

And if we can avoid the barn door wing with what the third pic has, and make the front wing the old reynard speedway wings, they might have something I'd like to see turn a wheel.

[G.]

i'll put my personal bias aside, and try to look objectively at the three cars. Take the sidepods, middle section and engine cowling of the first car, a shortened version of the nose from the second car, and the rear wing and rear wheel protectors from the third car and you might have something.

The rear wing assembly some might question me on, but i will always like the idea of trying to avoid the wheel on wheel contacts that sometimes send someone airborne.

And if we can avoid the barn door wing with what the third pic has, and make the front wing the old reynard speedway wings, they might have something I'd like to see turn a wheel.


http://www.actualidadmotor.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/homer-mobile.jpg



:)

[NismoZ]

AND...made in Speedway Indiana! Dallara offers a pretty strong incentive there. Hell, Swift is WAAAY out in California, probably violating The League's mandate that the car be made in the US. Lola wouldn't do that, would they? The way I see it, it's Dallara or Delta.:yuck:

[NismoZ]

When I saw that last red one the first thing that came to mind was "Mickey Thompson, '64." Horrible memories.

[Michaelhatesfans]

A "swoopier" version of the current crapwagon:

http://planet-irl.com/images/Dallara1.jpg



I didn't like the original version. The pointy nose certainly doesn't help.

http://www.racine.ra.it/icbiagio/Ferrari/F1/1996_F310.jpg

[G.]

There's more angles, if you're interested (http://planet-irl.com/2010/02/05/more-images-of-2012-designs-from-dallara/)

None of them seem too repulsive, tbh, but I do not like the dallara dart nose on the first one.

[Don Quixote]

Egads.

http://planet-irl.com/images/Dallara3_3.jpg

[Gnam]

^ they moved the boat anchor from the back to the nose. ;)

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/7448/anchorbrassdoorknocker1y.jpg

[Gangrel]

...nevermind...

[SteveH]

It won't make any difference at all.

[G.]

It won't make any difference at all.

It's the start of The Split, Part 2!

:D

[Napoleon]

Good grief that is ugly :eek:...what is the fascination with building the longest nose-cone in auto racing?

I have a feeling Dr. Freud could answer that question.




Egads.

http://planet-irl.com/images/Dallara3_3.jpg

I will offer one defense of that design and that is that it dramatically lowers the chance of a really bad launch. When I raced FV there were several designs, and drivers who on their own, would add a kind of bump bar/cow catcher in front of the back wheel to force any wheel from another car off to the side. They were very effective.

[pchall]

I will offer one defense of that design and that is that it dramatically lowers the chance of a really bad launch. When I raced FV there were several designs, and drivers who on their own, would add a kind of bump bar/cow catcher in front of the back wheel to force any wheel from another car off to the side. They were very effective.

That rendering is just half a dozen square feet of carbon fibre away from being a P1 car.

[stroker]

Egads.

http://planet-irl.com/images/Dallara3_3.jpg

It looks a lot like that early 80's Eagle that Mosley ran, to me...

http://www.lsresincars.com/file/images/e1.jpg

[G.]

Don't know if it's worth another thread.

Swift car idea.

http://www.indycar.com/news/2010/series/images/swift-inside-02082010.jpg

Over at indycar.com

[dando]

Swift car idea.


Those mirrors will never work. :gomer:

-Kevin

[Sean Malone]

So all of these mocks ups seemingly use a forced induction engine. Has that decision already been made?

[Andrew Longman]

I don't think there is any effective way to get people excited about a spec chassis. Variety and innovation is what this sort of racing is about. Period.

I also don't think there is any way anything but a spec chassis is going to work economically, and probably not even then.

I will say, regrettably, that they probably need something that looks modern and noticeably different from current/historical Indycar designs. That makes a vote for the Hot Wheels styling.

That all said, take the nose off #2 and put it on #1 and I won't cringe.

I love the complaints at the usual places about not having more space for sponsors. That's not the problem with ICS. The problem is no one is watching. I'd also say the series needs (and CCWS needed it too) is they need a marketing function which can work with sponsors to design the livery to optimize the shape of the car and pull the entire design together. NASCAR does that and it avoids having patchwork designs as well as partially painted cars. Each car is a reflection on the sport and needs to look finished and good.

[oddlycalm]

I don't think there is any effective way to get people excited about a spec chassis. Variety and innovation is what this sort of racing is about. Period.

I also don't think there is any way anything but a spec chassis is going to work economically, and probably not even then.

Agreed on all counts. After the annual dead cat bounce in May I expect things to get real quiet for the league. New car in the future fantasies aren't going to help them survive what looks to be a very bleak season.

oc

[Elmo T]

I know that interlocking wheels has occasionally occurred, but is that really one of the biggest problems with the current chassis configurations? I could think of 10 other things I'd be changing before interlocking wheels would pop up. :confused:

[EVL29]

Don't know if it's worth another thread.

Swift car idea.

http://www.indycar.com/news/2010/series/images/swift-inside-02082010.jpg

Over at indycar.com



That's like an open-wheeled Mach5.

[Mr. Vengeance]

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/7744/200320batmobile20leif20.jpg (http://img46.imageshack.us/i/200320batmobile20leif20.jpg/)

[Hard Driver]

Hey, I've got a great design.... affordable to.

http://paddocktalk.com/news/html/modules/ew_filemanager/06images/CCWS/06/dp01launch/dp01-side.jpg

http://paddocktalk.com/news/html/modules/ew_filemanager/06images/CCWS/06/dp01launch/dp01-side-fonrt.jpg

[oddlycalm]

Hey, I've got a great design.... affordable to.
Sorry sir, that looks too much like a race car and not enough like the cartoon fantasy of a 14yr old wanker which is our target demographic...:\

oc

[Duroc]

Hey, I've got a great design.... affordable to.

Nice car. But it doesn't drum up any noise in the echo chamber. Which is key in IMS\IRL management circles.


I also don't think there is any way anything but a spec chassis is going to work economically, and probably not even then.

This. A carbon fiber monocoque isn't financially viable for IRL teams. Spec or not.

I doubt a tube frame design would bend the cost curve enough.

Maybe race-a-wreck.

[Accipiter]

If all this is just leading to another single chassis, single engine spec, then why not just go with the GP2 car instead and give the series at least a little relevance?

[Andrew Longman]

If all this is just leading to another single chassis, single engine spec, then why not just go with the GP2 car instead and give the series at least a little relevance?

What's GP2? Did Donnie Beechler race that? :tony:

[Indy]

I know that interlocking wheels has occasionally occurred, but is that really one of the biggest problems with the current chassis configurations? I could think of 10 other things I'd be changing before interlocking wheels would pop up. :confused:

I am thinking that since the "trying to be the open wheel NASCAR" thing has worked so well for them, they have decided to make it even more like NASCAR. Rubbin' is racin', baby.

[pchall]

I have a feeling Dr. Freud could answer that question.

Pinocchio might suggest that the design is lying about how fast it can go.

[pchall]

But the BLAT AAR Eagle actually had aerodynamic reasons to look like it did. The Dallara renderings are just fantasies.


It looks a lot like that early 80's Eagle that Mosley ran, to me...

http://www.lsresincars.com/file/images/e1.jpg

[chop456]

Three different cars?


Don't know if it's worth another thread.

Swift car idea.

http://www.indycar.com/news/2010/series/images/swift-inside-02082010.jpg

Over at indycar.com

[oddlycalm]

Maybe race-a-wreck.
A return to the "junk" formula of the 30's....?

oc

[pchall]

Speed Racer goes openwheeling.

[Hard Driver]

Whoops, I forgot about the IRL target audience...

Here, I have a new idea, I am sure it would pack that stands at Indy..

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3137/3020330691_b83d9768cf.jpg

[Ozarkian]

A return to the "junk" formula of the 30's....?

oc

Not a return, but a continuation. They've been there for 14 years.

[Steve99]

If all this is just leading to another single chassis, single engine spec, then why not just go with the GP2 car instead and give the series at least a little relevance?

Maybe Key Liquidators could round up some A1GP chassis, although IRL couldn't afford the engines.

[Gnam]

as reported on smackforum...the Delta Wing has landed.
unreal. :eek:


http://i45.tinypic.com/znxau8.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4011/4344651957_006d250fbe_o.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2775/4344651973_27d1440916_o.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4020/4344652021_07a6fb42ac_o.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2731/4344656131_c040bac7c1_o.jpg
http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47a0dc28b3127ccef906cd971bce00000040O00AZsm7Jizbt2 IPbz4C/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D550/ry%3D400/

[The Doctor]

All I can think of is Eddie Cheever... fighter jets in a gymnasium.

[Don Quixote]

[eddie murphy] Get the f--- out of here! [/end eddie murphy] :shakehead :gomer:

[chop456]

:rofl::laugh::rofl::laugh::rofl::laugh::rofl: x http://avenefica.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/lemniscate.jpg

[Michaelhatesfans]

Good for Bonneville or a Don Garlits museum, and not much else. Can you imagine that bitch on a street course? Or turn one at Indy, for that matter. Seriously, are they holding their design meetings in a Dutch cafe, or what?

It's like everyone wants to beat Tony's record for how fast you can run the sport into the ground.

[nrc]

Holy crap.

[oddlycalm]

WTF...??? :confused::eek:

oc

[Napoleon]

Seriously, this is what they are going to propose? Any links?

[High Sided]

the pic's were posted here then removed...
http://www.16thandgeorgetown.com/

looking at the pic of the covered car to be unveiled today i'd say that aint it...
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_QRstYe4Q5Vs/S3ISy5kROUI/AAAAAAAAC6I/5gUvHoqWlpc/s1600-h/front.png

[emjaya]

the pic's were posted here then removed...
http://www.16thandgeorgetown.com/

looking at the pic of the covered car to be unveiled today i'd say that aint it...
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_QRstYe4Q5Vs/S3ISy5kROUI/AAAAAAAAC6I/5gUvHoqWlpc/s1600-h/front.png

I was about to post the same photo and say the same thing, but then I looked at the second photo and I wasn't sure.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_QRstYe4Q5Vs/S3HweiZQBgI/AAAAAAAAC6A/2RQ1hjYiidQ/s1600/delta.PNG


It's a Gimmick. It will get everybody talking about how stupid it is and ramp up the interest level, and then they will bring out the real 2012 car. I hope. To think we called the Dallara a lawn dart.

[Napoleon]

To think we called the Dallara a lawn dart.

Perfect!

[dando]

No mirrors? :gomer:

:saywhat: :yuck:

-Kevin

[rosawendel]

gotta be an intentional pre-launch distraction to stir the pot.

[tllips]

No mirrors? :gomer:

:saywhat: :yuck:

-Kevin


They wouldn't work anyway!

[Chief]

Marshall Pruett sez Battle lines are drawn (http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/article/pruett-triple-stint-29/)

The paddock wants a seat at the table – just like the F1 entrants did which resulted in the Concorde Agreement, and as the USAC entrants did which spawned Gurney’s White Paper. Whether you side with Labor or Management, history has shown us that if Labor doesn’t get what it wants, it tends to go elsewhere.

Unless the League has 20 cars and a whole new ownership base waiting in the wings, I’d recommend they pull out a chair and invite the Delta Wings to be seated.:eek:

That picture is a spoof.

[Elmo T]

Covered car looks wide at the front - though perhaps the front wheels will resemble the rear wheels of the old Spirit of America? Winged wheel shroud thingies?

That or the front looks similarly shrouded like the rear?

The funny thing is that we can't really say they wouldn't try to run that. :laugh:

[Don Quixote]

All of this drama to build up some kind of buzz. And guess what, nobody cares anymore. :tony:

[dando]

All of this drama to build up some kind of buzz. And guess what, nobody cares anymore. :tony:

Apathy Amplified. :gomer:

-Kevin

[Sean Malone]

$10 bucks says the 'real thing' is even worse. :gomer:

[Napoleon]

$10 bucks says the 'real thing' is even worse. :gomer:

You don't really believe someone here would take that bet, do you?

[NismoZ]

Huh, "SwiftLights" on the Swift entry to indicate brake and throttle position, fuel level and race position... for the fans. Open fairing, visible engine...interesting. I vote for Swift. So did 71% of fans in Indiana!:D

[Indy]

The Pimp went down to Indy
He was lookin' for a buck to steal
He was in a bind
'Cause he was way behind
And he was willin' to make a deal

When he came upon this dumb man
Braggin' on Dallara and sayin' what its got
And the Pimp jumped
Up on a hickory stump
And said Barnfart let me tell you what

I guess you didn't know it
but I'm a chassis designer too
And if you care to take a dare I'll make a bet with you

Now you have a pretty good crapwagon, boy
But give the Pimp his due
I'll bet a Borg Warner of gold
Against your soul
'Cause I think I'm better than you

The boy said my name's Brian
And it might be a sin
But I'll take your bet
And you're gonna regret
'Cause I'm the best there's ever been

Brian fire up your 'clave and beg to Honda hard
Cause hell's broke loose in Indy and the Pimp, he deals the cards
And if you win you get this shiny trophy made of gold
But if you lose the Pimp, he gets your soul.

The Pimp, he lifted up that sheet
At the Chicago Auto show
And fire flew from his fingertips
As the crowd observed the faux

Then he rolled the thing across the stage
And it made a turbo hiss
And a band of Fatassi's joined in
And it sounded something like this

[Instrumental]

When the Pimp finished
Brian said well you're pretty good old son
Just sit right in that chair right there
And let me show you how it's done

He played Fire in the Pagoda
Run boys, run
The Pimp's in the House of the Idiot Son
Josie in a bread pan picken' out dough
Mari does your dog bite
No child, no

[Instrumental]

The Pimp, he bowed his head
Because he knew that he'd been beat
And he laid the Spirit of America
On the ground at Brian's feet

Brian said, Roger just come on back
If you ever want CART again
I done told you once you boycottin' bitch
Indycars ain't got no fins

And he played Fire in the Pagoda
Run boys, run
The Pimp's in the House of the Idiot Son
Josie in a bread pan picken' out dough
Mari does your dog bite
No child, no

[Instrumental to end]


My apologies to Charlie Daniels. :gomer:

[datachicane]

Mari does your dog bite
No child, no


Owww!
That's not my dog.
:rofl:

[High Sided]

it's for real :shakehead
http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/article/indycar-inside-the-delta-wing-project/

[Don Quixote]

I still don't believe it. :rofl:

[Sean Malone]

they can use it for jumping the Snake River Canyon!

[dando]

Perhaps that was the cause of the shaker in Chitown last night. :gomer:

-Kevin

[Methanolandbrats]

Just imagine a full grid of that **** all painted different colors. It would look like a cheap dart set at Wal Mart. It's so bad it almost surely will be the new car. :rofl:

[Napoleon]

So that is what some of the owners are proposing?

[Indy]

Really this makes perfect sense. Our egos lead us to imagine that they have an interest in attracting us back, but they view that as a lost cause. They just want to make Indy a place of innovation again, and this radical departure could stimulate that. It's not a stock car, it's greener, it's more cost effective, it will allow better overtaking, and it will still go fast at Indy. Mission accomplished.

If it drives us away forever, they will see that as a bonus.

[Easy]

I was really excited for this but dear God that is stupid looking.

If the front wheel were a bit wider it wouldn't be quite as bad. Still, woof.

[Elmo T]

I'd love to see the turning radius of that thing. How much wheel travel can there really be in the front. And how tightly could it turn without getting light on one side?

[High Sided]

the game looks fun...
rah0RSIEVC8

[Easy]

I was just gonna post that Mid-O sim. That makes it even worse.

Can we really consider that design truly open wheel? Anyone care to dig through and interpret the FIA definition of an open wheel formula car?

[Sean Malone]

Not being an engineer, I still have to wonder if a small bump would completely unsettle such a narrow front end. Have they even driven this heap yet?

[Warlock!]

I'd love to see the turning radius of that thing. How much wheel travel can there really be in the front. And how tightly could it turn without getting light on one side?
Hey... they ain't racin' these babies at Monaco :rolleyes:

:D

[Napoleon]

In the video the thing looks not much bigger then an FV or something like that.

(Also that video really makes me miss racing at Mid-Ohio).

[Sean Malone]

In the video the thing looks not much bigger then an FV or something like that.

(Also that video really makes me miss racing at Mid-Ohio).

So they've track tested this thing? Video's are blocked here at the office.

[High Sided]

video is cartoon simulation

[Indy]

Here is a screenshot from the simulation, Sean.

http://www.ridelust.com/wp-content/uploads/ambig_gay_penis_mobile.jpg

[Elmo T]

Video makes me dislike it even more.

Maybe this is some tie-in with the new Tron movie. ;)

[Napoleon]

video is cartoon simulation

I think it has more of a video game feel to it then cartoon. Now this is a cartoon simulation of a race:

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/images/users/uploads/8558/WackyRacesWallpaper1024.gif

[stroker]

it's for real :shakehead
http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/article/indycar-inside-the-delta-wing-project/

Betcha Speed Report sets a new high for ratings this week....



Then again, I guess not...

[Sean Malone]

LOL!!!

[dando]

I'd love to see the turning radius of that thing. How much wheel travel can there really be in the front. And how tightly could it turn without getting light on one side?

Meh. Turning is overrated until after launch. :gomer:

-Kevin

[Elmo T]

http://i46.tinypic.com/w01c76.jpg

[Elmo T]

Meh. Turning is overrated until after launch. :gomer:

-Kevin

I just had to see the comments at TF - like the folks slowing to watch the clean-up after an accident.

Dude there says of course it will turn just fine - the folks that designed this are very smart people.

[Al Czervik]

The Pimp went down to Indy

<snip>

And he played Fire in the Pagoda
Run boys, run
The Pimp's in the House of the Idiot Son
Josie in a bread pan picken' out dough
Mari does your dog bite
No child, no

[Instrumental to end]


My apologies to Charlie Daniels. :gomer:

Epic!

:D:rofl::laugh::laugh::rofl::D

[Methanolandbrats]

With a front wheelbase that narrow it won't turn, I wonder if they thought of that?

[opinionated ow]

This is quite obviously from the WTF were they smoking files.