View Full Version : Oil Rig Explosion...Cause?
Don Quixote
05-20-10, 06:40 PM
Maybe I left off the :gomer:
Costner is compensated millions.
Do salvage rights apply to oil slicks?
The topic police have arrived and they have tazers.
my bad for setting that one off :D
that's some tasty lookin' water
http://video.foxnews.com/v/4209263/a-whole-industry-is-in-danger
http://inapcache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/oil_05_24/o02_23498001.jpg
chop456
05-24-10, 11:01 PM
^ Is that from Road Atlanta last September?
Brickman
05-25-10, 12:44 AM
Best explanation of accident.
http://news.spreadit.org/60-minutes-oil-spill/
Michaelhatesfans
05-25-10, 10:42 AM
The topic police have arrived and they have tazers.
Wasn't me this time!:laugh::thumbup:
JLMannin
05-25-10, 06:50 PM
The Wall Street Journal had a very good article about the rig explosion. They described what oil industry experts said should have been done at the conclusion of drilling the well and what BP/Transocean did.
Basically, Transocean had mudded the well, and the next step was to cement it to cap it off. At some point later, a production rig would have been moved into place. BP wanted the rig to move to another drilling location yesterday.
Transocean, under guidance from BP (according to Transocean), removed the mud and replaced it with seawater, which is much lighter. BP opines that Transocean did what they wanted to and did not follow BP's guidance. After Transocean replaced the mud with seawater, Haliburton was to then cement the well. Normally, the cementing is done with mud in place - cement is heavier than the drilling mud and will displace it. The well burped, that is, a gas bubble came up from 18,000 feet (5,000 foot riser and 13,000 foot well), and the rest is history.
devilmaster
05-25-10, 09:07 PM
Transocean, under guidance from BP (according to Transocean), removed the mud and replaced it with seawater, which is much lighter. BP opines that Transocean did what they wanted to and did not follow BP's guidance. After Transocean replaced the mud with seawater, Haliburton was to then cement the well. Normally, the cementing is done with mud in place - cement is heavier than the drilling mud and will displace it. The well burped, that is, a gas bubble came up from 18,000 feet (5,000 foot riser and 13,000 foot well), and the rest is history.
that definitely sounds like a quick synopsis of a three stooges sketch. except no funny ending.
http://twitter.com/BPGlobalPR
^ :laugh:
Maybe the guys from Whale Wars will start hunting oil rigs next season.
As of today -
The following is a synopsis of our daily response efforts:
Total response vessels: 1300
Containment Boom deployed: more than 1.85 million feet
Containment boom available: more than 300,000 feet
Sorbent boom deployed: more than 1.25 million feet
Sorbent boom available: more than 1.02 million feet
Total boom deployed: more than 3.1 million feet (regular plus sorbent boom)
Total boom available: more than 1.3 million feet (regular plus sorbent boom)
Oily water recovered: more than 11.1 million gallons
Surface dispersant used: approximately 700,000 gallons
Subsea dispersant used: approximately 140,000
Total dispersant used: approximately 840,000
Dispersant available: more than 380,000 gallons
Overall personnel responding: more than 20,000
AND... TOP KILL (http://www.deepwaterhorizonresponse.com/go/doc/2931/566759/) has started...
Needs some appropriate ominous theme music.
eiregosod
05-26-10, 04:45 PM
What's more frightening to me are the 'groups' who are using this to promote their anti-oil agenda. Of course what the US needs now is more legislation banning oil drilling so we can become even more dependent on foreign oil. :rolleyes:
dont worry, when the ecosystem of the gulf is dead because of this, then there's no barrier to drilling all over the gulf!
dont worry, when the ecosystem of the gulf is dead because of this, then there's no barrier to drilling all over the gulf!
Awesome! Now I can afford to drive over to the Shedd Aquarium to see fishies!
:gomer:
eiregosod
05-26-10, 05:44 PM
Awesome! Now I can afford to drive over to the Shedd Aquarium to see fishies!
:gomer:
whatever rocks your rig!
I thought an aquarium visit was already needed because of the dead zone in the Gulf pre beyond petroleum.
chop456
05-27-10, 07:40 AM
The current live ROV cam shot is someone's Mac screen saver. :gomer:
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/horizon-oil-spill.html
Updated information on flow rates here (http://www.deepwaterhorizonresponse.com/go/doc/2931/569235/).
Based on three separate methodologies, outlined below, the independent analysis of the Flow Rate Technical Group has determined that the overall best initial estimate for the lower and upper boundaries of flow rates of oil is in the range of 12,000 and 19,000 barrels per day.
Updated information on flow rates here (http://www.deepwaterhorizonresponse.com/go/doc/2931/569235/).
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/05/27/gulf.oil.spill/index.html?hpt=T1
As BP waited Thursday to determine the success of a risky attempt to cap a well in the Gulf of Mexico, government scientists said that possibly more than twice the oil had spewed than in the Exxon Valdez disaster, making the BP spill the largest in U.S. history.
:eek:
-Kevin
technicality, valdez wasn't **** compared to Ixtoc I, which did wash ashore up the TX coast. took 9 months to seal it w/ a relief well after the BOP stack failed and the "top kill" attempt w/ water & cement failed.
hrm, why does that sound familiar?
oh, and all at less than 200ft depth too.
I can't believe that BP CEO is saying "natural disaster" again on the Today Show. :saywhat:
NO - it is a man-made disaster causing damage to nature. NOT the same thing. :rolleyes:
http://i46.tinypic.com/30cx4kp.jpg
Just heard on ABC Nightly News that the amount of oil spilled into the Gulf so far is equivalent to 5 minutes consumption for the US.
Napoleon
05-30-10, 07:57 PM
Just heard on ABC Nightly News that the amount of oil spilled into the Gulf so far is equivalent to 5 minutes consumption for the US.
I caught that. People have no understanding of how much we use.
Opposite Lock
05-30-10, 09:00 PM
Just heard on ABC Nightly News that the amount of oil spilled into the Gulf so far is equivalent to 5 minutes consumption for the US.
That's an amazing factoid, and a bit depressing. But I like my reality dark. So thank you. :(:thumbup:
I caught that. People have no understanding of how much we use.
Or better, how much we waste.
I'm eagerly looking foward to coolhand's next lesson in his o&g production 301 course
http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2010/06/02/alg_oil_spill_dolphin.jpg
Here's what President Obama didn't see when he visited the Gulf Coast: a dead dolphin rotting in the shore weeds.
"When we found this dolphin it was filled with oil. Oil was just pouring out of it. It was the saddest darn thing to look at," said a BP contract worker who took the Daily News on a surreptitious tour of the wildlife disaster unfolding in Louisiana.
His motive: simple outrage.
"There is a lot of coverup for BP. They specifically informed us that they don't want these pictures of the dead animals. They know the ocean will wipe away most of the evidence. It's important to me that people know the truth about what's going on here," the contractor said.
The grasses by the shore were littered with tarred marine life, some dead and others struggling under a thick coating of crude.
"When you see some of the things I've seen, it would make you sick," the contractor said. "No living creature should endure that kind of suffering."
Queen Bess Island was the first place where fledglings were born when the beloved, endangered Louisiana brown pelicans were reintroduced in the 1970s. Their population rebounded and was finally declared stabilized in 2002.
Now their future is once again in doubt. In what had been such an important hatchery, hundreds of pelicans - their white heads stained black - stood sentinel. They seemed slow and lethargic.
"Those pelicans are supposed to have white heads. The black is from the oil. Most of them won't survive," the contractor said.
"That grass was green a few weeks ago," the contractor said. "Now look. ... This whole island is destroyed. How do you write a check for something like this?"
He said he recently found five turtles drowning in oil.
"Three turtles were dead. Two were dying and not dead yet. They will be," he said.
As the boat headed back amid the choppy waves, a pod of dolphins showed up to swim with the vessel and guide it to land.
"They know they are in trouble. We are all in trouble," the contractor said.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2010/06/02/2010-06-02_the_hidden_death_in_the_gulf.html
Multiple live feeds now available - I bet this is getting better rating than IRL. ;)
Multiple Live Feeds from BP (http://ht.ly/1TyoJ)
Multiple live feeds now available - I bet this is getting better rating than IRL. ;)
Multiple Live Feeds from BP (http://ht.ly/1TyoJ)
Looks like they're spending more time and effort on feeds than fixing the frigging leak. :saywhat:
-Kevin
Looks like they're spending more time and effort on feeds than fixing the frigging leak. :saywhat:
-Kevin
I am smelling a new reality show for the Fall.
Napoleon
06-03-10, 02:13 PM
Looks like they're spending more time and effort on feeds than fixing the frigging leak. :saywhat:
-Kevin
I am sure BP doesn't need me to defend them, but considering they can not get people down there and rely on the feeds I have a feeling its part and parcel of their effort and not a neat way for the engineers to waste time.
Anyways first link are some interesting graphics at NY Times of various aspects of the effort and the second is a newly released animation of the oil flow over the summer. It is not pretty.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/05/25/us/20100525-topkill-diagram.html?ref=us
http://www2.ucar.edu/news/ocean-currents-likely-to-carry-oil-spill-along-atlantic-coast
Looks like they're spending more time and effort on feeds than fixing the frigging leak. :saywhat:
-Kevin
need views to coordinate the fleet of ROVs
need views to coordinate the fleet of ROVs
crude pr0n. :gomer:
-Kevin
Opposite Lock
06-03-10, 11:47 PM
Multiple live feeds now available - I bet this is getting better rating than IRL. ;)
Multiple Live Feeds from BP (http://ht.ly/1TyoJ)
Saw that one elsewhere, but this one works better for me:
http://mxl.fi/bpfeeds2/ :mad:
Anyways first link are some interesting graphics at NY Times of various aspects of the effort and the second is a newly released animation of the oil flow over the summer. It is not pretty.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/05/25/us/20100525-topkill-diagram.html?ref=us
http://www2.ucar.edu/news/ocean-currents-likely-to-carry-oil-spill-along-atlantic-coast
http://www2.ucar.edu/sites/default/files/news/images/features/2010/oil_slick_map.jpg
:flame:
Opposite Lock
06-04-10, 01:05 AM
w00t! They seem to be implementing a blue hula-hoop strategy in the upper-right frame! :confused:
http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/1989/oilspillarraybluehulaho.jpg (http://img193.imageshack.us/i/oilspillarraybluehulaho.jpg/)
:irked:
chop456
06-04-10, 04:58 AM
Turns out the blue hula hoops are dispersant lines (from what I can tell by watching this for the last 4 hours :gomer: ).
Looks like they're trying to put the cap on right now.
High Sided
06-04-10, 01:57 PM
cap not doing so well...
http://www.ustream.tv/pbsnewshour
need the monkey knots and loops as grab points for ROV arms
cap not doing so well...
http://www.ustream.tv/pbsnewshour
They haven't started to close the vents on the thing yet. Or at least that was their story a bit earlier today.
http://inapcache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/oil_06_03/o05_23681817.jpg
micrometers
http://www.latimes.com/media/alternatethumbnails/photo/2010-06/54113049-04121320.jpg
http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/usa/images-2/duct-tape-rolls.jpg
U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service releases a cattle egret (http://ht.ly/1UeZm)
One down, just a few more to go. :shakehead
http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/usa/images-2/duct-tape-rolls.jpg
I'd punch you in the face if I wasn't laughing so hard right now
High Sided
06-04-10, 05:39 PM
this link keeps you updated with news ticker on the live feed and a gallon counter taboot (roughly 12gals per second)...
http://www.wkrg.com/gulf_oil_spill/spill_cam/
:flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame:
JLMannin
06-06-10, 09:25 PM
Wow. Just imagine if BP had managed to get that drilling rig off that well before is blew out.
Would we even know where all the oil was coming from without the explosion?
Napoleon
06-08-10, 01:26 PM
I just read that the rig was built by Hyundai.
Methanolandbrats
06-08-10, 02:47 PM
I just read that the rig was built by Hyundai.
That explains why it broke and nobody can fix it.
TrueBrit
06-08-10, 03:47 PM
I hope Mr "Kick some Ass" President seizes BP's assets and uses them to repay everyone that has lost their livelihoods due to this gross negligence..
BP will wind up killing an entire sea...and all they're concerned about is the G-D pr?:flame::mad:
They should have a contest.
Winner gets BP.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/leak_solution_Zw3RdLcmYcdsA4UAz6WMwM
Don Quixote
06-08-10, 05:30 PM
^ Oh brother.
Napoleon
06-08-10, 09:25 PM
On TV tonight U saw a O & G expert on who I was half listening to as I read who basically said that the fact that BP is not putting a second blow out protector over the first suggest they think they have a serious problem with the casing deep in the well which would mean it is not possible to cut it off except with the relief well. Also that means they have to be very careful or else all hell can break loose with the well.
He may have covered this and I missed it but that may explain something that has perplexed me. Every time they show how the cut off well would work they don't just show them drilling a few feet into the sea bed then diverting to the old well to minimize the time needed to get it done, but they show them going something like 5 or 10 thousand feet deeper to the bed before intercepting the old well bore. Could that be because they have to get under the seriously damaged casing in the well that they suspect exist.
pretty much that.
the wellbore is too mechanically compromised apparently so they cant risk the backpressure
Also that means they have to be very careful or else all hell can break loose with the well.
If this is the well under control, I would hate to see all hell breaking loose. :eek:
Opposite Lock
06-09-10, 08:44 AM
Another nearby spill?
http://blog.al.com/live/2010/06/another_gulf_oil_spill_well_ne.html
"only government-approved work long under way, not a second leak", an energy company said Tuesday (http://blog.al.com/live/2010/06/company_says_oil_sheen_from_oc.html) :saywhat:
Cue BP to say, "Well, we're denying your damages claim - that oil could have come form this other company's leak." :\
If this is the well under control, I would hate to see all hell breaking loose. :eek:
http://i49.tinypic.com/2gtrlmh.jpg
High Sided
06-10-10, 12:11 AM
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pr mageddon
http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/311942/june-08-2010/the-word---p-r--mageddon
.
This graphic (http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2010/gulf.coast.oil.spill/interactive/numbers.interactive/index.html)really puts it all into perspective. :(
Napoleon
06-18-10, 05:44 AM
If this is the well under control, I would hate to see all hell breaking loose. :eek:
This comment from dougr in this thread gives the hows and whys of the nightmare senerio.
http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6593#comment-648967
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20100618/bs_ynews/ynews_bs2709_2
A day after he was grilled by Congress, BP chief executive Tony Hayward is being demoted. According to Britain's Sky News, BP Managing Director Bob Dudley will take over day-to-day oversight of the Gulf of Mexico oil spill while BP's chairman Carl-Henric Svanberg (he of the "small people" comment) will assume major PR duties. (Yes, you read that right—the BP executive who famously expressed his compassion for "the small people" will be tasked with enhancing the company's public image.)
I don't know whether to :laugh: or :cry: or :shakehead or all three @ once. :saywhat:
-Kevin
I don't know whether to :laugh: or :cry: or :shakehead or all three @ once. :saywhat:
-Kevin
BP is rearranging deck chairs.
There is a call for Joe Barton (whose apologies are now like the double-dog dare :rolleyes:) to resign.
And both sides of the aisle are throwing barbs.
All the while, the oil continues to leak. :flame:
cameraman
06-18-10, 03:23 PM
All the while, the oil continues to leak. :flame:
Get used to it. It will be leaking until they get the relief wells done.
Get used to it. It will be leaking until they get the relief wells done.
Yea, I know - the leak is bad enough without the Kabuki theater. :rolleyes:
Napoleon
06-18-10, 04:03 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20100618/bs_ynews/ynews_bs2709_2
I don't know whether to :laugh: or :cry: or :shakehead or all three @ once. :saywhat:
-Kevin
That story manages to get it wrong. What he is said to have said is that Bob Dudley, the managing director of BP was taking over PR duties.
oddlycalm
06-18-10, 08:42 PM
This comment from dougr in this thread gives the hows and whys of the nightmare senerio.
http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6593#comment-648967
Comments from the people in the industry are scary. I though this take on the "speech that should have been given" was interesting. It will never happen of course because absolutely nobody anywhere wants to hear it.
The speech that should have been given (http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6615)
oc
so it goes...
NOAA Update: 6,179 square miles added to closed fishing areas in the Gulf, effective 6:00pm EDT today. This is a precautionary measure to keep seafood safe for consumers. The total closure is now 86,985 square miles, which is about 36% of the federal waters in the Gulf
Deepwater Horizon/BP Oil Spill: Federal Fisheries Closure and Other Information (http://ht.ly/21gWj)
Whoa...that map of the direction of the spill shows it's heading to ENGLAND!:tony:
oddlycalm
06-21-10, 03:34 PM
Whoa...that map of the direction of the spill shows it's heading to ENGLAND!:tony:
New innovation to keep shipping costs low...
oc
Napoleon
06-21-10, 03:59 PM
Over the weekend I was reading a story (I forget where) that this blowout is no where near the biggest one yet, which was a blow out in California in 1910 called the Lakeview Gusher that went on for something like a year and a half. They managed to salvage ½ the oil but the rest of it soaked into the ground or evaporated or ran off.
I heard this afternoon the the amount of oil so far would fuel all the cars in Las Vegas for a year. Which also would pollute the environment. So all BP is doing is just cutting out the middle man. :gomer:
Whoa...that map of the direction of the spill shows it's heading to ENGLAND!:tony:
Karma. :thumbup:
-Kevin
So, gonna be tough to sell the moritorium as a "jobs bill" here, but things are certainly looking up for Brazil.:rolleyes:
Also, wasn't the worst Gulf spill (so far) back in '79 but we really didn't pay much attention to it because all the oil washed ashore in Mexico?
I'm guessing Petrobras will be soon able to announce a large increase in their F-1 involvement. I wonder if Bernie is buying up stock?:)
Clean-up on page 12. Sorry guys, when you start talking ex-presidents it should be pretty evident that you're talking politics.
Page 12 and 4200+ views before the train left the tracks. :thumbup:;)
Page 12 and 4200+ views before the train left the tracks. :thumbup:;)
That's gots to be a record. :D :gomer:
-Kevin
Don Quixote
06-22-10, 10:19 AM
Page 12 and 4200+ views before the train left the tracks. :thumbup:;) Yep, but we all knew it was just a matter of time.
Napoleon
06-22-10, 01:15 PM
Interesting weekend NY Times piece on how poor BP is with safety in general. (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/19/business/19nocera.html?sq=nocera&st=cse&scp=2&pagewanted=print)
oddlycalm
06-22-10, 04:31 PM
Interesting weekend NY Times piece on how poor BP is with safety in general. (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/19/business/19nocera.html?sq=nocera&st=cse&scp=2&pagewanted=print)
Good article. After the last couple years it seems like the open question on the table should be what to do with business executives that wantonly ignore what should be obvious risk that ultimately leads to massive damage. As it is, unless they do something to pierce the corporate veil about all regulators can do is fine them. In the case of the investment banks we made them whole. In the case of BP it remains to be seen, but why should the rank and file employees suffer for the decisions and strategy of a few at the top?
oc
anyone in SE TX would have spoken of BP with derision long before this blowout, but my question is what continuity is there really between upstream & downstream ops in terms of leadership & directive other than "straight cash homey?" refining and e&p operations are 2 completely different worlds that happen to be under the same board of directors & parent company executives.
Page 12 and 4200+ views before the train left the tracks. :thumbup:;)
Well, it's actually run off a couple of times but we cleaned most of it up and what's left is hidden in the bushes.
Napoleon
06-22-10, 08:18 PM
. . . but my question is what continuity is there really between upstream & downstream ops in terms of leadership & directive other than "straight cash homey?" refining and e&p operations are 2 completely different worlds that happen to be under the same board of directors & parent company executives.
That is easy, the parent company execs set the tone and make it clear in one way or another what qualities and results in the people running those operations are going to be rewarded. And you know what, they could get across to those subordinates that they don't give a flip about safety and that maximizing return is all that is important without ever directly saying that and all the while maintaining an official policy that safety is number 1. I think that really is the central underlying premise of the story I link to above and something I have personally seen in my working life. I'll give you a longer explanation if you want about the above, but that is pretty much it.
yea, but I still don't see that in o&g which is 1000x more segmented & fractured than aero/defense, especially with the amount of acquisitions and niche service subsidiaries.
divisions in my companies are and have been worlds apart in culture. in the end, cost containment is always rewarded, it's not a unique goal
Wow... :shakehead
http://i45.tinypic.com/iljdpz.jpg
Oil Slick in the Gulf of Mexico (http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=44375)
Clean-up on page 12. Sorry guys, when you start talking ex-presidents it should be pretty evident that you're talking politics.
You can not discuss oil without involving a discussion of the limits we face as a society, which necessarily includes a discussion of leadership, which in the case of our country, means presidents.
In other words, no politics, no meaning. What's the point of all these hyper-intelligent people meeting here to discuss nothing?
In other words, no politics, no meaning. What's the point of all these hyper-intelligent people meeting here to discuss nothing?
I disagree. Politics reduces the meaningful to meaninglessness. It's a destructive force and it's not permitted here. We try to allow some room for policy discussions as long as they don't become political debates. The fact that so many people no longer understand that distinction is reflective of the underlying problem.
Also, wasn't the worst Gulf spill (so far) back in '79 but we really didn't pay much attention to it because all the oil washed ashore in Mexico?
it all washed ashore in TX and MX. The Kemp Ridley Turtle was pretty much wiped out as a result. The GOM was a legitimate dead zone in its wake, and TX was cleaning up the remains of Ixtoc I for the next decade.
You can not discuss oil without involving a discussion of the limits we face as a society, which necessarily includes a discussion of leadership, which in the case of our country, means presidents.
In other words, no politics, no meaning. What's the point of all these hyper-intelligent people meeting here to discuss nothing?
there's a diff between policy & leadership, and the leadership is politics. imo the hyper intelligent are the biggest ones at fault wrt bloviation
I disagree. Politics reduces the meaningful to meaninglessness. It's a destructive force and it's not permitted here. We try to allow some room for policy discussions as long as they don't become political debates. The fact that so many people no longer understand that distinction is reflective of the underlying problem.
That's rather presumptuous of you. I most certainly do understand the distinction, and in your context policy is precisely what I wish to discuss. I do not believe we can intelligently discuss the oil/energy situation of the U.S. without mentions of political figures, but I do not think that is "politics."
My point is that we can talk about oil without saying Jimmy Carter was a wussy or George Bush was an idiot. We can talk about the issues at a higher level of discourse than that.
Andrew Longman
06-23-10, 01:35 PM
Jimmy Carter was a wussy...
He actually had some pretty forward thinking energy policy. In fact he actually HAD and energy policy.
Let's see where this goes :gomer:
My point is that we can talk about oil without saying Jimmy Carter was a wussy or George Bush was an idiot. We can talk about the issues at a higher level of discourse than that.
Too often that's not the case. Nearly every time we let a discussion like that go on it eventually devolves to partisan politics, name calling, and personal attacks.
Political discussion has never been permitted here. We do our best to draw that line without eliminating vast areas of discussion. If anything we may have become too lax.
And that's the end of this digression.
He actually had some pretty forward thinking energy policy. In fact he actually HAD and energy policy.
Let's see where this goes :gomer:
I assure you that it will go nowhere.
oddlycalm
06-23-10, 02:25 PM
While we are at it we can discuss the religious implications as well.
What I believe, part 27....:gomer:
oc
W says "Yee haw, bitches!"
:tony:
W says "Yee haw, bitches!"
:tony:
That's not going anywhere, either.
Seriously folks. The topic is the oil leak in the gulf. If there's nothing else to say about it we can close the thread.
I have no sympathy for any oil soaked animal that had an aerial view.
Land somewhere else stupid!
Hey fish, quit making a fuss. You're in the ocean, just swim around the oil.
-Jim Norton
:laugh:
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