View Full Version : Oil Rig Explosion...Cause?
Andrew Longman
06-23-10, 02:59 PM
That's not going anywhere, either.
Seriously folks. The topic is the oil leak in the gulf. If there's nothing else to say about it we can close the thread.
No need to close it. We're just havin' some fun. At least I am. ;)
That's not going anywhere, either.
Seriously folks. The topic is the oil leak in the gulf. If there's nothing else to say about it we can close the thread.
just goofing, sorry :)
Don Quixote
06-23-10, 03:47 PM
just goofing, sorry :)Remember grasshopper, anti-Buckeye rhetoric is also not allowed. :D
Pensacola beach today (via cnn.com):
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Napoleon
06-23-10, 06:26 PM
Pensacola beach today
Scratch that off my possible vacation destinations for the year.
More seriously the last few years I have thought of going to New England in the fall and I really wanted to do it this year, but now am wondering, by fall would it be up there?
TKGAngel
06-23-10, 07:12 PM
Pensacola beach today
So sad. My cousin lives in Pensacola, and on Monday she posted photos on FB of entire schools of stingrays swimming along the shore in knee deep water.
Scratch that off my possible vacation destinations for the year.
More seriously the last few years I have thought of going to New England in the fall and I really wanted to do it this year, but now am wondering, by fall would it be up there?
Doubtful. The Gulf Stream doesn't go that far north (towards the US NE coast). Besides, you wouldn't want to be swimming in sub-70 water in the NE fall.
-Kevin
Andrew Longman
06-23-10, 08:52 PM
...by fall would it be up there?
The models I've seen put it as a near zero possibility it will reach the Jersey Shore this summer. NC maybe. Should blow out to sea and next make landfall in, you guessed it, Britain.
cameraman
06-24-10, 12:55 PM
Ouch. :eek: US District Judge Martin Feldman just hammered the Interior Department's ban on all off shore drilling at depths greater than 500 feet. He wrote a rather scathing decision:
http://www.laed.uscourts.gov/GENERAL/Notices/10-1663_doc67.pdf
He comes very close to calling Ken Salazar a liar in the decision and goes on to shred the policy.
The models I've seen put it as a near zero possibility it will reach the Jersey Shore this summer. NC maybe. Should blow out to sea and next make landfall in, you guessed it, Britain.
Correct. The Gulf Stream heads NE toward GB beyond the outer banks. Hence why the water temps are usually ~70 when we are in OCNJ in July/August. Headed there early there this year (7/10-7/24), so I'm sure it'll be a bit brisk in the water. :saywhat: :eek:
-Kevin
The models I've seen put it as a near zero possibility it will reach the Jersey Shore this summer. NC maybe. Should blow out to sea and next make landfall in, you guessed it, Britain.
There's enough greasiness at the Jersey Shore anyway! :)
I'm headed to the beach in Charleston, SC tomorrow - thankfully it's not affected either.
Napoleon
06-24-10, 01:35 PM
Besides, you wouldn't want to be swimming in sub-70 water in the NE fall.
I wouldn't want to be eating any seafood caught in it either.
There's enough greasiness at the Jersey Shore anyway! :)
Hey, Yo! Ovah hear! Der's free product in the watah over hear over there!
Napoleon
06-24-10, 01:41 PM
Ouch. :eek: US District Judge Martin Feldman just hammered the Interior Department's ban on all off shore drilling at depths greater than 500 feet.
Who would have expected a judge who has a financial interest in the outcome to rule in favor of the outcome that benefits him financially? (http://www.judicialwatch.org/jfd/Feldman_Martin_L_C/2008.pdf)
TrueBrit
06-24-10, 01:42 PM
Who would have expected a judge who has a financial interest in the outcome to rule in favor of the outcome that benefits him financially? (http://www.judicialwatch.org/jfd/Feldman_Martin_L_C/2008.pdf)
:thumdown::shakehead:thumdown::flame::gomer:
The judge's Transocean equity could've easily come from the spinoff from SLB
Ouch. :eek: US District Judge Martin Feldman just hammered the Interior Department's ban on all off shore drilling at depths greater than 500 feet. He wrote a rather scathing decision:
http://www.laed.uscourts.gov/GENERAL/Notices/10-1663_doc67.pdf
He comes very close to calling Ken Salazar a liar in the decision and goes on to shred the policy.
you have thousands of wells in the gulf, and you unilaterally shut them all down for one incident where the signs point to lack of adherence to procedure, not technological infeasibility.
not to mention moaning and groaning of loss of jobs from spill, but then go ahead and shut down the rest of the economic activity that remains as well.
liked Salazar alot in Colorado, but the ban reeks of political jockeying, and not his forte which is bridging the gap between industry & conservation instead of letting it get tangled in courts for years on end
Napoleon
06-24-10, 01:58 PM
By the way, just to show how BP operates, the order stopping off shore drilling has stopped everyone in the Artic (my understanding is that despite the order other oil companies are going to wait until it is finally resolved) but not BP.
They simply dumped a pile of gravel into the ocean 3 miles off shore and have claimed that the resulting artificial island is on shore (which the gov. is allowing), even though it is just as dangerous to operate from as a floating rig. (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/24/us/24rig.html?ref=us&pagewanted=print)
Napoleon
06-24-10, 01:59 PM
you have thousands of wells in the gulf, and you unilaterally shut them all down for one incident where the signs point to lack of adherence to procedure, not technological infeasibility.
Salazar's order only affected 33 of them.
I believe that's current rig count which fluctuates, the active discoveries is a much higher number
MMS shows 46 operations this year: http://www.gomr.mms.gov/homepg/offshore/deepwatr/Current_Deepwater_Activity.pdf
I wouldn't want to be eating any seafood caught in it either.
Chesapeake Bay crabs are all I eat off the east coast anyway.
-Kevin
US District Judge Martin Feldman
http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/4116/feldman.jpg
Napoleon
06-24-10, 03:02 PM
MMS shows 46 operations this year
I got my number off of someone on the radio talking about what it meant employment wise. 33 rigs, 140 to a crew, 2 crews to a rig (14 days on/14 days off for each), etc.
then there's the various field services contractors that come along during various phases of e&p work, offshore construction outfits, suppliers, supply ships, etc.
cameraman
06-24-10, 03:16 PM
you have thousands of wells in the gulf, and you unilaterally shut them all down for one incident where the signs point to lack of adherence to procedure, not technological infeasibility.
not to mention moaning and groaning of loss of jobs from spill, but then go ahead and shut down the rest of the economic activity that remains as well.
liked Salazar alot in Colorado, but the ban reeks of political jockeying, and not his forte which is bridging the gap between industry & conservation instead of letting it get tangled in courts for years on end
I actually agree with the Judge. Shutting down an entire segment of the energy economy because of BP's stupidity is not a viable response. Like the Judge said, "The Court recognizes that the compliance of the thirty-three affected rigs with current government regulations may be irrelevant if the regulations are insufficient or if MMS, the government’s own agent, itself is suspected of being corrupt or incompetent. Nonetheless, the Secretary’s determination that a six-month moratorium on issuance of new permits and on drilling by the thirty-three rigs is necessary does not seem to be fact-specific and refuses to take into measure the safety records of those others in the Gulf."
Don Quixote
06-24-10, 03:56 PM
http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/4116/feldman.jpg "Damn your eyes!"
"Too late."
Andrew Longman
06-24-10, 09:19 PM
There's enough greasiness at the Jersey Shore anyway! :)
Grease not so much. Medical waste and sewage run off, sometimes.
Michaelhatesfans
06-25-10, 06:01 AM
And that's the end of this digression.
In other words, you've capped it. (rim shot)
TrueBrit
06-25-10, 10:07 AM
In other words, you've capped it. (rim shot)
Dammit! I missed out...again?;)
I actually enjoy the fact that political discussion is banned here..a breath of fresh air from many other forums on the interwebs that get polluted with it...
Speaking of pollution (nice segue right?) how is it that BP gets to hire a private army and local police officials to ban video and photography of the dead animals and the soiled beaches?
In the building in which I work BP has several floors...they are having an outdoor ice-cream social today..I am seriously considering introducing some 10w30 to their scoops of vanilla..
Interesting article in yesterdays WSJ: Link (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703900004575325131111637728.html)
BP has come under heavy fire from Congress and environmental groups for its lack of readiness to handle a worst-case spill. But that criticism has overlooked a key fact: BP was required by federal regulators to base its preparations on Interior Department models that were last updated in 2004.
not sure i'm a fan of preparation using a black swan for its baseline
In the building in which I work BP has several floors...they are having an outdoor ice-cream social today..I am seriously considering introducing some 10w30 to their scoops of vanilla..
Did you make bail? :p
(placing a new, sealed bottle of oil next to the chocolate syrup would be brilliance! :D )
TravelGal
06-25-10, 10:37 PM
Eddy Franklin. Gotta love the name. From 6/24 agent briefing. Does anyone know more about how they managed to pinch the Loop Current?
NOAA Suspends Oil Forecasts
The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration has suspended daily production of offshore Transocean/BP oil spill trajectory maps because a change in ocean currents has minimized impact risks to the Florida Keys and most of the Florida peninsula.
The northern end of the Loop Current has been pinched off into a large clockwise eddy called Eddy Franklin. This means there is no clear path for spilled oil to enter the Loop Current from the spill source in the northern Gulf of Mexico. The Gulf Loop Current is a clockwise current that normally carries water from the Yucatan Channel north into the Gulf of Mexico, then back down south off Florida's west coast, past the Dry Tortugas and into the Gulf Stream. NOAA will resume plans to resume production of offshore spill trajectory maps if needed.
Andrew Longman
06-26-10, 05:13 AM
Eddy Franklin...
Eddy will get a shake up as the hurricane season heats up, for sure.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/06/25/national/main6618230.shtml?tag=strip
http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2010/06/25/image6619064g.jpg
talked to a buddy. if executives are to be blamed, it's not parent company, it's the GOM manager and his staff, their direction leads the drilling teams that are out there
High Sided
06-29-10, 03:46 PM
the latest casualty... http://www.allproudamericans.com/Aquaman-No.html
omg! dey iced Aquaman.
U ba*dz!
The Navy’s "MZ-3A Airship" is currently en route to the Gulf Coast to be used in the Deepwater Horizon response, the largest oil spill response in history. (http://ht.ly/27cdm)
Who knew...
Just by coincidence I was just reading this article about helium supplies. Dirigibles and party balloons are about to get more expensive.
http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2010/07/science-policy-gone-bad-may-mean-the-end-of-earths-helium.ars
cameraman
07-05-10, 03:43 PM
Some things should not be left to the free market. Helium leads that list, there needs to be a single entity controlling production, storage and conservation. That entity can not have short term profit as a motivation.
Napoleon
07-06-10, 01:17 PM
http://img.metro.co.uk/i/pix/2010/07/05/article-1278367585317-0A53C952000005DC-229110_636x458.jpg
Yes, that board game actually exist. (http://www.metro.co.uk/news/834121-rare-1970s-bp-board-game-promises-oil-thrills-comes-back-to-haunt-them)
This NOAA interactive map is interesting. (http://gomex.erma.noaa.gov/erma.html#x=-87.55554&y=30.28753&z=5&layers=3796+497)
Some things should not be left to the free market. Helium leads that list, there needs to be a single entity controlling production, storage and conservation. That entity can not have short term profit as a motivation.
Communist!!! By God, you are threatening someone's right to own a Bentley, and we will not have that! That's un-American!!! :teabagger:
In all seriousness, if we, the U.S. were a foreign country and behaved as irresponsibly with the world's resources as we do, we surely would have invaded ourselves by now.
I don't know about you, but I am thinking about buying a small farm. Just in case.
In all seriousness, if we, the U.S. were a foreign country and behaved as irresponsibly with the world's resources as we do, we surely would have invaded ourselves by now.
I don't see us invading Russia, China, or Venezuela
Communist!!! By God, you are threatening someone's right to own a Bentley, and we will not have that! That's un-American!!! :teabagger:
Do you have some use of that term that is appropriate for this forum?
You know, those guys who protest holding teabags.
No, seriously.
The first time I heard it on the evening news I was shocked, but I honestly typed it with no thought of the alternate meaning.
Maybe you should delete it. :gomer:
I don't see us invading Russia, China, or Venezuela
I'll bet we have guys working on it.
I'll bet we have guys working on it.
we have plans for everyone. doesn't mean we're doing it
You know, those guys who protest holding teabags.
So it's a political thing. Seems like we've discussed that.
Napoleon
07-07-10, 05:48 AM
I don't see us invading Russia . . . .
Take it from me, that would be a really bad idea.
Take it from me, that would be a really bad idea.
:laugh:
The key is to invade East to West. That way every step forward is a step closer to home. :gomer:
TrueBrit
07-07-10, 11:42 AM
Do you have some use of that term that is appropriate for this forum?
Appropriate? Sure..it's what BP has done to the entire Gulf Coast...
Wheel-Nut
07-07-10, 12:28 PM
We were some 80+ miles southeast of Freeport, TX on an overnighter a week or so ago. No signs of oil but the fish were biting!
Wheel-Nut
07-07-10, 12:35 PM
couple more . . .
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/Wheel-Nut/DSC05324.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/Wheel-Nut/DSC05330.jpg
^^^
Nice red snapper. :thumbup:
Enjoy 'em while you can. :(
-Kevin
chop456
07-07-10, 01:15 PM
Mmmm...Dolphin.
once you go dolphin fin, you never go back
chop456
07-13-10, 01:27 AM
Looks like something's working, provided this is the only point of leakage:
http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/globalbp_uk_english/incident_response/STAGING/local_assets/html/Skandi_ROV2.html
BP says well is capped.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2010/07/13/national/a013429D05.DTL&tsp=1
Napoleon
07-15-10, 04:16 PM
It looks like they may have stopped the flow of oil into the Gulf. (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_GULF_OIL_SPILL?SITE=WDUN&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT)
hopefully the testing shows the wellbore isn't compromised too much
Don Quixote
07-15-10, 05:26 PM
I heard on the radio BP stock is up 10% today.
TravelGal
07-15-10, 07:48 PM
I heard on the radio BP stock is up 10% today.
Good. I want them to have PLENTY of money to pay the reparations this is going to require for a L O O O O O N G time.
Napoleon
07-15-10, 09:20 PM
I heard on the radio BP stock is up 10% today.
They are only days away from having to release their first earnings report since the blowout and I have read they really really wanted the flow off when they release that report, presumably because the footnotes will not be as bad or some reserve or however they show it would be smaller.
Two months since the well was capped. The government has declared the well dead now that it's been plugged with concrete.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704858304575497932631276978.html?m od=WSJ_hpp_LEFTTopStories
Now is usually when the sea monster rises out of the depths to take its revenge. :gomer:
Has there been any talk of drilling another well around there? Obviously there is oil down there. Or too hot a topic for now?
Nah, just go to Brazil. They encourage it.
TravelGal
09-20-10, 04:05 PM
Two months since the well was capped. The government has declared the well dead now that it's been plugged with concrete.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704858304575497932631276978.html?m od=WSJ_hpp_LEFTTopStories
Now is usually when the sea monster rises out of the depths to take its revenge. :gomer:
You're not just sayin' that although the monster is the oil that SANK. It doesn't take a lot of imagination to figure out how devastating a layer of goo across the ocean floor could be. This is not going to be "over" for a long, long time.
For a viewpoint other than BP's, check out the Earth Organization .com for thoughts on the goo and the toxic dispersant used with abandon for the first several weeks. As I read it, I hope they are some extreme environmentalist nutters but I fear they are closer to the truth than the happy face people.
cameraman
10-28-10, 06:09 PM
This is just amazing. We these guys just winging it or were they actually trying to blow the damned thing up? :saywhat: + :flame:
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/science/spilldoc.PDF
This is just amazing. We these guys just winging it or were they actually trying to blow the damned thing up? :saywhat: + :flame:
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/science/spilldoc.PDF
Bend over and grab your ankles, BP and Hali. :saywhat: + :flame:
-Kevin
Don Quixote
10-28-10, 06:54 PM
:shakehead
oddlycalm
10-28-10, 06:56 PM
This is just amazing. We these guys just winging it or were they actually trying to blow the damned thing up? :saywhat: + :flame:
From what last week's Frontline documented BP was trying to cut costs by 15-20% since acquiring Amoco and that infiltrated every operational decision leading to the Texas City refinery explosion (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/the-spill/bp-troubled-past/#2), arctic pipeline burst (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/the-spill/bp-troubled-past/#3), Thunder Horse capsize (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/the-spill/bp-troubled-past/#4) and their latest little cockup (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/the-spill/bp-troubled-past/#5).
BP plan B: If it doesn't work the first time keep trying it until the financial pain becomes unbearable, then press on regardless until it becomes life threatening. :shakehead
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The decision that led to the Texas City explosion seems especially gratuitous:
$150k to fix it vs. $50 mil & 15 dead.
Safety first leads to savings later.
cameraman
11-17-10, 06:56 PM
Here is the latest report on the fiasco.
http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/spillreport20101116.pdf
I find it funny that the New York Times was linking to a 2.1 MB download on the Wall Street Journal site.:laugh:
cameraman
12-27-10, 09:25 PM
Not exactly a Christmasy story but...
Deepwater Horizon’s Final Hours (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/26/us/26spill.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&src=twrhp)
Andrew Longman
12-28-10, 02:14 PM
Sorry if this is too political: http://thinkprogress.org/2010/12/27/ralph-hall-blossoming/
Hall described the BP explosion that killed eleven men, injured dozens, and led to the despoilment of the Gulf of Mexico as a “tremendous,” “blossoming” flower of energy:
"As we saw that thing bubbling out, blossoming out – all that energy, every minute of every hour of every day of every week – that was tremendous to me. That we could deliver that kind of energy out there – even on an explosion."
I didn't know that webcam was porn for some people. :gomer:
devilmaster
12-28-10, 03:17 PM
Not exactly a Christmasy story but...
Deepwater Horizon’s Final Hours (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/26/us/26spill.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&src=twrhp)
This story reminds me of firefighting and damage control school in the navy.
They used to always talk about how HMS Sheffield(?) during the falklands war was a salvagable warship if command and control were maintained.
A lot of the words I read were interchangeable..... :/
Wow. A special place in Hell is all I can say.
cameraman
01-11-11, 10:51 PM
Here is the final report of the National Commission on the BP Deepwater Horizon Oil Spill and Offshore Drilling.
It is a full color 398 page pdf file. (http://www.oilspillcommission.gov/sites/default/files/documents/DEEPWATER_ReporttothePresident_FINAL.pdf)
datachicane
07-26-13, 02:34 PM
Halliburton agrees to pay the maximum fine of $200,000 and accepts three years probation.
$200,000- I wonder how many minutes of legal services Halliburton gets for that much?
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest-News-Wires/2013/0726/Gulf-oil-spill-Halliburton-to-plead-guilty-to-destroying-spill-evidence (http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest-News-Wires/2013/0726/Gulf-oil-spill-Halliburton-to-plead-guilty-to-destroying-spill-evidence-video)
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