AAPL vs. GOOG vs. MSFT [Archive] - Page 4

Insomniac

08-01-11, 09:16 AM

Not for long, the treasury is about to start printing again. :irked:

I do wish Apple would show the shareholders a little love in the form of a dividend.

At least the stock finally climbed some. They need to either do a stock split or start paying dividends if their new P/E ratio is < 20.

BTW--We all would've had more cash than the government if they didn't finally make a deal. The media going on and on about that was lame. Apples (literally) and Oranges.

Ankf00

08-10-11, 05:21 PM

Apple now has a larger market cap than Exxon Mobil.

Insomniac

08-13-11, 02:57 PM

Apple now has a larger market cap than Exxon Mobil.

Exxon must've been hammered. I don't think Apple was #1 when they were @ 400.

dando

08-13-11, 03:32 PM

Exxon must've been hammered. I don't think Apple was #1 when they were @ 400.

XOM has gone from ~$85 to ~$70 over the past month. While AAPL has increased ~$10 over the past week. :saywhat:

-Kevin

Ankf00

08-13-11, 07:10 PM

XOM will rise back when OIL gets pulled back up by weakening currencies & further capital flight to commodities [/holiday inn express]

cameraman

08-13-11, 10:55 PM

My son and I were at the Tour of Utah today and in the excitement my son grabbed for a track map and pulled my iPhone out of my hand and splat, a perfect bellyflop onto some rough pavement and a totally shattered iPhone. It was in a case but this time it didn't help. After the race we went down to the Apple store and I was expecting to pay $199 for an out of warranty replacement. I was pleasantly surprised when they just gave me a new phone at no charge. They were under no obligation to do that but they did. :thumbup:

Insomniac

08-14-11, 04:03 PM

XOM has gone from ~$85 to ~$70 over the past month. While AAPL has increased ~$10 over the past week. :saywhat:

-Kevin

Apple has had a lot of growth in China. So even if it is bad here (Apple has persevered thus far) they are growing elsewhere. Their stock should be even higher given the P/E ratio, but I think there is an irrational fear in buying a stock that highly priced. (There is a much better term for this, but it escapes me. Google suffers from it too.)

nrc

08-14-11, 04:43 PM

Insomniac

08-14-11, 06:10 PM

I've heard of Apple doing that. Did they extend your wireless contract in the process?

That would quickly change cameraman's mood!

cameraman

08-14-11, 10:56 PM

I've heard of Apple doing that. Did they extend your wireless contract in the process?

I don't believe so, it is a Verizon phone, there was no mention of the service contract in the paperwork I got from Apple. All the things I saw and signed referred to the iPhone itself and were Apple specific. Verizon was never mentioned anywhere. I just checked my account and the device upgrade dates on my Verizon account have not changed nor has anything else that I can see.

nrc

08-14-11, 11:54 PM

Sounds like a good deal. As long as there's nothing in the paperwork about volunteering for human experiments. :D

Meanwhile HP has cut the price on their Touchpad WebOS tablet to $399 for the 16GB model with some street prices lower. Seems like carriers are resisting another flavor and HP wants to get some devices into the wild to give them a boost. Hope they'll stick with it. Still love my Pre2.

KLang

08-15-11, 08:44 AM

Internet headlines say Google is buying Motorola Mobility for $12.5 Billion. Could be a game changer for the Android world.

dando

08-15-11, 11:09 AM

Internet headlines say Google is buying Motorola Mobility for $12.5 Billion. Could be a game changer for the Android world.

Game changer.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-15/google-agrees-to-acquisition-of-motorola-mobility-for-about-12-5-billion.html

:eek:

-Kevin

Ankf00

08-15-11, 11:42 AM

!@#$@#! set up a new brokerage acct last week, they still haven't credited my deposit, and MMI was going to be one of my big tech purchases (not that I knew they were going to be pursued, I just like the direction of their recent product strategy).

s***snacks. [/pam]

chop456

08-15-11, 01:25 PM

s***snacks. [/pam]

:laugh:

Lana. :eek:

nrc

08-15-11, 05:13 PM

Game changer.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-15/google-agrees-to-acquisition-of-motorola-mobility-for-about-12-5-billion.html

:eek:

-Kevin

Happy to see Google score some patents if they truly intend to use them only defensively. It will be interesting to see if they can keep their other handset partners happy.

Elmo T

08-15-11, 05:49 PM

Happy to see Google score some patents if they truly intend to use them only defensively. It will be interesting to see if they can keep their other handset partners happy.

The whole thing with patents and patent trolls was new to me - until this from TAL:

When Patents Attack (http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/441/when-patents-attack)

Even more interesting now with this announcement.

Ankf00

08-15-11, 06:14 PM

the TAL piece is pretty off base, imo. the issue is less the system as it's structured than it is the PTO administration not doing their due diligence.

on my ut board, someone mentioning Moto has a good licensing agreement for one of Oracle's products, J2ME, which is related to their IP suit against Google/Adroid, and this Moto acquisition might help Google in defense of that suit.

Insomniac

08-15-11, 06:21 PM

Happy to see Google score some patents if they truly intend to use them only defensively. It will be interesting to see if they can keep their other handset partners happy.

I think they can if it was a purely patent move to defend themselves and their partners. They don't want to risk annoying their partners.

I'd really like to see Google be able to gain better control on Android handset updates. Right now Apple dominates in that area and no one stands in their way. So maybe with Motorola in house, they can get agreements to allow all Motorola handsets to receive the latest release when they release it. (Microsoft is going to have the same problem.) They all need better control of their platform if they really want to make the OS > Device. (At this point, we're down to a screen, a couple buttons as small/light as possible.)

Ankf00

08-16-11, 12:32 PM

nevermind my earlier post, the oracle suit has to do w/ java and delvik, android's equivalent...

http://techcrunch.com/2011/08/15/by-buying-motorola-google-can-now-do-whatever-the-heck-they-want-with-android/

With the announcement of their planned $12.5B Motorola Mobility acquisition this morning, Google is buying a lot of stuff. They’re buying 20,000 employees (almost doubling their headcount.) They’re buying an absurdly daunting armory of over 24,000 patents (I mean, come on: Motorola has the patent on the cell phone.) But there’s one more thing that Google’s buying, and it’s one that shifts up the Android game all together: nearly 30% of Android’s existing marketshare in the U.S.

After years of owning next to none of the hardware marketshare for their own software platform (even the so-called “Google phone” Nexus devices are made by HTC and Samsung), Google has just become Android’s 2nd biggest manufacturer.

KLang

08-17-11, 06:00 PM

Meanwhile HP has cut the price on their Touchpad WebOS tablet to $399 for the 16GB model with some street prices lower. Seems like carriers are resisting another flavor and HP wants to get some devices into the wild to give them a boost. Hope they'll stick with it. Still love my Pre2.

If you want a Touchpad it will likely be dropping even more, ouch. (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/HPs-TouchPad-Is-Officially-A-siliconalley-54818795.html?x=0&.v=3)

nrc

08-18-11, 04:20 PM

If you want a Touchpad it will likely be dropping even more, ouch. (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/HPs-TouchPad-Is-Officially-A-siliconalley-54818795.html?x=0&.v=3)

Wow. Epic fail. They've gone from "fully committed" to dumping the entire product line in three months time. They're actually looking to dump their entire consumer device business on whatever Chinese company wants to be the next Lenovo.

http://www.mobileburn.com/news.jsp?Id=16271

This is truly a shame. HP has used their 'commitment' and 'scale' to drive an excellent product straight into the ground. They still hold out some hope for WebOS itself, but why should anyone trust them to deliver on their commitments in that space at this point? The best hope for WebOS would be for them to just open source it completely at this point. :shakehead

dando

08-18-11, 05:18 PM

Wow. EPIC. FAIL. :shakehead :saywhat:

-Kevin

SurfaceUnits

08-18-11, 06:03 PM

or try one of over 350 free OSes

http://futurist.se/gldt/wp-content/uploads/11.07/gldt1107.svg

SurfaceUnits

08-19-11, 12:04 PM

Apple Also Manipulated Evidence in Dutch Apple v Samsung Case

After revealing that Apple tampered with evidence in the German case against the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1, WebWereld.nl has now revealed that Apple has also tampered with the evidence in the Dutch court case (coverage in English). Apple has manipulated the image of a Samsung Galaxy S in a side-by-side comparison with the iPhone 3GS. The Galaxy S has been shortened and made narrower so that its dimensions match those of the 3GS. This piece of evidence is the only side-by-side comparison of these two devices, and is part of the summons, which, according to a Dutch lawyer, means that Apple considers it to be of special significance. Just goes to show, once more, how far Apple is willing to go to stifle competition through the legal system - lying, cheating, manipulating. What a classy, premium company, that Apple!

Insomniac

08-20-11, 12:48 AM

CW0DUg63lqU

dando

08-20-11, 01:06 AM

CW0DUg63lqU

Yup...and they stole their UI from Xerox. :shakehead

-Kevin

SurfaceUnits

08-20-11, 04:41 AM

Yup...and they stole their UI from Xerox. :shakehead

-Kevin

and their OS from Berkley & Carnegie Mellon

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_NKsSCcjtoDQ/S7rfAcrC5PI/AAAAAAAAAQg/EJ0fGrZocvo/s800/linlogo.gif

KLang

08-20-11, 10:23 AM

$99 Touchpad. (http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/19/let-the-liquidation-begin-hps-16gb-touchpad-on-sale-for-99/) :laugh: They sure aren't wasting any time.

dando

08-20-11, 10:53 AM

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-20094769-92/hps-carly-fiorina-era-is-finally-over...good-riddance/?tag=topStories

A good take on the Fiorina era. :saywhat: :shakehead Rearranging the deck chairs like I've been doing @ AOHell the past decade +. :irked:

-Kevin

dando

08-20-11, 11:03 AM

$99 Touchpad. (http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/19/let-the-liquidation-begin-hps-16gb-touchpad-on-sale-for-99/) :laugh: They sure aren't wasting any time.

Read the comments...it looks like many if not all of the units are being shipped back to HP. In any case, anyone buying one of these will enjoy it for a year or two @ most w/o WebOS support (and no developer support for apps). Having purchased an Audrey when 3com dumped those (great idea, synch with my Palm, etc., but the it was ahead of its time and priced too high), I can attest to that fact, Jack. :saywhat:

-Kevin

KLang

08-20-11, 11:26 AM

This guy from HP (http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/19/the-engadget-interview-hps-stephen-dewitt-discusses-the-state/) says webOS isn't dead yet but I don't buy it. If they are this quick to throw away this product line I have a hard time believing they will spend any more $ developing the OS.

dando

08-20-11, 11:52 AM

SurfaceUnits

08-20-11, 01:13 PM

And I have some swamp land in FL I can sell ya.... :saywhat:

-Kevin

http://gatorzone.com/insidefootball/images/facilities/swamp/6.jpg

nrc

08-20-11, 07:03 PM

$99 Touchpad. (http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/19/let-the-liquidation-begin-hps-16gb-touchpad-on-sale-for-99/) :laugh: They sure aren't wasting any time.

Rats, out of stock at HP.com and everyone else seems to be sending them back to HP. Hopefully I'll be able to pick a couple up once the truckloads arrive back from Best Buy and they're back on HP.com. Returns will probably end up on Woot eventually as well. Either way please let me know if you see them in stock someplace.

This guy from HP (http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/19/the-engadget-interview-hps-stephen-dewitt-discusses-the-state/) says webOS isn't dead yet but I don't buy it. If they are this quick to throw away this product line I have a hard time believing they will spend any more $ developing the OS.

HP still has plenty of things that they could use WebOS for. But as far as I can tell they've already failed to execute on that and they're a lot less motivated to do that today then they were last week.

No, I think they're just scrambling to salvage a shred of hope that there's a future for WebOS. Their bosses cut it's heart out on the alter of their Wall Street gods to assure them that it would offend their margins no longer and they're left claiming it's only a flesh wound.

I'm sure that they would love to find someone to take it off their hands. If nothing else it would relieve them of any responsibility for the underlying services which they would otherwise have to shut off eventually.

Will there be any takers? I really hope so because WebOS is a great product looking for the right owner. Will anyone take a chance on it? Probably not.

KLang

08-20-11, 07:28 PM

There is a possibility for WebOS if Google and Motorola Mobility get too cozy. I think the other Android customers have to be looking around for alternatives.

dando

08-20-11, 08:17 PM

Rats, out of stock at HP.com and everyone else seems to be sending them back to HP. Hopefully I'll be able to pick a couple up once the truckloads arrive back from Best Buy and they're back on HP.com. Returns will probably end up on Woot eventually as well. Either way please let me know if you see them in stock someplace.

Still 'in stock' through the SMB site:

http://shopping1.hp.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/WW-USSMBPublicStore-Site/en_US/-/USD/ViewStandardCatalog-Browse?CatalogCategoryID=dMgQ7habWagAAAEveclKiY4n

Not sure if the order will be fulfilled, tho. :saywhat:

-Kevin

trish

08-20-11, 08:32 PM

Rats, out of stock at HP.com and everyone else seems to be sending them back to HP. Hopefully I'll be able to pick a couple up once the truckloads arrive back from Best Buy and they're back on HP.com. Returns will probably end up on Woot eventually as well. Either way please let me know if you see them in stock someplace.

Office Depot. (http://www.officedepot.com/a/browse/tablets/cbxRefine=302157&N=5+518426/?hijack=touchpad&type=Search)

nrc

08-20-11, 09:39 PM

Still 'in stock' through the SMB site:

http://shopping1.hp.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/WW-USSMBPublicStore-Site/en_US/-/USD/ViewStandardCatalog-Browse?CatalogCategoryID=dMgQ7habWagAAAEveclKiY4n

Not sure if the order will be fulfilled, tho. :saywhat:

-Kevin

Thanks, no luck so far.

Microsoft VBScript compilation error '800a03e9'

Out of memory

/LM/W3SVC/600510919/Root/dstore/global.asa, line 0

Yes, these are the people I'll go to for enterprise software. :rolleyes:

Office Depot. (http://www.officedepot.com/a/browse/tablets/cbxRefine=302157&N=5+518426/?hijack=touchpad&type=Search)

Thanks, says "No longer available." when you try to add it to the cart. :(

nrc

08-20-11, 09:48 PM

There is a possibility for WebOS if Google and Motorola Mobility get too cozy. I think the other Android customers have to be looking around for alternatives.

I think that may have been a factor in the apparent suddenness of this move. With the Google move and the underlying patent battles they had a choice to either commit to the long haul with WebOS or cut bait and still have an opportunity to get something out of it, even if it's only purchased for the IP.

It could be attractive to someone like HTC or Samsung looking for protection against becoming the odd man out if Google starts to favor Motorola. It could also be attractive to someone like Amazon who wants to make sure that they always have devices that can deliver their content no matter what Apple or Google do.

Unfortunately it's probably most likely outcome may be that it will be purchased for its smartphone patents and everything else will be thrown in the bin.

WickerBill

08-20-11, 10:38 PM

RIM should buy it and give their hardware a truly nice OS. Or VMware should buy it and put some "oomph" behind their wireless virtualization push (although I'm sure they'd rather be OS agnostic)

nrc

08-20-11, 11:11 PM

RIM should buy it and give their hardware a truly nice OS. Or VMware should buy it and put some "oomph" behind their wireless virtualization push (although I'm sure they'd rather be OS agnostic)

I'd thought the same thing about RIM. Unfortunately I think think they're too week to endure another change of direction right now. Both WebOS and RIM have the smell of death about them right now and I'm afraid that's not a partnership that will inspire confidence from anyone.

KLang

08-21-11, 09:46 AM

Rats, out of stock at HP.com and everyone else seems to be sending them back to HP. Hopefully I'll be able to pick a couple up once the truckloads arrive back from Best Buy and they're back on HP.com. Returns will probably end up on Woot eventually as well. Either way please let me know if you see them in stock someplace.

I've read that Best Buy stores will be selling off their stock starting this morning (Sunday).

trish

08-21-11, 01:56 PM

Staples may have had the best deal (online anyway), but they are out of stock. They had the 16 GB for $99 before a $50 rebate, so it was $49. I think anyone who wants one will have to hit the stores in person.

nrc

08-21-11, 05:24 PM

Pretty amazing that an device with such tepid reviews could generate such frenzy. $99 is a great deal but this is with a dead OS and no returns. We'll see how many people are just buying to flip them but I think HP gave up too soon.

There's one rumor - which I think is just wishful thinking - that this sudden change of direction and dumping of product is because they have a buyer lined up who has demanded that they be out of the hardware business before they close the deal. We'll see.

Gnam

08-24-11, 07:20 PM

The king just abdicated.
Steve Jobs resigns as Apple CEO.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/24/us-apple-idUSTRE77N82K20110824

He was rehired as chairman of the board.

nrc

08-24-11, 09:24 PM

dando

08-25-11, 11:28 AM

Very sorry to hear that. There are a lot of things I disagree with Steve Jobs and Apple about, but Steve Jobs understands that it's all about the products and nobody can deny that Apple makes great products.

Ditto. I'm not an Apple fanboy, but I respect their products and innovation. Apple w/o Jobs is gonna suck...hopefully not Apple w/Scully suck. :saywhat:

-Kevin

WickerBill

08-26-11, 11:55 AM

New Apple CEO: "I'm Thinking Printers" (http://www.theonion.com/articles/new-apple-ceo-tim-cook-im-thinking-printers,21207/)

chop456

08-26-11, 01:23 PM

Ankf00

08-26-11, 03:47 PM

Apple w/o Jobs is gonna suck...-Kevin

disagree, the company's progress during Jobs' last LoA & the evolution of apps w/ app store concept show that the executive staff is pretty capable of not tripping over their own dick. hell, the app concept was the most revolutionary part of iphone, and the part that makes tablets now worth something, and Jobs opposed the concept at first: http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/news/comments/apples-jobs-more-iphone-apps-coming-before-launch/9320

apple's raided the product design houses in the bay area, they have phenomenal DFM engineers, interface designers, same goes for pretty much every area, product managers, program managers, marketing & marketing analytics, the same executive staff that's driven much of the current product lineup and direction is there. they may not be redefining markets on such a scale in the future (I think they will continue to do so), but at worst they wont Roger Smith the company.

cameraman

08-26-11, 05:19 PM

they have phenomenal DFM engineers, interface designers, same goes for pretty much every area, product managers, program managers, marketing & marketing analytics

Yet they can not produce product documentation, especially software documentation, to save their useless souls.

nissan gtp

08-26-11, 05:34 PM

Yet they can not produce product documentation, especially software documentation, to save their useless souls.

nobody does documentation worth a damn anymore

Ankf00

08-26-11, 05:37 PM

nobody does documentation worth a damn anymore

ain't that the truth. f'ers are too cheap to even include operating system CD's with new computers these days

dando

08-26-11, 09:36 PM

:eek:

http://www.tmz.com/2011/08/26/steve-jobs-apple-photo-resignation-ceo-sick#.TlhJqmH6crV

Dude won't be alive 6 mos. from now. :(

-Kevin

Elmo T

08-27-11, 08:30 AM

:eek:

Dude won't be alive 6 mos. from now. :(

-Kevin

Sad. :(

Strange photo though. Almost looks like a portrait intended to look like a paparazzi shot. Like they paraded him out just so someone would take the photo. :confused:

nissan gtp

08-27-11, 12:31 PM

Sad. :(

Strange photo though. Almost looks like a portrait intended to look like a paparazzi shot. Like they paraded him out just so someone would take the photo. :confused:

opinion is that it's fake

dando

08-27-11, 01:02 PM

opinion is that it's fake

And the close up head shot? I don't think so.

-Kevin

indyfan31

08-27-11, 01:23 PM

... why's he wearing a skirt? :confused:

nrc

08-27-11, 02:34 PM

opinion is that it's fake

The bottom of the shirt dress or whatever it is does look oddly shopped, but if you look at how gaunt he was at his last appearance in March his general appearance isn't hard to believe.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-20052612-37.html

I'm guessing that his outfit is an iGown, his version of super cool hospital gown. Lots of wisecracks that I don't have the heart to make right now. :(

He was probably brought out from someplace, maybe treatment, and is waiting to be picked up. I would bet that a car pulled up within seconds and the paparazzi only got about 100 frames before he was gone.

Cam

08-27-11, 08:33 PM

Yet they can not produce product documentation, especially software documentation, to save their useless souls.

No just why would you want to RTFM? Nobody else does. Specially lusers. :\

SurfaceUnits

11-13-11, 11:56 PM

Analyst claims Microsoft generates $444 million each year from Android patents

Goldman claims that Microsoft’s lucrative Android patent deals will generate $444 million in revenue for the fiscal year 2012 (July 1, 2011 to June 30, 2012). Business Insider reports that Goldman’s estimates were revealed in an analyst note on Thursday. Goldman estimates that Microsoft receives $3-6 per Android device sold. The estimates follow similar reports that Microsoft receives $5 for every HTC device sold. Microsoft is widely believed to generate more revenue from Android patents than its own Windows Phone licences at present.

M$ is going after the Chrome OS as well

nrc

11-14-11, 01:32 AM

Everyone is afraid to take M$ to court on this because it would be very expensive and even partial loss could be devastating. M$ won't even publicly reveal what patents it claims are being infringed. Sooner or later someone is going to call them on it. While Barnes and Noble isn't ready to take them on head-on, they're trying an end-around by seeking to force M$ to release information about the alleged infringements.

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111109/02574116691/barnes-noble-claims-that-microsoft-patent-shakedown-over-android-is-antitrust-violation.shtml

Microsoft specifically alleged that Barnes & Noble's Nook was infringing six patents purportedly held by Microsoft. When Barnes & Noble asked Microsoft for more detailed information related to these patents, Microsoft refused, claiming that the information was confidential and could not be shared unless Barnes & Noble first executed a non-disclosure agreement ("NDA"). Because both the patents and Barnes & Noble's Nook product are public -- meaning there was no need for an NDA -- Barnes & Noble refused to sign.

Napoleon

11-14-11, 03:28 PM

In the meantime IBM has become Warren Buffett's second largest holding. (http://www.cnbc.com/id/45285237/)

Gnam

11-14-11, 04:44 PM

Here's an interview with a Google patent lawyer about their position on the dispute.

*fixed*
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/11/06/BUQP1LQN3V.DTL

http://blog.sfgate.com/techchron/2011/11/06/googles-patent-attorney-on-legal-reforms-microsoft-and-more/

Microsoft may be playing hardball, but the solution is not to throw out the patent laws. Google has demonstrated a disregard for any law that it doesn't agree with or that stands in its way. No wonder they and the Chinese get along so well. They both agree that the ends justify the means.

nrc

11-14-11, 04:50 PM

In the meantime IBM has become Warren Buffett's second largest holding. (http://www.cnbc.com/id/45285237/)

Gnam, you posted the link to reply to Nappy's post. :)

Napoleon

11-14-11, 05:37 PM

Speaking of tech companies and the (mis)use of patent laws . . . (http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/441/when-patents-attack)

Ankf00

11-14-11, 06:18 PM

If USPTO would do their job right in managing and granting patents, the issue wouldn't exist.

cameraman

11-15-11, 12:54 PM

I have to wonder if the entire internet is running slower in the US today as all of those millions? of iTunes accounts are busily uploading everything into the cloud...

Ankf00

11-15-11, 01:12 PM

iCloud = money laundering for pirated music.

Blankfein would be proud.

Napoleon

11-15-11, 01:49 PM

If USPTO would do their job right in managing and granting patents, the issue wouldn't exist.

That really isn't the problem. The biggest problem is that courts have really loosened what is arguably patentable, which has caused problems.

nrc

11-15-11, 02:00 PM

iCloud = money laundering for pirated music.

Blankfein would be proud.

But wait! Piracy is good for the music industry. :rolleyes:

Gnam

11-15-11, 08:27 PM

Something new to fight over:

Tests show that the device, technically called "nanoscale single-mode LED," can transmit information in computers from chip to chip at least 10 times the speed of any current computer while consuming more than a 1,000 times less energy, the developers say.

Patent applications for the new device have already been filed through Stanford, Vuckovich said.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/11/15/BA0E1LV22T.DTL&tsp=1

I think that's what Superman uses to boot up the Fortress of Solitude.

SurfaceUnits

01-31-12, 06:00 PM

Foxxconn to build six plants in Brazil to make iCrap. It has a plant in China with 230,000 employees to make iCrap

while consuming more than a 1,000 times less energy,

does that mean it consumes 999 times more less energy or 1001 times less more energy?

Ankf00

01-31-12, 06:30 PM

printing. press.

SurfaceUnits

01-31-12, 08:26 PM

printing. press.

the folks in China work 12 hour shifts, and make $17 a day

foxxconn said it took only a couple of weeks to hire the needed 3,500 engineers for the plant. Said it would take 9months or more in the US

Methanolandbrats

01-31-12, 11:11 PM

the folks in China work 12 hour shifts, and make $17 a day

foxxconn said it took only a couple of weeks to hire the needed 3,500 engineers for the plant. Said it would take 9months or more in the US

One upside to slavery is a mobile workforce. :D

Insomniac

02-01-12, 09:19 AM

Insomniac

02-01-12, 09:28 AM

printing. press.

Dividends or Stock Split!

KLang

02-01-12, 11:01 AM

I have my doubts that it would take that long unless the reason was they were severely underpaying.

I think the issue is here people are either under or over educated. We don't train people to do that kind of work.

Methanolandbrats

02-01-12, 11:03 AM

I think the issue is here people are either under or over educated. We don't train people to do that kind of work.

KInda hard to pay off school loans working seven days a week, 12 hours a day for $16/day. It's company town slavery.

Ankf00

02-01-12, 11:30 AM

I think the issue is here people are either under or over educated. We don't train people to do that kind of work.

it's an assembly line, as methanolandbrats says, it's companytown slavery. we don't legally allow people to use child labor or pay that little or force employees to wake up at 2am to start assembling an iphone update.

we train people to design the technology, and we train people to manufacture the components at samsung semi fabs and broadcom's contract mfg'ers.

"Hon Hai has a workforce of over one million worldwide and as human beings are also animals, to manage one million animals gives me a headache," said Hon Hai chairman Terry Gou at a recent year-end party, adding that he wants to learn from Chin Shih-chien, director of Taipei Zoo, regarding how animals should be managed.
As WantChinaTimes put it, Gou "could have chosen his words more carefully." But Gou had indeed invited the zoo director to speak to Hon Hai's top managers in the hope that the zoo-keeper's advice would help them do their jobs better:

on the other hand, it's what we the people want, cheap ****. iCrap is just a percentage of western electronics coming from the 14M people of shenzhen. HP? Shenzhen. Dell? Shenzhen. Oracle, Cisco, IBM? Shenzhen. HP paid Flex $45 to assemble my custom laptop. Between overhead and Flex's rip, I don't think much of that $45 goes to the folks who bolted everything within.

subsistence farming & hunger vs. indentured servitude

SurfaceUnits

02-02-12, 11:37 AM

l,et me googl;e that for you https://www.google.com/search?q=new+york+times+foxconn&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

Can you amagion Trumpka trying to live off $17 dollar a day employees

Insomniac

02-05-12, 06:28 PM

it's an assembly line, as methanolandbrats says, it's companytown slavery. we don't legally allow people to use child labor or pay that little or force employees to wake up at 2am to start assembling an iphone update.

we train people to design the technology, and we train people to manufacture the components at samsung semi fabs and broadcom's contract mfg'ers.

on the other hand, it's what we the people want, cheap ****. iCrap is just a percentage of western electronics coming from the 14M people of shenzhen. HP? Shenzhen. Dell? Shenzhen. Oracle, Cisco, IBM? Shenzhen. HP paid Flex $45 to assemble my custom laptop. Between overhead and Flex's rip, I don't think much of that $45 goes to the folks who bolted everything within.

subsistence farming & hunger vs. indentured servitude

I thought this started out as we don't have the people who can do this here to hire. I'm certain we have 3,500 engineers. I'm also certain we can have plenty of manufacturing. My Dad works as an engineer at a facility where they have 24x7x365 manufacturing. People do work there willingly.

SurfaceUnits

02-12-12, 11:52 PM

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=23972

Ankf00

02-13-12, 12:23 PM

I thought this started out as we don't have the people who can do this here to hire. I'm certain we have 3,500 engineers. I'm also certain we can have plenty of manufacturing. My Dad works as an engineer at a facility where they have 24x7x365 manufacturing. People do work there willingly.

we do have the engineering in the US, and the products are designed and tested here.

we just don't have the indentured servitude and child labor required to hit the desired margin & customer cost, thus their competitive advantage

nrc

02-13-12, 02:00 PM

I think it's true that our consumer electronics industry lacks, well, existence at this point. I was going to say flexibility, logistics, resources - all sorts of things. But all of that is the result of the fact that CE manufacturing was abandoned in the U.S. 30 years ago based entirely on costs.

SurfaceUnits

02-13-12, 05:36 PM

But all of that is the result of the fact that CE manufacturing was abandoned in the U.S. 30 years ago based entirely on costs.

yep, this RCA dome video is a perfect example

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gerhard911

02-13-12, 07:46 PM

Next up (er, down...) - 16th & Jonestown

:tony:

SurfaceUnits

02-16-12, 09:46 PM

Apple's Foxconn Plant Workers Complain of "Militant Culture"
7:00 AM - February 7, 2012 by Kevin Parrish - source: CNN

CNN is the latest to interview an actual Foxconn worker who reveals her working conditions.

CNN is the latest to visit Foxconn factories contracted by Apple, and begins its report introducing readers to Miss Chen, an 18-year-old student from a village outside of the southern megacity of Chongqing whose name was changed for the story to protect her identity. She reportedly works over 60 hours a week assembling iPad tablets for Apple, but has never actually seen one of the popular gadgets fully assembled.

"Wow, I want it," Chen said when CNN produced a finish product for her inspection.

Miss Chen has allegedly been threatened by Foxconn, as well as all of her colleagues, not to talk to any reporter hence a "criminal liability [that] shall be investigated according to law." News of a media ban isn’t surprising given that local rights groups claim that Foxconn's stringent military-like culture is "one of surveillance, obedience and not challenging authority." Workers can either obey the rules or find a job elsewhere... if you can.

A poor college student with no work experience, Miss Chen told the network that she was offered a one-month position at Foxconn during the Spring Festival. She was promised great benefits and very little overtime. But once she arrived at the plant, she quickly discovered that only senior members receive benefits and sick leave time. She is also forced to work overtime on a regular basis.

"During my first day of work, an older worker said to me, 'why did you come to Foxconn? Don't ever think about it again and leave right now'," said Chen. "Foxconn employees have a saying, 'they use women as men and men as machines.'"

According to the report, Miss Chen's job is to apply more than 4,000 stickers a day onto iPad screens by hand. She's done this for the past three weeks, working over sixty hours per week in an assembly line. "It's so boring, I can't bear it anymore," she said. "Everyday is like: I get off from work and I go to bed. I get up in the morning, and I go to work. It is my daily routine and I almost feel like an animal."

Indy

02-17-12, 09:41 AM

I think the difference between now and before is that we see all of this stuff, and also that our culture has evolved to the point that we are more empathetic than we once were. I do NOT think that things have gotten worse. During every period in recorded history the vast majority of human beings lived short, pathetic, tragic lives. Sometimes, in some places, things were better than that. We live in one of those places now, so naturally we wish everyone else to have the same privilege. But that is just not reality, and it will not be reality at least for some time to come.

Ankf00

02-17-12, 01:30 PM

Foxconn's stringent military-like culture is "one of surveillance, obedience and not challenging authority." Workers can either obey the rules or find a job elsewhere... "

um, how's that different from the rest of asian culture?

Methanolandbrats

02-17-12, 01:48 PM

um, how's that different from the rest of asian culture?

Ever been to Thailand? :D

dando

02-17-12, 02:02 PM

Ever been to Thailand? :D

No, but Gary Glitter has. :gomer: :saywhat:

-Kevin

nrc

02-19-12, 06:37 PM

http://www.marriedtothesea.com/021212/quittin-time.gif

SurfaceUnits

02-20-12, 07:32 PM

Apple workers in China get 25 per cent pay rise

Apple’s main manufacturing partner Foxconn is paying workers up to an extra 25 per cent following widespread criticism of its labour practices.

The firm makes iPads and iPhones under contract to Apple in giant factories that employ and house over a million Chinese workers. It also manufactures electronics for Dell, HP and Microsoft, among others.

The significant pay increase is the second for Foxconn workers in less than two years and means salaries will reach between £180 and £250 per month. The firm said the rise, effective from 1 February, would compensate workers for cuts in overtime, made as part of efforts to reduce overall working hours.

The first big pay boosts were announced in 2010 after a spate of worker suicides received major media interest in the West.