Utah is running off the rails

[cameraman]

The legislature is run by a bunch of extremists who are hell bent on taking us back to 1905. The latest proposal is banning beer sales from any store that sells gasoline. So no 7-11s or Mavericks or grocery stores that sell gas or Costco or any place else that also markets fuel. Cuz you know drunk driving is bad:flame:

[Andrew Longman]

We have drive thru liquor stores in Jersey. http://www.hbso.com/

Can't carry a gun in your car unless you want to spend like seven years in jail.

And it's illegal to have self serve gas.

A lot of folks are cool with that though.

Too bad about Utah. I like your mountains.

[cameraman]

We now have an official state firearm, the Browning model M1911:rolleyes:

[chop456]

^ The only person I know that has one of those lives in Utah. :laugh:

[Don Quixote]

^ The only person I know that has one of those lives in Utah. :laugh:You know someone in Colorado too. :D

[Elmo T]

PA has its State Stores - the only place to buy hard liquor is from the State itself. And closed on Sundays.

Beer is sold in special beer distributors which can't sell 6-packs. 6-packs can be sold in licensed stores and in some restaurants and bars. Wegman's recently won the right to sell beer, but only in their take-out food market area.

I don't even know that I can adequately explain the system. :saywhat:

And no car sales on Sunday either.

[gerhard911]

Yeah, PA has THE most screwed up beer sale laws. :saywhat: But you gots Yuengling, which kinda makes up for it.

[dando]

PA has its State Stores - the only place to buy hard liquor is from the State itself. And closed on Sundays.

Beer is sold in special beer distributors which can't sell 6-packs. 6-packs can be sold in licensed stores and in some restaurants and bars. Wegman's recently won the right to sell beer, but only in their take-out food market area.

I don't even know that I can adequately explain the system. :saywhat:

And no car sales on Sunday either.

The blue laws were/are insane for Indyanna, oHIo and PA. We just recently started allowing liquor sales on the Sunday, and in a few grocery stores that could acquire a license. We even had to have a referendum a few years ago on the local ballot to allow a local Kroger (Krogers if you are from oHIo) to sell wine on Sunday. :saywhat: Kasich is looking to kill the state liquor stores....finally. And yes, PA has Yuengling, but we don't. Still kills me I can get that in SC, but not here. :irked: :mad:

-Kevin

[extramundane]

No public establishment in VA with an on-premises liquor license can make more than 55% of gross receipts from sales of said liquor, have "happy hour" after 9PM or advertise discounted drink prices (even though discounted prices themselves are legal) at any time.

And if you sell Brand X beer, wine or liquor, you cannot have a "permanent" advertising display for that brand (neon sign, dartboard, etc). Inflatable ceiling hangers, table tent cards, 6ft cardboard cutouts and posters, though? A-OK. Knock yourself out.

The current Gov wants to basically turn ABC sales over to big-box stores and C-store chains for the princely sum of $400million...even though said sales net a $250million/year profit for the state. But that's for another thread (or not).

[dando]

Add to the list the old SC law that only permitted liquor-based drink sales with the 'airline' mini bottles in bars and restaurants, which finally was killed a couple of years ago. Imagine ordering a Long Island Iced Tea under that law. :saywhat:

-Kevin

[TKGAngel]

In NY, you can't sell wine in grocery stores. There was a big campaign recently to overthrow that law, especially since the NY wine industry is such a money maker. However, while the public was in favor of the law (minus the "what about the children" lobby), the liquor store lobby managed to get the government to shoot down the idea.


Krogers if you are from oHIo

If you were from B-lo, that would be Kroger's. Superfluous apostrophes are teh awesome. :)

[Andrew Longman]

I don't know if it is still the case, but in OK it was illegal for the state liquor store to sell anything but liquor. So if you wanted a gin and tonic you had to do to one store for the gin and other for the tonic. :rolleyes:

And liquor by the drink was illegal, unless it was in a BYO club where they would gladly mix your drink for you for a fee, provided you brought the booze with you.

Elmo, PA beer and liquor laws never made sense. But then neither do your fireworks laws which only allow sales to non-residents (not residents) provided they take them out of state. Of course it is illegal to bring fireworks into NJ.

No one is complaining though. At least you can readily get fireworks even if it simply illegal. No problem except for the few times a year when the NJSP feel the need to put on a show of force at the border (and take down NJ plate numbers at the PA fireworks border stores).

[Ankf00]

^ The only person I know that has one of those lives in Utah. :laugh:

every other southerner you know has one too

[NismoZ]

My Asylum just increased it's income tax by 67% then happily passed a "budget" about 1.8 billion $ in the red, and plans to borrow 18 BILLION more! That'll save us. Wishful thinking, I guess? Not to worry though, I think we only rank 49th as far as deficit goes. But we care about people...no smoking in the casinos! Doesn't sound like 1905 here!

[Elmo T]

... But then neither do your fireworks laws which only allow sales to non-residents (not residents) provided they take them out of state. Of course it is illegal to bring fireworks into NJ.


And how dumb are those laws. :shakehead

PA lets you build a giant fireworks store that cannot sell to anyone from PA. That is why you only see those stores along the borders.

Show your NJ driver's license and you can buy all you want. You just can't use them in PA or take them home.

NJ was looking to file action against PA - implying that the fireworks stores were complicit in violating NJ law by selling them to NJ residents. I don't think it had any traction.

[G.]

^ The only person I know that has one of those lives in Utah. :laugh:

I think I've got a couple of those. :)

[dando]

And how dumb are those laws. :shakehead

PA lets you build a giant fireworks store that cannot sell to anyone from PA. That is why you only see those stores along the borders.

Show your NJ driver's license and you can buy all you want. You just can't use them in PA or take them home.

NJ was looking to file action against PA - implying that the fireworks stores were complicit in violating NJ law by selling them to NJ residents. I don't think it had any traction.

Indyanna and oHIo are full of those, too. They make you sign an affidavit that you take them out of state. Of course our neighbors buy them outside of oHIo and bring them back here for the annual 4th of July festivities. :laugh: :saywhat: A real PITA when the girls were <2 and trying to sleep through the noise. :irked:

-Kevin <== dude who used to go through 'used' fireworks as a kid to find unexploded 'works. :gomer:

EDIT: I once found some unexploded fire crackers and managed to set them off using matches as fuses outside our patio one Sunday AM after the 4th and the neighbor's kid exclaimed 'KEVIN!' when they went off. Needless to say I scurried away quickly. :D

[Andrew Longman]

NJ was looking to file action against PA - implying that the fireworks stores were complicit in violating NJ law by selling them to NJ residents. I don't think it had any traction.Yes it became a source for dueling legislatures and AGs. But no one could figure out who had legit jurisdiction. Jersey can't write laws that apply in PA. And they can't sue the PA legislature.

In the end, people in Jersey were happy to be able to buy fireworks and PA was happy to collect the taxes from people outside PA. Politically it was a non starter.

Except by design it is intended to be illegal.

And people wonder why we'll never get our politics and finances sorted out.

Maybe Utah isn't so bad. Just plan you booze buys better.

[Napoleon]

PA has its State Stores - the only place to buy hard liquor is from the State itself. And closed on Sundays.

Beer is sold in special beer distributors which can't sell 6-packs. 6-packs can be sold in licensed stores and in some restaurants and bars. Wegman's recently won the right to sell beer, but only in their take-out food market area.

I don't even know that I can adequately explain the system. :saywhat:

And no car sales on Sunday either.

I grew up on the Ohio side of the Ohio/PA border and beer was significantly cheaper in PA at those beer distributers so people were known to drive over and buy, which of course lead to the Ohio authorities to run undercover operations in PA where they would follow people back over the border and arrest them for avoiding Ohio laws.

[Don Quixote]

I grew up on the Ohio side of the Ohio/PA border and beer was significantly cheaper in PA at those beer distributers so people were known to drive over and buy, which of course lead to the Ohio authorities to run undercover operations in PA where they would follow people back over the border and arrest them for avoiding Ohio laws.
Same thing happened at the Kentucky Border, or so I'm told. :D

[JoeBob]

Here in Minnesota, there are no liquor sales on Sundays.

You can buy beer in supermarkets and convenience stores, but not wine or liquor, and the beer cannot be sold after 10PM, on Sunday - and most amazingly, may not have more than 3.2% alcohol by volume(!).

Cities have a choice, they can have either a municipal liquor store or privately owned liquor stores, but not both.

Oh, and state law requires car dealerships to be closed on Sundays as well.

[cameraman]

Here is a great write up about the stupidity that are Utah's liquor laws.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/20/us/20liquor.html?_r=2&ref=dining

An example of the idiocy is that a double shot is illegal but you can order a shot of something else on the side so:

A gin and tonic with a shot of vodka on the side = legal
A gin and tonic with a shot of gin on the side = illegal

Utardia :saywhat::shakehead:flame::rolleyes::confused: