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Yeah, that's what I was going by. So, Chevy gets it's name on the RML WTCC engine...an RML/Chevy?....BUT, Nissan pays RML to produce the same engine for the D'Wang...essentially an RML/Nissan? Nissan still provides the engines to RML for BOTH applications, then? Or is Nissan building it's own 'Wang engine, in house? Just wondering how the guy gets to say it's a Juke.:confused: So, who's at Sebring, a bunch of RML guys or a squad of Japanese "technicians?":D
opinionated ow
03-15-12, 09:27 AM
Yeah, that's what I was going by. So, Chevy gets it's name on the RML WTCC engine...an RML/Chevy?....BUT, Nissan pays RML to produce the same engine for the D'Wang...essentially an RML/Nissan? Nissan still provides the engines to RML for BOTH applications, then? Or is Nissan building it's own 'Wang engine, in house? Just wondering how the guy gets to say it's a Juke.:confused: So, who's at Sebring, a bunch of RML guys or a squad of Japanese "technicians?":D
n 2011 RML Engines debuted the new RML Chevrolet FIA Appendix engine, a 1.6 litre Direct Injection turbo engine, the first designed from the ground up by the department. Used in the 2011 RML Chevrolet Cruze, the engine secured 1st, 2nd and 3rd in Qualifying on its first run in public before taking a clean sweep of the podium in the first race of the World Championship.
http://www.rmlmallock.co.uk/web/RML-Engines/Manufacturing
I'm guessing the fact that it is an 1.6I4T is the reason they claim it to be out of the juke...
extramundane
03-15-12, 10:04 AM
Just wondering how the guy gets to say it's a Juke.:confused:
You've met marketing people before, right?
Methanolandbrats
03-15-12, 11:20 AM
who's at Sebring, a bunch of RML guys or a squad of Japanese "technicians?":D
OT, but reminded me of the time the Mazda GTP car burned to the ground while a group of white shirted Japanese technicians stood there taking notes. :rofl: The Porsche team almost pissed themselves laughing.
Methanolandbrats
03-15-12, 11:25 AM
That would describe drag racers. Problem if it was all out like that, it would make the '60's look positively safe by comparison. If you had an energy limit, any fuel you like, the cars WOULD be loafing along some of the time, but one consequence of that is drivers could pass any time they wanted, which wouldn't be bad. Truth is, listen to them on the radio now. It isn't balls to the wall for the full distance. They have lap time targets for fuel or tire preservation as it is now. It wouldn't be that different.
If somebody showed up with a dinky, slippery car with a 1.0 L turbo together with flywheel energy recovery, exhaust gas energy recovery, some way to get useful energy out of the cooling water they could design for a lower top speed, spend more energy on generating downforce and play the momentum game. Another car could take a big engine, low downforce approach and go like stink on the straight and take it easy in the corners. Maybe even have to coast a bit before braking to conserve fuel, kind of like the old days when the brakes couldn't handle full-on braking for every corner.
Cars with different capabilities. REAL racing would return.
Put an energy limit on it and you could throw the rules pretty much wide open and the cars still couldn't develop excessive speeds. If they get going to fast, you drop the energy limit.
A modern 917 would be no faster and a hell of a lot safer than anything from the 60s, 70s or 80s. Note the Audi LMP 1 crashes of last year. Rules should be as follows: minimum weight, limits on materials, wheelbase, maximum displacement and a limit on aero grip. That is all you need to open things up.
Great RML thing! Got my answer to the "in-house" question. Thanks! Nothing I like better than extensive mathematical design optimization!:D So...no difference in the RML Nissan and Chevy...other than who is paying for it? PS...I watched a few of those WTCC & BTCC races and was very impressed by those little Chevs. Also heard people whining about "the turbos." Did Chevy just BUY another title? Geez, they won 21 of 24 WTCC races last season!! How does a Honda beat 'em in BTCC, then? Tighter tracks?
miatanut
03-15-12, 12:35 PM
Rules should be as follows: minimum weight, limits on materials, wheelbase, maximum displacement and a limit on aero grip. That is all you need to open things up.
I'd like to see a top-level series adopt a formula like that, and another top-level series have an energy limit (any fuel), safety rules, & limits on materials. I suppose vehicle width would be a good thing to limit so people can pass on narrow circuits. Say, about the width of a 1960's F1 car, so there is some weight transfer for the engineers to fight and a compromise between tire width and vehicle width.
extramundane
03-15-12, 02:29 PM
Apparently it did 2 whole laps in the 2:30 range, which would have put it a solid 34th on the grid.
The F2000 grid.
Methanolandbrats
03-15-12, 02:44 PM
Apparently it did 2 whole laps in the 2:30 range, which would have put it a solid 34th on the grid.
The F2000 grid.
Time to bolt a small-block Chevy crate motor in it :gomer:
But the engine didn't blow up, and the car did not catch on fire.
That's something the new crapwagons can't say. :thumbup:
Slow is smooth. Smooth is fast.
Today, 34th baby! Tomorrow? 33rd!:thumbup: What were Parnelli's 1st 2 laps at the Speedway in '67?;)
datachicane
03-15-12, 06:56 PM
Needs more ripcord.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/42/PLM_2011_DeltaWing_4.jpg/800px-PLM_2011_DeltaWing_4.jpg
http://www.toynerd.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/ssp6.jpg
SurfaceUnits
03-16-12, 02:46 AM
http://wot.motortrend.com/deltawing-racer-headed-to-le-mans-with-tuned-nissan-juke-powertrain-178997.html
Napoleon
03-16-12, 06:00 AM
Needs more ripcord.
:rofl:
I loved those as a kid.
extramundane
03-16-12, 07:45 AM
Mulsanne's Corner (http://www.mulsannescorner.com/Sebring2012.html):
We spoke briefly with Nissan's Darren Cox and tried to hammer down the origins of the engine. Yes, RML is behind the powerplant. Given Nissan's existing relationship with RML naturally it made sense to tap into their previous 4-cylinder turbo experience (MG, Chevy WTCC, etc). Cox indicates that the brief handed to RML was for a light weight turbo 4-cylinder with low fuel consumption. And not to be pedantic, but the discussions were in the future tense (the engine will...) and he did admit that the current engine is indeed "interim," as mentioned on these pages last week. We suspect the truth is something like this: the interim engine is most likely the Chevy WTCC engine given the time tables, and that RML is currently designing the definitive Nissan specified engine. Mr. Cox did say that the Nissan brief should produce an engine substantially lighter than the interim engine.
Thanks again. :thumbup: Live (streaming) quallies from Sebring today, ESPN3 2:15. CDT... SIXTY Years!? (and I remember #6 :eek:..still have my "Sounds Of Sebring" LP...I'd play it tomorrow in honor of Mike Hawthorn...if I had a needle!
So interim engine for Sebring, new engine for Le Mans?
Sebring looked really good! Lots of cars, lots of spectators. CLOSE qualifying. Audi 1-2-3, go figure. Go Muscle Milk!:thumbup: (I was always a Greg Pickett fan) Wish they had more than 11 cars in P1, though. Wish they had a whole stand alone RACE for the GT guys...with about 30 more cars:)! Bruni, Melo, Mags, Gavin, Beretta...that'll be the fun one to watch. In another post I think I may have shown a little disrespect for "big, yellow, honkin'" cars but MAN, do they sound nice!:thumbup:
Apparently it did 2 whole laps in the 2:30 range, which would have put it a solid 34th on the grid.
The F2000 grid.
Just ahead of Shannon Macintosh..
Well,welll, wellll...Six hours in and little Tommy Milner leads SEVEN GTs, all within 40 secs. That's a pretty good race!
Incredible GT Finish! Beretta bumps Hand out of the way with less than 1 lap to go...then Hand regains the lead on the last TURN and even Magnussen sneaks by for 2nd. BMW, Ferrari, Corvette. Good ol' Sebring!... Huh, Beretta gave himself a flat when he punted Hand, who was expecting that kind of move, and Joey was ready to "put him into the tires" at the end, but didn't have to. Ah, racing justice.... Ooops, this just in...it was Bruni who pushed Hand off track, then Beretta spun trying to avoid the mess. Bruni was only about a HUNDRED laps down. Nice try to mess up a great finish.:mad:
extramundane
03-21-12, 02:58 PM
The old 7th Gear folks might get a chuckle out of this (http://www.ten-tenths.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3046129#post3046129), starting at post 828.
:rofl:
Napoleon
03-21-12, 03:17 PM
Franklin lives!
extramundane
03-21-12, 03:30 PM
Dang, dude's been disappeared already. :rofl:
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