Indy Car driving experience report

[Shadow]

http://www.driving.ca/vancouversun/Strike+bucket+list/5958208/story.html

[Mr. Vengeance]

The real Indycar experience ends in a helicopter ride. Maybe you have to pay extra for that.

At least the empty grandstands are like the real thing.

[Methanolandbrats]

Suppose I want the full experience, so I flatfoot the bitch and grater it, does that cost extra?

[chop456]

^ Can't imagine you'd have to pay extra for the expected result. That doesn't make sense.

[Chief]

least the empty grandstands are like the real thing.
Yup, they removed them...just like the real thing.

[devilmaster]

i remember reading an article years ago, very similar to this, except that a guy had bought 2 Arrows F1 cars from the year Christian Fittipaldi drove for them and they were offering track days at Shannonville outside of Toronto.

Is there any other OW experiences anymore other than Indycar at the house of mouse?

[TravelGal]

Mario, and I don't mean Dominguez, has one. Lotsa choices. Moves all over the country. Home page has a link for financing. :eek:

[Elmo T]

I asked what happens if anything breaks on the car.

“It won’t,” I was told, “but should anything go wrong just stay in the car, unless you’re on fire.”

Because, just like in real Indycar, we won't be able to handle a shunt with a fire... :saywhat:

[Andrew Longman]

A friend did Mario's experience out in Vegas. He loved it but said almost all the orientation and classroom portion was educating him about how he couldn't sue Mario. :rofl:

Personally, for about the same money I'd rather do a half day school at something like Bertle Roos. It isn't as fast but you actually learn something and get to drive the car at the limit.

http://www.racenow.com/About/about.html

I had a blast with this.

[Napoleon]

I had a blast with this.

Where did you take the course?

[Andrew Longman]

Where did you take the course?On the road course at Pocono -- which is an infield layout using T1 going clockwise.

I see they also now run a school at NJ Motorsport Park -- which IMO could be a more interesting layout.

Closer to you they run http://www.racenow.com/Tracks/beaverun.html

[devilmaster]

ouch. just went to andretti website. That hurts the eyes... lol

[cartcanuck]

Here's the real IndyCar driving experience:

http://images.smh.com.au/2011/10/17/2696410/1_1_1_vd-indycar-crash-408x264.jpg

http://images.usatoday.com/sports/motor/_photos/2003-12-19-inside-brack.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/--OcArEPMi6U/Tp0dN-51eMI/AAAAAAAAA5c/QjykGjWojyc/s1600/Indy_Car_Crash%2Bphotos.jpg

[Spicoli]

This is grate. Coupla kwestyuns:

Do we get a real helmet? You know, one with tire marks on it?

If we pick a red car, does that mean we win?

Do you provide a final will at this price?

[Rogue Leader]

i remember reading an article years ago, very similar to this, except that a guy had bought 2 Arrows F1 cars from the year Christian Fittipaldi drove for them and they were offering track days at Shannonville outside of Toronto.

Is there any other OW experiences anymore other than Indycar at the house of mouse?

Yeah I've heard of them I think they travel around. I believe they have a couple Arrows F1 cars and a couple of other F1 cars as well. Nothing special, I think one may be a Prost or Jordan or something.


A friend did Mario's experience out in Vegas. He loved it but said almost all the orientation and classroom portion was educating him about how he couldn't sue Mario. :rofl:

Personally, for about the same money I'd rather do a half day school at something like Bertle Roos. It isn't as fast but you actually learn something and get to drive the car at the limit.

http://www.racenow.com/About/about.html

I had a blast with this.

Exactly, Skip Barber offers an Intro to Racing school that actually has real instruction. It does cost considerably more ($800 I believe, used to be $595).

I guess I'm a bit jaded, but working my way up to 125 mph, on an oval, while following an instructor, doesn't sound like my idea of exciting.

[Napoleon]

On the road course at Pocono -- which is an infield layout using T1 going clockwise.

I see they also now run a school at NJ Motorsport Park -- which IMO could be a more interesting layout.

http://www.racenow.com/Tracks/beaverun.html

I was with my brother when he ran that course at Pocono (they have several road course layouts they can run). It was funny seeing the cars on the banking.

I ran Beaverrun once and really liked the course, but had engine problems all weekend long.

[NismoZ]

Bertil Roos! Saw him race a few times at RA. Good old Formula Atlantic!

[NismoZ]

Oooo...is that what they call a "nose up attitude" on the 33 car? Needs aero work.

[Gnam]

That's not an experience. THIS is an experience.
:cool:



"What's it like?"

by Mike Cannon
Player's/Forsythe Chief Engineer

December 2003

Michael Cannon is the chief engineer for the championship-winning team, but recently in Las Vegas, he pulled on a race suit, helmet and gloves, and climbed aboard the Lola-Cosworth to see what it was like on the other side of the fence. Here, in his own words, is what it was like out there.

Invariably, when I'm in a social situation and someone's asked me what I do for a living, their next question is "Do you ever get a chance to drive the car?" Until now, the answer has always been "No".

For the past two years, Player's/Forsythe has done a 'Play-Day' for the Player's executives, wherein people like Imperial's CEO Bob Bexon, account executives Michael Bonelli, Mark Thorne, Neil Blanche, et al., come out and run about 30 laps each, at speed, in what are effectively their Champ Cars. This has taken place on the 1.10 mile infield circuit at the Las Vegas Motor Speedway which features mostly low speed, long radius turns and relatively short straight-aways-ideal for beginners.

Graciously, they've also left the balance of the second day's running open so that various team members have an opportunity to sample the cars as well. This year I was fortunate to be included on that list of candidates.

Now, racing cars are nothing new to me. I raced Formula Fords out of the SCCA Cen-Div in the mid-eighties and have been lucky enough to sample various other cars throughout the years including Mark Hotchkis' Lola Indy lights car back in 1996. Despite it having been seven years since I had driven a pukka racing car, I felt nothing in the way of trepidation on my way to the track. No racing car had ever intimidated me in the past, so what's the big deal right?

Remember that last sentence.

I chose to drive one of Paul's chassis as we are similar in both height and weight. The seat and pedals were almost ideal for my frame and the boys only had to adjust the seatbelts slightly. In less than 5 minutes, I was fitted to the championship winning Lola.

The starter motor whirs the 750 horsepower Ford-Cosworth to life. It's actually tough to tell when the starter has finished its work as the idle speed and the starter speed are very similar-nearly 2000 rpm. The engine rises and falls gently to my prompting. The motor feels like a smooth-running Gatling gun strapped to my backbone, the rigid carbon-fiber tub transmitting each cylinder's firing directly to my spine. I select first gear and gently release the clutch. The electronic injection system is so accurate and user-friendly that one can actually ease one of these cars away from a stop just you'd roll your daily driver away from an intersection.

I trundle out of pit lane in first and then select second. The gear lever effort is surprisingly light but is also quite precise at the same time. I can feel that the tires are cold. The ride feel through the steering wheel is hard, like the tires are made of solid rubber, and the car has a generally vague feel to it. I use the throttle sparingly and do my best to coast quickly around the turns in hopes of bringing the tires up closer to their intended operating temperature.

Within a lap and a half, I feel the car begin to track like a painted line thought the turns. The ride has become more plush as the tires have heated up and I know that I'm going to have start pushing harder if I'm going to get the tires closer yet to an effective temperature. I ease into the last turn and, in second gear, at about three quarters through the corner, apply full throttle.

The car, for lack of a better description, becomes enraged. Absolutely, positively enraged. The acceleration is ferocious, shoving me brusquely into the thinly padded seat. Startled, I can only grab for third gear. Then fourth and fifth. I have no idea of the revs – my mind is still in the final turn – I'm driving purely on reflex now. Despite the Cosworth motor howling its guts out behind me, I'm startled by the string of profanities I spew into the relative quiet of my helmet. I feel like a fastball coming out of a major-league pitcher's hand. Objects that were on the horizon two seconds ago now flash past in a blur, like they've come from an enormous sling shot directed at me. I don't travel to the next turn; I'm warped there like outtake from an episode of Star Trek. The jump to hyper-space in the original Star Wars has nothing on this thing.

From the top of fifth gear, about 150 mph, I hit the brakes. Now, we've all read about the stopping ability of these cars – it's legendary – but I am totally unprepared for what happens next. The car doesn't slow down as such, but rather sheds its speed in an instant. The effect is as if I'd had a head on collision with a 1959 Cadillac while riding a 10-speed at full tilt. The tenacious grip from the meaty tires combined with stopping power of the carbon-metallic pads is simply staggering. I later find out the data shows I've only mustered half the typical brake pedal pressure Pat or Paul would use over a stop...

Slightly dazed from the violence of the preceding blast down the straight and subsequent braking zone, I cautiously bend the car into turn 1, a 90 degree second gear left-hander. The grip level is already far above what I expect. The Bridgestones are gaining bite by the second and I squirt the car to turn 2 with a shot of full throttle, driving the car a bit harder in to the 180 degree turn 3. The G force instantly builds to tremendous level, forcing my head against the padded, horseshoe shaped headrest despite my best efforts to keep myself erect. Despite the impressive grip level, I notice the steering effort required is rather light, but then again the aero load on the car at 70 mph is somewhat minimal. Again, at the exit of the turn, I give the beast a full kick in the guts, grabbing third once the rev lights show me it's time. A quick jab at the brakes and back to second for a quick right-left chicane. The right-hander flashes past and I whip the steering to the left.

I am backwards in an instant, facing the direction from whence I came.

It happens that fast. I've spun 90 degrees in the blink of an eye.

These cars are so completely different to anything I've ever experienced that I've been caught completely flat-footed.. The point to point acceleration is so enormous that by simply getting on the power one car length earlier than the lap before means you're going markedly faster than your previous tour. An Indy Lights car felt like a fast FF2000 car, this thing is like the bloody Space Shuttle, only pissed. Really pissed.

The boys head out with 'Safety-One', a rental van equipped with a starter, tow rope and fire extinguishers. I mutter a sheepish apology and they kindly restart the car. I ease away again and restart the process of bringing the tires back up to temperature.

Ultimately, I finish my allocation of five laps with yet another spin – this time at turn 1. Keen to set a lap time before the tires are ready, I hustled into the corner too fast and the car simply shrugged me off again, as if to remind me who was boss. Like I had any doubts.

I cannot adequately describe the fury with which these cars accelerate, stop and turn as I never even began to scratch the surface of its full potential. I can say that even half-cocked these cars are wild animals. Not vicious but rather high strung, eager Mustangs with a seriously bad attitude.

I must say that my short run in the Player's Lola was a serious eye-opener. I've always respected Paul and Pat's ability at mastering these difficult cars but now I have genuine appreciation for their talents as well. I simply cannot imagine having to actually race one of these animals through the streets of Long Beach or Vancouver and yet they make it look so effortless. Truly impressive.

My eternal gratitude goes out to Gerry Forsythe and Player's for allowing me this once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. Just one thing: can we make this a once-a-year opportunity? I know where I can find a bunch of time in the last two turns...

[FTG]

I did this. But things do break. And it kinda hurts when they do. (http://www.race2000.com/)

[G.]

I did this. But things do break. And it kinda hurts when they do. (http://www.race2000.com/)


Why our school?

SAFETY
Our schools have a 27-year injury free safety record!

Do you have a different interpretation?

[Indy]

That's not an experience. THIS is an experience.
:cool:

Thanks, that was wonderful to read. Now I am going to have to watch some races. :D

[SurfaceUnits]

Oooo...is that what they call a "nose up attitude" on the 33 car? Needs aero work.

I think Fred Nation calls it the Our Cars Don't Fly attitude

[FTG]

Do you have a different interpretation?

Not really. Shunts happen. Makes for a cool, "I walked away" story.

[TravelGal]

Also saw this in a recent article
http://www.allenbergracingschools.com/programs/