Boost increase for Indy qualifying

[Hard Driver]

Reading this article on Indy rookies and I see this:


On Thursday, IndyCar said it will increase the turbocharger boost levels for three days next week — the day before qualifying, Pole Day and Bump Day. The increase should result in an additional 40-50 horsepower.


http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2012/05/10/3-veteran-drivers-test-skills-with-indy-rookies/

Looks like they will be breaking 220.

[cameraman]

Might get Alesi up to 200

[Andrew Longman]

On Thursday, IndyCar said it will increase the turbocharger boost levels for three days next week...

Just those three days, then they slow them down?

WTF is that?

Somehow I think if they are going to do that that they shouldn't admit it.

[stroker]

where's that picture of Wile E. Coyote and the rocket?

[Methanolandbrats]

Dooshnozzles make up rules on the fly. When do they put rodeo clowns in barrels on the straights and make it into a chicane.

[Kiwifan]

I love this place. :) The only thing worrying me is if the IRL or whatever it's called goes belly up what will we make fun of then? At the moment it's a bit easy. :tony:

[High Sided]

works for me and my $15 adventure to pole day. :thumbup:

[Chief]

where's that picture of Wile E. Coyote and the rocket?

http://www.dan-dare.org/freefun/Images/CartoonsMoviesTV/WileECoyote.jpg

[SurfaceUnits]

works for me

it worked for Scott Brayton also

[Elmo T]

Dooshnozzles make up rules on the fly. When do they put rodeo clowns in barrels on the straights and make it into a chicane.

Maybe they should bring back Tony Stewart as a consultant. He was all full of ideas for NASCAB. :gomer::rofl:

[Racing Truth]

Yeah, I agree w/ most. Just do it for the whole month and leave it. Phillips claims they can't. (http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/article/indycar-series-adds-extra-boost-defines-aero-options-for-indy/) To me, I'm good w/ engines grenading on race day. Adds another element.

Funny thing is if the goal was to get to 220 or higher, well, already done today by Newgarden. Minus the psi increase, I'd guess 222-223 for pole. With it, more like 225-226.

[Dvdb]

Let's be honest. It's a PR ploy so they can get eyeballs for the race. Helio qualifies as 217. Average viewer says "cool" and doesn't care they turn the boost down and run 205 top on race day.

[Andrew Longman]

Let's be honest. It's a PR ploy...Right. And it is pathetic stupid.

What does this have to do with the competitive legacy of Indy? Even the mix a d match of dallara parts sounds stupid.

[stroker]

Let's be honest. It's a PR ploy so they can get eyeballs for the race. Helio qualifies as 217. Average viewer says "cool" and doesn't care they turn the boost down and run 205 top on race day.

It's less than that. They can't afford to be standing around with their pants around their ankles having promoted a new car and ending up slower than Scheisswagon 2.0 even with all the new swoopy bodywork.

[SurfaceUnits]

http://assets.speedtv.com/images/article_assets/110/1107907/1107907_article_img_large1.jpg

[opinionated ow]

http://assets.speedtv.com/images/article_assets/110/1107907/1107907_article_img_large1.jpg

Is that for real? Muhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha *snort* hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahaha *breathe* hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahaha *gasp* hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha *pass out*

[RTKar]

Is it paper mache?

[Chief]

Thats all bumper BTW...the wing is not attached to it.

They look slow, they're not twitchy, the engine sounds NA-ish because of low revs/V6...not quite the grunt of the V8's. Meh...

None of it is appetizing. :thumdown:

I long for the days of true turbo whine echoing through the canyons of speed and the winds of burnt methanol swirling about. That was racing for me, I shall never forget.

[Methanolandbrats]

Thats all bumper BTW...the wing is not attached to it.

They look slow, they're not twitchy, the engine sounds NA-ish because of low revs/V6...not quite the grunt of the V8's. Meh...

None of it is appetizing. :thumdown:

I long for the days of true turbo whine echoing through the canyons of speed and the winds of burnt methanol swirling about. That was racing for me, I shall never forget.

There ain't gonna be no more Airy Liondike moments where he stepped out of the tub all bug eyed and white faced cuz he went about as fast as ya can.

[Chief]

Fascinating...do they have wind tunnels in Italy?


The day after experiencing his first serious dose of the tow the new Dallara DW12 chassis creates around Indianapolis, the Frenchman was awe-inspired by the Hanford Device-like effect the car has for those traveling in its wake....

"It sounds great having a big draft behind these cars, but you lose so much downforce on the front of the car. Way more than before."

"It's something to be concerned about in the race."

Unstable Tow (http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/article/indycar-big-tows-bring-benefits-and-concerns-at-indy/)

[Chief]

Gimmicks R Us Day...this is working out great. :p


If the two Dragon cars get on track, the 500 will have its 33 car-and-driver combinations. Because no more competitors are expected, IndyCar officials are devising a plan to spice up Sunday's Bump Day.

Details are still to be finalized, but the concept is to award a $5,000 bonus to the fastest driver at the top of each hour.

Bump Day blues (http://www.indystar.com/article/20120513/SPORTS0107/205130387/Indy-500-Saavedra-Sunday-s-fastest-others-limbo?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|IndyStar.com) :shakehead

[SteveH]

Fascinating...do they have wind tunnels in Italy?



Unstable Tow (http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/article/indycar-big-tows-bring-benefits-and-concerns-at-indy/)


This coud prove to be extremely dangerous on race day when all the cars will be on track. IndyCar should play it safe and not start 33 this year. :tony:

[Elmo T]

Gimmicks R Us Day...this is working out great. :p


Maybe someone can qualify for a fan - splitting the winnings - just like "racing for a fan". 'Cause that worked so well the last time. :saywhat::shakehead

Has a single positive thing been said about the the DW12 at IMS?


Barfield said it was "unlikely" that cars at the low end will be denied a chance to start the 500, but they'd better not lag behind after the green flag

Sure let them in, because they will find 20mph between qualifying and the race? Maybe Mario can qualify the two-seater to fill out the field??

[SurfaceUnits]

Gimmicks R Us Day...this is working out great. :p



Bump Day blues (http://www.indystar.com/article/20120513/SPORTS0107/205130387/Indy-500-Saavedra-Sunday-s-fastest-others-limbo?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|IndyStar.com) :shakehead

HAy CHief has it ever been a better time 2 b a h8r

[dando]

Maybe someone can qualify for a fan - splitting the winnings - just like "racing for a fan". 'Cause that worked so well the last time. :saywhat::shakehead

Has a single positive thing been said about the the DW12 at IMS?



Sure let them in, because they will find 20mph between qualifying and the race? Maybe Mario can qualify the two-seater to fill out the field??

Random sprinklers are next I tell ya! :tony:

-Kevin

[Chief]

HAy CHief has it ever been a better time 2 b a h8r

Lemmings are jumping off the cliff in apocalyptic numbers...lemmings! :laugh:

[Methanolandbrats]

This coud prove to be extremely dangerous on race day when all the cars will be on track. IndyCar should play it safe and not start 33 this year. :tony:

Hell no, they should start 66 :thumbup:

[Andrew Longman]

I loved Dispain last night asking Miller if was true that the I500 pace car will have more HP than the race cars.

HTF did THAT happen?

Nevermind. I know.

[Chief]

I loved Dispain last night asking Miller if was true that the I500 pace car will have more HP than the race cars.

HTF did THAT happen?

Nevermind. I know.

When was the last time the pace car had MORE HP than the race car at Indy? :laugh:

Yes siree, this is a fine time to be! :rofl:

[Andrew Longman]

Yep. Miller quickly summed it up with a comment that they need 1000hp and described a recent conversation with Will Power where Power agreed they need to get back to lifting/breaking in the turns at Indy (or needed major balls not to)

[cameraman]

Yep. Miller quickly summed it up with a comment that they need 1000hp and described a recent conversation with Will Power where Power agreed they need to get back to lifting/breaking in the turns at Indy (or needed major balls not to)

While lifting/breaking is most likely correct give the probable design crew I'm sure that Power would greatly prefer lifting/braking:p

[Methanolandbrats]

I am knot ashamed to admit I will tune into this Festival du Fiber Carbon and I will be drinking fine ales and eating grilled animal parts. :D

[Andrew Longman]

While lifting/breaking is most likely correct give the probable design crew I'm sure that Power would greatly prefer lifting/braking:p

Got me. :tony:

Regardless by my calculations the new IRL spec has a power to weight ratio of .335

The Vette at 3300# and 638 hp is .19.

OK so that's not as good. But it seats two, has a roof, trunk, HVAC, stereo, head/road lights and mufflers, etc. And a license plate.

I mean, Really!?!

It doesn't even use a turbo. ;)

[gerhard911]

While lifting/breaking is most likely correct give the probable design crew I'm sure that Power would greatly prefer lifting/braking:p

LOL, I was tempted but figured I already pick on Cleveburg and :gomer: residents. NJ just seemed to be piling on. :p

[Chief]

Gahhhh:rofl:

Racing Truth...aint you got kNow tin to aDDd?

[Wheel-Nut]

Yep. Miller quickly summed it up with a comment that they need 1000hp and described a recent conversation with Will Power where Power agreed they need to get back to lifting/breaking in the turns at Indy (or needed major balls not to)

If the cars had 1000 hp this year how many drivers in the field this year would be able to drive them?

Maybe 11?

[gerhard911]

1000hp in that chassis? I'm guessing nobody :\

[Racing Truth]

If the cars had 1000 hp this year how many drivers in the field this year would be able to drive them?

Maybe 11?

And even some of the better ones are so used to less hp (from the IRL days, esp.) that I think those who SHOULD be able to handle it, might struggle.

That said, I think 1000 hp is a pipedream. For r/s courses, no problem. But for ovals (esp. IMS, Fontana and either Pocono or MIS), the amount of df you'd have to lop off would be significant, likely unrealistic. We hit 241 at Fontana 12 yrs. ago, with Hanford and, I'm sure, far less df than today. Give 'em 700-750 hp, trim SOME df off, and be done w/ it.

On the tow issue, we'll see. Seemed fine in happy hour yesterday.

[Don Quixote]

The number of cars that they park after 1 or 2 laps for "mechanical problems" will be directly proportional to the hp of the cars.

[Rogue Leader]

The number of cars that they park after 1 or 2 laps for "mechanical problems" will be directly proportional to the hp of the cars.

Alesi's Lotus is gonna be a hand grenade on the scale of BAR Honda with Takuma Sato driving proportions.

[SteveH]

I really hope that Honda launches a few plenums.

[Elmo T]

I really hope that Honda launches a few plenums.

I hope the launches are limited to plenums - no chassis. :saywhat:

I enjoyed reading about the 205mph pace car (http://espn.go.com/racing/indycar/story/_/id/7933458/food-network-host-guy-fieri-drive-indy-500-pace-car). That will be what, row 9 or 10? :rolleyes:

[Rex Karz]

If the cars had 1000 hp this year how many drivers in the field this year would be able to drive them?

Maybe 11?

Are you talking driving AND surviving or just driving and not surviving?

[Racing Truth]

Fascinating...do they have wind tunnels in Italy?



Unstable Tow (http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/article/indycar-big-tows-bring-benefits-and-concerns-at-indy/)

So, after watching happy hr. yesterday (some of the craziest stuff I've seen), I can say this: The tows are massive, probably +4-5 mph per lap! If stability is an issue, it won't matter b/c a) even at the low hp level, they still have better throttle response than last yr. and b) the draft is so strong that you can make up lost distance in a hurry. In other words, if you liked the Hanford races, well, you'll like the 500 (http://www.indianapolismotorspeedway.com/indy500/news/show/type/news/51710-remembering-the-handford-device/) (BTW: Is Oreo writing for IMS too?).

I think it overstates it a bit; passing won't be THAT easy at IMS. Whether this is good, I dunno.

[Don Quixote]

For the record, I hated the Hanford device races. :yuck:

[extramundane]

"likely coincided" (http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/article/indycar-series-tweaks-indy-aero-regs-makes-boost-allowance/)


"It is correct we allowed [Alesi's Fan Force United team] a short period of running at qualification boost as they had boost pressure issues and needed to get on top of them."

Phillips also confirmed that the temporary 40-50 hp increase likely coincided with Alesi's turning his fastest lap of the month (211.5 mph) on Monday which also allowed the Frenchman to pass and complete his third and final phase of the Rookie Orientation Program.

[Racing Truth]

"likely coincided" (http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/article/indycar-series-tweaks-indy-aero-regs-makes-boost-allowance/)

That was Marshall being wayyyyyyyyyy too diplomatic. Comically so.

The Loti will almost have to be start-and-parks. They're 15 mph off the top pace.

[Chief]

Fascinating development. Loose and fast with the regulations surrounding the Indy 500. Raises the question if this was approved by ICONIC Committee or just Will Phillips winging it. When you dream up equivalency formulas like this without 100% approval of the paddock, you play right into the competitors hands. Quick, someone file a complaint! ;)

[Racing Truth]

Fascinating development. Loose and fast with the regulations surrounding the Indy 500. Raises the question if this was approved by ICONIC Committee or just Will Phillips winging it. When you dream up equivalency formulas like this without 100% approval of the paddock, you play right into the competitors hands. Quick, someone file a complaint! ;)

Pretty sure ICONIC no longer exists. This was Will winging it.

[Chief]

You're too much! :laugh:

[dando]

For the record, I hated the Hanford device races. :yuck:

I liked the first one...Greg Moore won. :thumbup:

-Kevin

[Ed_Severson]

Alesi was all over the limiter for three quarters of the front straight for a good portion of the week. They have no boost control whatsoever.

[Chief]

Ed, what's the over/under in the paddock on Lotus making it past the 500?

This embarassment destroys their credibility and most likely what sponsorships they would have had left...I think they are DONE.

[Ed_Severson]

I kind of think they'll stumble through the rest of the season but it would not surprise me if they don't make it that far.

This is pure speculation on my part, but given all the gnashing of teeth that Chevy and Honda have been through picking up the slack after Lotus fell on their collective face, I could envision a scenario where they strike a deal to run one extra car each on Sunday and try to kill Lotus off for good by knocking them entirely out of the field.

[SteveH]

Doesn't the rules allow a slower engine manufacturer to make adjustments in June (following the only race that counts)?

[Ziggy]

Hard hitting insight there Ed

[Don Quixote]

When Honda and Chevy knock Lotus out, will they bake a big cake and celebrate?

[Racing Truth]

Doesn't the rules allow a slower engine manufacturer to make adjustments in June (following the only race that counts)?

Yes it does. Butttttt.... Lotus/Judd is so far behind, it might not matter, they're down to ONE FT car, and none of it solves the Indy problem.

Here's Miller's write-up. (http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/article/miller-help-or-heave-lotus-at-indy/) I'm not in favor of upping their boost as the first answer. Like Ed, my preference is for Honda and/or Chevy, plus two teams, to put the Lotudds out of their misery. If not, just blackflag them by Lap 10 and be done with it

[Rogue Leader]

Micro hits 227 today, in the draft

http://www.racer.com/chevrolets-dominate-indy-fast-friday-as-andretti-leads/article/241893/

[SurfaceUnits]

Doesn't the rules allow a slower engine manufacturer to make adjustments in June (following the only race that counts)?

what rules? the ones they made up yesterday or the ones they make up next week?

[SurfaceUnits]

Micro hits 227 today, in the draft

http://www.racer.com/chevrolets-dominate-indy-fast-friday-as-andretti-leads/article/241893/

he won't on race day. the slowest qualifier for the 1995 race was over 225 and that was within the rules that existed at the start of the month. So what's your point?

[Rogue Leader]

he won't on race day. the slowest qualifier for the 1995 race was over 225 and that was within the rules that existed at the start of the month. So what's your point?

My point was... the best they could do ... was 227.... in the draft.

You can't draft during qualifying.

[chop456]

Yet.

[Indy]

Haha, maybe they could run a 10 year old champ car with Hanford attached as a rabbit. Then they could pull the haplessmobile down the straight without fear of overtaking. :laugh:

[opinionated ow]

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/469196_10150817874190794_55772780793_9897167_47013 0723_o.jpg


Muhahahahahahahahaha. That's freaking hilarious

[RTKar]

Qualifying setup. Remember when everything was trimmed out, less drag, knifes edge, to eak out every last tenth? This abortion looks like it's trimmed out to land at Heathrow.

[opinionated ow]

What's the bit that looks like a pair of red testes just inboard of the right front wheel?

[SteveH]

What's the bit that looks like a pair of red testes just inboard of the right front wheel?

Truck nutz, they come in a variety of colors...

http://a248.e.akamai.net/origin-cdn.volusion.com/yetnp.exyaz/v/vspfiles/photos/Mid-Size%20Truck%20Nuts%20-%20Bright-2.jpg?1320409957

[NismoZ]

Pretty sure mine 'd be the blue ones!:gomer:

[Rex Karz]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3156/2990504300_4dd77a6a62.jpg

Did somebody say "nuts"?

[Ed_Severson]

What's the bit that looks like a pair of red testes just inboard of the right front wheel?

Camera.

[gjc2]

OK so that's not as good. But it seats two, has a roof, trunk, HVAC, stereo, head/road lights and mufflers, etc. And a license plate.

Does the pace car have navigation?

“In 5/8 of a mile turn left”
“In 1/8 of a mile turn left”
“In 5/8 of a mile turn left”
“In 1/8 of a mile turn left”
“In 5/8 of a mile turn left”