Owners want Randy Bernard OUT [Archive] - Page 3

cameraman

06-04-12, 10:12 PM

Please provide a Cliff's Notes version of that, I'm not reading an entire page by that retard. Thank you in advance.

Success of the Detroit GP really mattered to GM and it was a cluster****.
Team owners can't run racing series, they will always **** it up.
Bernard has done pretty well given the garbage he was handed and considering he doesn't know jack **** about racing.
IndyCar needs a strong leader or it is ****ed.
IndyCar needs to lose the spec chassis or it is ****ed.
IndyCar needs at least two more real engine builders or it is ****ed.
Owners, manufacturers and league must work together or it is ****ed.
These things won't happen so IndyCar is ****ed.

Methanolandbrats

06-04-12, 10:19 PM

Thanks dooder, I'll get an A+ in class thanks to you :rofl:

gerhard911

06-04-12, 10:42 PM

IndyCar is ****ed.

Abridged Cliff's Notes version. Includes all you really need to know.

06-04-12, 10:44 PM

Success of the Detroit GP really mattered to GM and it was a cluster****.
Team owners can't run racing series, they will always **** it up.
Bernard has done pretty well given the garbage he was handed and considering he doesn't know jack **** about racing.
IndyCar needs a strong leader or it is ****ed.
IndyCar needs to lose the spec chassis or it is ****ed.
IndyCar needs at least two more real engine builders or it is ****ed.
Owners, manufacturers and league must work together or it is ****ed.
These things won't happen so IndyCar is ****ed.

The last five items seem vaguely familiar.

cameraman

06-04-12, 11:21 PM

What I find just amazing is the idea that the people at GM really wanted the Detroit GP to polish the image of Detroit and what happens? On nationwide live TV and in front of a large number of guests (it didn't sell out on its own) it does the exact opposite and puts laser-like focus on the crumbling nature of the city.

Can you imagine the meetings this morning:eek::eek:

SurfaceUnits

06-05-12, 02:18 AM

stroker

06-05-12, 08:14 AM

...hows a .7 on networked tv work for your sponsors?

I looked all over for that number on the web. Where did you find it?

SteveH

06-05-12, 09:01 AM

AutoRacing1 shows 0.7

:edit:

and here
http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2012/06/tv-ratings-mets-no-hitter-earns-4-18-rating-also-indycar-french-open/

Chief

06-05-12, 11:14 AM

Oh bOy, just wait until we get the new aerokits...it'll be the breakout year! IRL Spec chassis are us....:laugh:

For the second time in a 13-month span, IndyCar team owners have united to reject aero kits for at least for the following season.

No Aero-kits 2013 (http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/article/indycar-owners-reject-aero-kits-again/)

SurfaceUnits

06-05-12, 11:25 AM

HAy Racing Delusion yer feller gomer threttens the league

indyphil
you guys who are on here all the time know I have been supporting this series through the IRL days, the spec. car days, the almost closing shop because of the economy days, but this is the last straw. F the owners and F Indy car I give up blow up the series. Make Indy a one off with very few rules and lets go racing in May. If I want to watch the same cars go around in circles with different engines in them I'll watch nascar. I'll continue to read about Indycar on speed and go to the Indy 500 but untill they get different cars or at least slightly different looking cars I will not continue to watch these idiots. Randy you better do something or you can all go straight to H***.

I think it is funny that none of them can thretten to not go to other races, because they are already not going to other races

Another one off gomer :rolleyes:
HAy Racing Delusion, why do none of yer feller fans go to all them grate IRLcar races,,,,why do all yer feller gomers only go to one race?

Indy

06-05-12, 12:01 PM

The last five items seem vaguely familiar.

Yeah, I can't quite put my finger on it, but it seems like something from about five years ago.

Hey, you got your tickets for Phoenix yet? :laugh:

stroker

06-05-12, 12:05 PM

The word "futility" just doesn't seem, enough, does it?

Indy

06-05-12, 12:07 PM

Oh bOy, just wait until we get the new aerokits...it'll be the breakout year! IRL Spec chassis are us....:laugh:

No Aero-kits 2013 (http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/article/indycar-owners-reject-aero-kits-again/)

I think it is time to admit something. Upon reunifornication I was hopeful that things might get better and that I could be a fan again. As it turns out, I AM a fan again. Just not for the reasons I thought.

Yes, it is time to declare my loyalty to my favorite reality TV show, Real Dip****s of Speedway, Indiana. I have looked and looked for comedy like this, but for this level of funny you just have to go to the source at 16th and Georgetown. And the amazing thing is that this one is not scripted. These people are actually this dumb.

Brilliant! :gomer::thumbup::gomer::thumbup::gomer::thumbup:

Ziggy

06-05-12, 12:36 PM

we need "Racing Dufus" to put some sort of postitive spin on this

I know he can do it! :gomer:

Racing Truth

06-05-12, 12:41 PM

we need "Racing Dufus" to put some sort of postitive spin on this

I know he can do it! :gomer:

I, for one, love the foresight, forward-thinking attitudes of our BRILLIANT owners.:shakehead

I get the Dallara $$$-gouging, and RB does need to answer for that, but no kits again? Sheesh, boys.

datachicane

06-05-12, 12:50 PM

I, for one, love the foresight, forward-thinking attitudes of our BRILLIANT owners.:shakehead

I get the Dallara $$$-gouging, and RB does need to answer for that, but no kits again? Sheesh, boys.

But, but, but- you said the owners were the problem, and that Leeg2 was the cure. Looks to me like it combines the worst properties of both.

They may be incompetent, but at least the racing sucks and the stands are empty!

Chief

06-05-12, 12:50 PM

AutoRacing1 shows 0.7

Let's look inside the numbers:

Boston Celtics win on ESPN - 7.9
Tiger Woods wins on CBS - 3.9
NASCAR Dover race on FOX - 3.6
IRL Detroit Rock S****ty on ABC - 0.7

THAT is serious momentum AOW race fans, one week after the gratest race in the universe since last year. And, it was a rainy east coast weekend too. How much longer before this farce disappears...and would anyone even care if it did?

stroker

06-05-12, 12:52 PM

I, for one, love the foresight, forward-thinking attitudes of our BRILLIANT owners.:shakehead

I get the Dallara $$$-gouging, and RB does need to answer for that, but no kits again? Sheesh, boys.

It's their money, what did you expect them to do? It's not THEIR job to get people to watch the friggin' races, that's RB's job!

extramundane

06-05-12, 01:10 PM

I, for one, love the foresight, forward-thinking attitudes of our BRILLIANT owners.:shakehead

I get the Dallara $$$-gouging, and RB does need to answer for that, but no kits again? Sheesh, boys.

According to the folks @ TF, this has been the best season in memory. Heck, one guy even believes that Long Beach 2012 was the best LBGP in history! If all that's true, why do you need these aero kits anyway?

Chief

06-08-12, 02:43 PM

Indycar Searching for New Title Sponsor

Pep Boys, Northern Lights, and now IZOD...PFFFFT! (https://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Daily/Issues/2012/06/08/Marketing-and-Sponsorship/IndyCar.aspx)

IZOD wants out of 6 year contract...why? Who knows...300% ROI isn't there in reality, is it? :p:D:laugh:

chop456

06-08-12, 03:09 PM

It'll be telling finding out how much they're willing to pay to get out from under that steaming pile.

Who wants to bet that they stick around after renegotiating for pennies on the dollar? :laugh:

Anyone stupid enough to associate themselves with the leeg deserves the embarrassment they eventually reap.

SteveH

06-08-12, 03:09 PM

Pep Boys, Northern Lights, and now IZOD...PFFFFT! (https://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Daily/Issues/2012/06/08/Marketing-and-Sponsorship/IndyCar.aspx)

IZOD wants out of 6 year contract...why? Who knows...300% ROI isn't there in reality, is it? :p:D:laugh:

what happened? :tony:

Napoleon

06-08-12, 03:20 PM

It'll be telling finding out how much they're willing to pay to get out from under that steaming pile.

Maybe nothing.

I know nothing about how a contract for something like this is structured but I do know how retail leases are done and often (at least in big centers with sophisticated tenants) they will have some kind of co-tenancy clause that if occupancy goes below a certain level (say, less the 4 big boxes and less than 70% of the remaining floor space) the tenant has certain options like, say, paying a reduced rent for a period and then at the end of that period have a window where they go back to full rent or could terminate, the theory being that they entered into the deal on the basis that everyone thought there would be some kind of a floor to the activity at the retail center and they should not have to live with the deal if that floor has not been maintained. I have to imagine that a 6 year sponsorship deal has some kind of an out on a similar basis.

Edit - PS, and the opt out could involve a prenegotiated buy out, say, $600,000 prorated for the number of years that have passed in the deal only exercisable at the end of a season with 120 days prior written notice, or something like that. I say the fact this comes out right after Indy and well before the end of the season is no accident.

Don Quixote

06-08-12, 03:29 PM

If IZOD signed a contract with this leeeg that has an expensive opt out, they deserve everything they get.

Napoleon

06-08-12, 04:55 PM

If IZOD signed a contract with this leeeg that has an expensive opt out, they deserve everything they get.

I truly cannot imagine that they do. There is no way anyone with half of brain, business person or their attorney, didn’t insist on some kind of bench mark that if not hit gives them an opt out. The league simply does not have the leverage to give someone a take it or leave it deal unless that deal basically was for free. IZOD is part of a NYSE listed company (up by the way 1.49% on the day) located on Madison Avenue who per wiki owns Tommy Hilfiger, Calvin Klein, Van Heusen, Arrow, G. H. Bass, etc. so I imagine they have some zillion dollar an hour law firm and not exactly their Uncle Hank representing them (they appear to have an in-house law department as well).

By the way, as an aside, at a bunch of junctures in the league history they have come up with sponsors or someone else’s involvement that I suspected could easily be structured where it really was something that if you knew the details of the deal was anything but the league was making it out to be. Sorry but off the top of my head I cannot recall the details of why, but I want to say Pep Boys, Northern Lights and Gene Simmons were all in those categories. My recollection is they have also had suspect celebrity “car owners” who I would bet a million dollars that if you knew the details it would be they owned one share which was subject to some set buy back option, so they could call them an owner (I seem to recall speculating as much on 7th G).

This smells the same way. They get Izod to sign a “six” year deal with aggressive benchmarks and they cross their fingers and hope they hit them.

06-08-12, 06:54 PM

Let's look inside the numbers:

Boston Celtics win on ESPN - 7.9
Tiger Woods wins on CBS - 3.9
NASCAR Dover race on FOX - 3.6
IRL Detroit Rock S****ty on ABC - 0.7

Rex Karz posted this somewhere else:

Spelling Bee Sets Record: Coverage of the 2012 National Spelling Bee Final drew a 0.7 U.S. rating and 1.061 million viewers on ESPN Thursday night, up a tick in ratings and 11% in viewership from last year (0.6, 952K), but down 73% and 74%, respectively, from coverage on ABC in 2010 (2.6, 4.0M).
source over here (http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2012/06/tv-ratings-spelling-bee-sets-cable-record-also-nba-draft-lottery-texas-rangers/)

chop456

06-08-12, 07:12 PM

I read elsewhere that last green flag laps at Detroit drew a 0.2 :laugh:

http://www.mediacollege.com/video/test-patterns/television/indianhead640x480.gif

Chief

06-08-12, 11:44 PM

I read elsewhere that last green flag laps at Detroit drew a 0.2 :laugh:

I don't know who won...and I kinda like it that way! :thumbup: :rofl:

SurfaceUnits

06-09-12, 12:53 PM

I truly cannot imagine that they do. There is no way anyone with half of brain, business person or their attorney, didn’t insist on some kind of bench mark that if not hit gives them an opt out.

That's where them keys kick in - metrics and Liquidators

Panther Racing Collectibles
Key Liquidators
Indianapolis IN USA

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y100/hameroids/key-200v.jpg

JoeBob

06-11-12, 11:28 AM

Remember for a while, Joe Montana was an "owner" of Target Chip Ganassi Racing. From what I understand his ownership went something like this: They pay Montana to sit on the pit stand, and because he's Joe Montana, they can count on a couple of extra shots of the TCGR pit during every race.

Napoleon

06-11-12, 01:23 PM

SurfaceUnits

06-11-12, 01:49 PM

Insider: I don't think anyone besides the series (RB) wants to go to China.

Chief

06-30-12, 09:16 AM

40% cost reductions or else... (http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/article/indycar-owners-series-continue-to-work-on-cost-reduction-strategy/)

Or else what? :laugh:

“Some things we can buy off-the-shelf for one-fifth the price,” another owner added. “Other things can be bought for as much as 80 percent less than what Dallara’s charging. Also keep in mind the exchange rate has changed considerably in their favor. The Euro is stronger than the dollar, and we’re buying parts at the Euro exchange rate. That's like a markup on a markup.”

I thought they built that new Dallara plant in Indy so this could give the facade this is American built with American money? Creative speedway bookkeeping...

nissan gtp

06-30-12, 09:54 AM

Insider: I don't think anyone besides the series (RB) wants to go to China.

Just Nixon ;)

chop456

06-30-12, 11:33 AM

The Euro is stronger than the dollar, and we’re buying parts at the Euro exchange rate. That's like a markup on a markup.”

I need to know who said this. :laugh:

SurfaceUnits

06-30-12, 11:37 AM

for one-fifth the price,” another owner added. “Other things can be bought for as much as 80 percent less

6 of one half dozen of the other

Methanolandbrats

06-30-12, 02:25 PM

I feel caught in a time wrap :gomer: Is next year 1979? :saywhat:

NismoZ

06-30-12, 02:28 PM

Methanolandbrats

06-30-12, 03:10 PM

http://f-nippon.co.jp/fn/race/gallery/2012gallery/1201_galleryimg/12r1_001.jpg

Andrew Longman

06-30-12, 03:59 PM

WAAAY back, it seemed a no brainer to pick Swift as the new chassis builder. Also seemed sticking with Dallara was kinda dumb. Guess most of us knew what they'd do.:shakehead Nothing if not predictable!Or Panoz. A BIG consideration in picking them for the DP01 was cars and parts would be bought in dollars and not Pounds or Euros, giving much greater cost certainty... which is a HUGE consideration when trying to get and keep teams in the series.

Easy

06-30-12, 09:19 PM

Neither Swift or Panoz were willing to supply the entire field which became a caveat.

Once they insisted on the spec chassis spine concept they should have just mandated a design template for that a la Nascar's COT then give the chassis mfrs some freedom on aero and suspension. Would save a ton of money by not having Dallara (or Swift or Elan) charge 200% of market price for parts, tubs, etc.

I do not understand how the team owners didn't throw a shoe when it was clear that they wouldn't even be able to fab their own damn pedals. That is beyond spec racing. In SCCA spec classes you can at least tailor the cockpit without having to buy EVERYTHING from the chassis mfr. Idiocy of racing series management has rarely surprised me for some time but Franchitti's desire to stick with a right foot braking set up and having to wait until race 3 or 4 for Dallara to make a kit was mind blowing in its stupidity. Even by AOWR standards.

Chief

07-01-12, 01:14 AM

http://f-nippon.co.jp/fn/race/gallery/2012gallery/1201_galleryimg/12r1_001.jpg

Good lord! Why is Indy such a stupid F'n mess? a BLOoDY f'n mess?

http://www.cheryljonesphoto.com/kotexirl.jpg

:laugh::rofl::thumdown:

SurfaceUnits

07-11-12, 01:24 PM

More Leeg funtimes:

the teams are being fined and losing points because when they do the post race tech inspections they are finding that some cars fuel bladders are holding up to or a little more then .5 of a gal more then the spec's that the rules state. But get this; Spindy KNOWS the defects are with the tanks and NOT the teams cheating. They admitted that the manufacturer has told them that the bladders are 'stretching' due to over pressure upon multi re-fueling's. There is no warranty being offered for this defect and in fact the series will not be replacing them until 2013 at best. So here we have a situation where even if the teams under fill a tank during race events and even as in Toronto the teams fined never ran more laps then a normal tank could hold in fuel - Spindy STILL fined them! Do these tards need the money that badly?

There is nothing the teams can do about this situation as there is NO replacement bladder available to a different spec then the one that came with the car. All they can do is order the same spec and replace it more often then normal and 'hope' they are within the spec's when tested.

What a bunch of winners.

Gnam

07-11-12, 01:46 PM

I love the way Randy & Dallara are sticking it to the team owners and cutting their own throats at the same time. :thumbup:

I can't think of a more fitting end to Indycar than a murder-suicide pact.

SurfaceUnits

07-11-12, 02:35 PM

The teams are now being required to put displacement balls in the tank and verify capacity themselves, because there is a disparity between all of the bladders.

SurfaceUnits

07-11-12, 02:38 PM

I can't think of a more fitting end to Indycar than a murder-suicide pact.

I knew CART and strret racing would be the end of OPened Wheeled Racin

:tony:

DagoFast

07-11-12, 02:47 PM

The teams are now being required to put displacement balls in the tank and verify capacity themselves, because there is a disparity between all of the bladders.

That's been the case since the deathwaggin12 debut. Earl qwality is more than skin deep!

chop456

07-11-12, 10:59 PM

The teams are now being required to put displacement balls in the tank and verify capacity themselves, because there is a disparity between all of the bladders.

Anyone stupid enough to participate in that fraud deserves balls in their tank.

SurfaceUnits

07-12-12, 11:32 PM

IndyCar Chief Operating Officer Marc Koretzky resigns

In a development that caught IndyCar by surprise Thursday, new chief operating officer Marc Koretzky resigned, effectively immediately.

The news came from an IndyCar release, and no reason was given for the sudden departure. Staff members were not briefed on the matter, and no one is lined up to take his duties.

IndyCar CEO Randy Bernard could not be reached for comment.

Koretzky joined IndyCar in May 2011 as director of business development and led management of commercial activities and non-racing events around last year’s season-ending race at Las Vegas Motor Speedway.

In December, Koretzky was promoted to COO, essentially replacing Terry Angstadt, overseeing the day-to-day organizational operations of IndyCar as well was communicating with the company’s operating and commercial units. The duties left by Koretzky will be split among current IndyCar staff members in the interim, the sanctioning body’s release said.