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Seven-time world champion Michael Schumacher has been injured in a skiing accident in Meribel, France. (http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/formula1/25542340)
Other reports saying serious head injury. Initial reports are all over the place.
TrueBrit
12-29-13, 02:12 PM
Reports are all over the place varying from "serious" to "not life-threatening". I hope the pointy-chinned, dirty, cheating, chopping bastard is okay...
I just read he was conscious but has a "cranial trauma" whatever that means. I just hope he isn't permanently injured.
http://www.planetf1.com/driver/3213/9092712/Schumacher-hurt-in-skiing-accident
http://www.planetf1.com/driver/3213/9093452/Leading-neurologist-rushes-to-Schumi-s-aid
Chitowncartfreak
12-29-13, 06:02 PM
CNN now reporting he is in critical condition and was in a coma when he arrived at the hospital.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/29/sport/motorsport/michael-schumacher-skiing-f1-motorsport/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
CNN now reporting he is in critical condition and was in a coma when he arrived at the hospital.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/29/sport/motorsport/michael-schumacher-skiing-f1-motorsport/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
When he arrived at the 2nd hospital, I think. I'm confused as to why they didn't take him there to begin with, knowing the 1st wasn't equipped to treat a head trauma.
Chitowncartfreak
12-29-13, 06:10 PM
When he arrived at the 2nd hospital, I think. I'm confused as to why they didn't take him there to begin with, knowing the 1st wasn't equipped to treat a head trauma.
Sounds like this whole thing has been a bit of a cluster-you-know-what...
Sounds like this whole thing has been a bit of a cluster-you-know-what...
I was nervous as soon as I saw it happened in France. And that was before the details about the two different hospitals. It brings back memories of Lady Diana and the lengthy triage she received before being taken to the hospital to die.
Each report seems more dire. Hoping for a positive outcome.
NSSN is reporting that Schumacher is in a medically induced coma after surgery.
Also, Andy Granatelli has died at 90 years of age.
When I heard this earlier, it didn't sound life-threatening, but the BBC & CNN reports are that he is critical and in a coma. IIRC, his mother died after a head injury received in a fall (not skiing, in her home I think). I have a bad feeling about this; I hope I'm wrong.
Also, RIP Andy Granatelli.
Mary
pfc_m_drake
12-29-13, 11:05 PM
To be honest, when I heard about this, my first thought was that it sounded almost exactly like what happened to Natasha Richardson (Liam Neeson's wife). Hopefully the outcome will be better in this case.
Also, RIP Andy Granatelli.
Someone on twitter compared it to Mark Donahue.....seemed fine initially....
And yes, comparing racing accident to skiing accident.......
Napoleon
12-30-13, 06:20 AM
Per the BBC World feed just now (that had Jackie Stewart on) it sounds very very serious.
The BBC was the first thing I turned to; I was hoping for better news.
Mary
Tifosi24
12-30-13, 07:54 AM
I'm on my phone, so I won't post the link, but the latest news from the BBC is not encouraging. The French docs say it is a waiting game and that he is being kept in a cooled environment. It also sounds much worse than Massa's injury, which was also critical after it just happened.
Doctors Unsure Whether Michael Schumacher Will Survive (http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/12/30/258298153/doctors-unsure-whether-michael-schumacher-will-survive?utm_content=socialflow&utm_campaign=nprfacebook&utm_source=npr&utm_medium=facebook)
The reports have an ominous tone and lack any sort of positive tone. :(
TrueBrit
12-30-13, 11:37 AM
Come on you pointy-chinned bastard.....imagine it's Damon Hill or Jacques Villeneuve in front of you and you need to run into them one more time...fight harder you stubborn German bastard!!
Come on you pointy-chinned bastard.....imagine it's Damon Hill or Jacques Villeneuve in front of you and you need to run into them one more time...fight harder you stubborn German bastard!!
:thumbup:
I have an image of Ross Brawn telling MS to "push" while taking another bite of a banana.
Napoleon
12-30-13, 01:00 PM
:thumbup:
I have an image of Ross Brawn telling MS to "push" while taking another bite of a banana.
Per John Burns at the NY Times Brawn is at the hospital, so maybe you are on to something.
Almost surreal what is transpiring. To survive a racing career and have this happen :(
Small improvement and a second surgery, but Schumacher is still in an induced coma.
Mary
Sad circumstances, but a great read:
Coulthard on Schumacher (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsport/formulaone/michael-schumacher/10543292/I-only-hope-Michael-Schumacher-pulls-through-so-that-he-can-see-all-the-nice-things-people-are-saying-about-him.html)
The truth is I do not believe that Michael has ever truly received the praise or recognition that his stunning achievements merited. And I say that now with the benefit of hindsight.
At the end of the day he had the same rules and the same race marshals as the rest of us. And he destroyed us.
He could be infuriating. I had numerous run-ins with Michael, most famously at Spa in 1998 after we collided on a wet track and he stormed over to the McLaren garage and accused me of trying to kill him. I asked him later, in exasperation, whether he had ever been wrong about anything at any point in his life. “Not that I can remember,” he replied. To me that summed him up.
Napoleon
12-31-13, 11:48 AM
^^^
That's a great read, alright.
Update.
GRENOBLE, France -- Michael Schumacher underwent a second surgery after a brain scan showed small, "surprising'' signs of improvement, but grim doctors said Tuesday they could offer no insight into the prognosis for the Formula 1 champion.
http://espn.go.com/racing/f1/story/_/id/10220179/michael-schumacher-shows-slight-improvement-2nd-surgery
Anteater
12-31-13, 01:58 PM
:( Hoping and praying that Schumi will come out of this OK (like da Matta did). Great tribute from Coulthard!
Caught this on Twitter.
Steve Elling @EllingYelling 1h
Report says a journo dressed as priest tried to sneak into comatose Michael Schumacher's room. Unbelievable. God will get him for that one.
Retweeted by Rob Oller
:saywhat:
That's pretty low, even for a reporter.
I hope Schumacher pulls through like Da Matta did.
TravelGal
12-31-13, 03:25 PM
Caught this on Twitter.
God will get him for that one.
:saywhat:
One can only hope. :irked: I'm checking here more than anywhere because I know you newshounds are on top of the situation. Went to sleep last night praying for the pointy chinned, chopping, whatever, whatever.
chop456
12-31-13, 04:45 PM
Caught this on Twitter.
:saywhat:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1906714-report-journalist-dressed-up-as-priest-to-access-michael-schumachers-hospital
I'd say unbelievable, but it's completely believable.
Outright scum.
http://i.imgur.com/0GYVvFn.jpg
Latest update.
http://espn.go.com/racing/f1/story/_/id/10225623/michael-schumacher-stable-wednesday-remains-critical-condition-following-brain-surgery-skiing-accident
TravelGal
01-01-14, 02:52 PM
Thanks, dando. No news is good news for a change. I keep them all in my prayers.
Thanks, dando. No news is good news for a change. I keep them all in my prayers.
I'm thinking every day that passes his chance of survival is better, but I wonder about Michael's chances of recovery. One minuet he's on top of the world, the next . . . . . .
Anteater
01-03-14, 03:58 PM
45 years old today...let's hope Schumi's 46th birthday finds him a lot better!
No news is, I guess, better than bad news:
Schumacher remains critical but stable (http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2014/1/15364.html)
I keep reading all these articles on his speed at the time of the injury. What is the point? I've seen fatalities from people slipping on the ice and hitting their heads. Unless someone intentionally hit him in the head with a rock, then who cares. :saywhat:
WickerBill
01-06-14, 01:12 PM
No news is, I guess, better than bad news:
Schumacher remains critical but stable (http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2014/1/15364.html)
I keep reading all these articles on his speed at the time of the injury. What is the point?
You know the answer to this. They have to talk about *something*, and four days in a row of no developments means they are gonna talk about speed / rocks / helmet-cams / children / brand of ski boot / David Coulthard conspiracies / etc.
You know the answer to this. They have to talk about *something*, and four days in a row of no developments means they are gonna talk about speed / rocks / helmet-cams / children / brand of ski boot / David Coulthard conspiracies / etc.
Can't wait for the NBC Olympic commentators to beat this story into the ground.
In other news, Germany's Chancellor Angela Merkel took a tumble while cross country skiing and broke her hip.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/06/world/europe/germany-angela-merkel-ski-accident/
This may or may not be true. Speculation from German paper being picked up on the wire reports - I first saw it last night and some other papers carrying it now.
Michael Schumacher may never wake up from coma following horrific skiing accident (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/update-michael-schumacher-condition-article-1.1580849)
:(
Former Israeli PM Ariel Sharon recently passed away after 8 years in a coma.
Hope it's just speculation.
:(
Former Israeli PM Ariel Sharon recently passed away after 8 years in a coma.
Hope it's just speculation.
I was thinking about that. However, Sharon's coma was brought on by a stroke.
I think the likelihood of a good outcome for Michael fades by the day.
More "not news but speculation" out today:
Brain specialist warns seven-time world champion 'will not be Michael Schumacher' if he survives head injury (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/news/michael-schumacher-brain-specialist-warns-seventime-world-champion-will-not-be-michael-schumacher-if-he-survives-head-injury-9066613.html)
Insomniac
01-19-14, 07:19 PM
I was thinking about da Matta this week. Wearing a helmet but sustaining a significant head injury. I fear in this situation, "no news is good news" does not apply. I believe it was about this point when we were hearing very positive things about him talking, doing some physical therapy.
Doesn't sound promising ....
Hopes are dwindling that Michael Schumacher will make a full recovery, with fears growing that the seven-time Formula One champion will remain in a persistent vegetative state.
Doctors have performed two emergency operations and say his condition is stable, but Austrian news reports on Wednesday say Schumacher’s family and friends are increasingly worried that he will remain in a persistent vegetative state, unable able to speak, move or feed himself, even if medics were to bring him out of the coma.
Link (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/more-sports/report-schumacher-likely-to-remain-in-persistent-vegetative-state/article16444452/)
Ted
Same info being rehashed by the press at this point.
What I don't know - what tests for brain activity can they do while patient is in induced coma?
Checking around finds all sorts of medical terminology heavy articles, but this did seem to provide some insight into timelines:
Coma: Detecting signs of consciousness in severely brain injured patients recovering from coma (http://cirrie.buffalo.edu/encyclopedia/en/article/133/)
Establishing a definitive prognosis is difficult, however, when this state lasts one month or more, the patient is considered in "persistent" VS. When VS lasts more than 3 months (for non-traumatic etiologies) or one year (for traumatic etiology), the patient can be considered in "permanent" VS (The Multi-Society Task Force on PVS, 1994).
One year before "permanent". :eek::(
cameraman
01-23-14, 03:36 PM
What they do is reduce the drugs after swelling issues have subsided. As long as nothing bad happens they keep reducing the drugs until the patient either responds or doesn't. They won't keep someone sedated unless bringing them out will cause some kind of damage. By now swelling should not be an issue, if it still is....
http://formerf1doc.wordpress.com/
Informative speculation, not encouraging.
TravelGal
01-23-14, 03:44 PM
Sadly, I've been thinking the same things. As Insomniac said a few posts back, at this point in the timeline DaMatta was being brought back and responding. I know all injuries are unique and that we don't even know the exact nature of this one, but still, it's been a very long time for a medically induced coma, it seems to this non-scientist. :(
:(
Hoping for better news.
French sports daily L'Equipe said Schumacher, 45, has entered a recovery phase in which the medical team at Grenoble hospital would begin to ease the anaesthesia.
L'Equipe said the awakening process, which could take several days and even weeks, actually began on Tuesday, led by the Grenoble doctor Emmanuel Gay.
The report said Schumacher had initially "responded positively" to the process.
Link (http://www.motorsport.com/#!/f1/news/grenoble-doctor-confirms-schumacher-awakening-reports/)
Ted
Napoleon
01-30-14, 08:21 AM
^^^
A link for the same story from Reuters/NY Times (http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2014/01/30/sports/autoracing/30reuters-motorracing-schumacher.html?hp)
Comatose Michael Schumacher has developed pneumonia, German newspaper Bild reports
http://www.news.com.au/sport/motor-sport/comatose-michael-schumacher-has-developed-pneumonia-bild-reports/story-fnec578q-1226825253146
Neither his family nor the hospital will confirm. So for now, it's a rumor.
TrueBrit
02-13-14, 05:48 PM
This continues to be bad news....One would assume he's got the very best medical help but I can't help but wonder if the French docs aren't fouling up a la Princess Diana... :\
cameraman
02-13-14, 06:04 PM
The family is making a rather classic pr mistake. We someone is as famous as Schumi a total news blackout does nothing but build interest & rumors. Ultimately it isn't anyone's business but unfortunately that isn't realistic in the modern world. Simple press releases with accurate data would silence the rumor mill and in this case engender substantial public sympathy and most likely more privacy.
His condition is {a detailed X} and we don't expect any obvious changes for a month or two. Things would quiet down a lot.
When he injured his neck in a motorcycle accident 5 or 6 years ago I don't recall much information being released about his condition then, either. Leading to a lot of speculation as to the extent of his injury.
Insomniac
02-14-14, 10:31 PM
The family is making a rather classic pr mistake. We someone is as famous as Schumi a total news blackout does nothing but build interest & rumors. Ultimately it isn't anyone's business but unfortunately that isn't realistic in the modern world. Simple press releases with accurate data would silence the rumor mill and in this case engender substantial public sympathy and most likely more privacy.
His condition is {a detailed X} and we don't expect any obvious changes for a month or two. Things would quiet down a lot.
I doubt the family cares what the rumormill says.
WickerBill
02-14-14, 10:45 PM
Reported today that he has "fought through" the pneumonia. http://www.autoblog.com/2014/02/14/michael-schumacher-beats-pneumonia-still-comatose/
After he wakes up, I look forward to his first press conference, where he'll offer terse, unhelpful answers to all questions. ;)
"How do you feel?"
"Better."
"What do you remember?"
"Not much."
"When you woke up what did you say to your wife?"
"Hello."
Napoleon
02-27-14, 02:40 PM
Update and a bit of background on the fall I had not heard before (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/28/sports/autoracing/two-months-after-michael-schumachers-ski-accident-hopes-for-his-recovery-dim.html?hp)
"split his helmet"
"deep clots not accessible to surgery"
"After eight weeks, if there’s no sign of waking, what most people would do is unplug"
:(
TravelGal
02-27-14, 07:58 PM
He launched himself 34 feet further on? Good heavens. :(
Update and a bit of background on the fall I had not heard before (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/28/sports/autoracing/two-months-after-michael-schumachers-ski-accident-hopes-for-his-recovery-dim.html?hp)
Scary read.
Mary
Yikes!
An expert has admitted he is alarmed by reports Michael Schumacher has lost a quarter of his bodyweight whilst laying comatose in France.
We reported early last week that the 45-year-old, who weighed about 75kg when he crashed on the Meribel slopes, has apparently lost twenty kilograms in hospital.
Source (http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns27582.html)
Ted
TravelGal
04-03-14, 07:30 PM
One of the rags reported that his wife is spending $12 million to set up a medical facility at home where he can stay.....indefinitely. I read this a few days ago in either Racer or Autoweek. Sorry no linky.
cameraman
04-03-14, 07:54 PM
One of the rags reported that his wife is spending $12 million to set up a medical facility at home where he can stay.....indefinitely. I read this a few days ago in either Racer or Autoweek. Sorry no linky.
That dollar figure sound rather high. It isn't inexpensive to put in that type of equipment but you could build an entire clinic for $12 million.
I read recently where they denied this
Edited to include article below
http://www.independent.ie/sport/michael-schumacher-shows-signs-that-give-us-encouragement-says-his-manager-30153461.html
TravelGal
04-04-14, 11:54 AM
Thanks Steve. The BBC picked up that story today but your link is to a more comprehensive article. What I had read had indicated the renovation was just a long term solution for what they thought would be a long term problem, not just to "watch his health dwindle." I personally think that if they expect him to improve as months and years go by, they would be foolish NOT to make those sorts of accommodations to their home but maybe I'm thinking too far ahead.
http://formerf1doc.wordpress.com/2014/04/04/moments-of-conscious-and-awakening/
Italy's La Gazzetta dello Sport reports that Schumacher is making encouraging eye movements, while Germany's Bild am Sonntag newspaper claims the great 45-year-old German is even responding to voices.
Source (http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns27726.html)
Ted
Some good news!
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/114478
Mary
The term I heard was "clinically awake". Not sure what that is, but better than "clinically dead".
Andrew Longman
06-16-14, 10:23 AM
Another link my daughter sent me.http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/555743/20140615/michael-schumacher-update-coma.org#.U55Sydq9KSM
About the same but different take.
http://formerf1doc.wordpress.com/2014/06/16/good-news/
After reading the previous two posts, this really isn't good news; it's horrible. Decades ago, my father had a massive stroke after a coronary bypass operation. I well remember that 'awake but not conscious' look. Fortunately for him and us, it only lasted a few days before he died.
Truly tragic situation.
Mary
JohnHKart
06-19-14, 01:18 AM
I saw this earlier today.
http://news.yahoo.com/schumacher-awake-hospital-transfer-095912360.html
John
TravelGal
06-19-14, 01:30 AM
Seems to contradict quite a bit of the former fluff and stuff but is it truly good news (cf, Mary, above). Who knows what to believe. I'm beginning to understand and appreciate why they don't want to let out even a hint of a fact. Everything is seized and analyzed ad infinitum.
chop456
06-19-14, 01:56 AM
Seems to contradict quite a bit of the former fluff and stuff but is it truly good news (cf, Mary, above). Who knows what to believe. I'm beginning to understand and appreciate why they don't want to let out even a hint of a fact. Everything is seized and analyzed ad infinitum.
If I was the family and he was doing backflips on his unicycle, I wouldn't release it. Let the media stew. Some of them have proven themselves even more despicable than usual covering this and they're owed nothing. The family will never be left alone.
cameraman
06-19-14, 02:05 AM
I disagree with that. If he is in a semi-conscious state on the best of days and his long term prospects for independent life are extremely dim then simply put the information out there. Here's the damage, here's his current state and this is the rehab plan for the next year or two. Lay out the facts and all the guesswork & drama go away.
chop456
06-19-14, 02:14 AM
That hasn't been the pattern, unfortunately. No matter the announcement, there's been irresponsible prognostication, both positive and negative.
That being the case, I'd tell the media to stuff it.
Insomniac
06-19-14, 07:58 AM
I don't think they'd make the media stew or they have any responsibility to report his condition to the media. I think if the news was good, it would be released. Right now, there's not much to report and it's all medical speak. I can understand them wanting privacy in this situation. It's the brain, so who knows in the future. I think the odds go down over time, but there are the occasional cases.
Michael Schumacher's management fear medical records stolen (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/114615)
:shakehead:
Don Quixote
06-23-14, 06:07 PM
Michael Schumacher's management fear medical records stolen (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/114615)
:shakehead::shakehead:
Insomniac
06-24-14, 08:30 AM
Probably has prognosis notes they don't want out there.
chop456
06-24-14, 01:07 PM
Probably has prognosis notes they don't want out there.
Because what's in it matters? :shakehead:
Whoever stole it should be skinned alive.
Insomniac
06-24-14, 01:10 PM
Because what's in it matters? :shakehead:
Whoever stole it should be skinned alive.
No, just speculating what's in it that would make it of any value to sell. If people weren't willing to buy it, no one would steal it/reveal it.
cameraman
06-24-14, 01:46 PM
This is my whole point about the family's insistence on such strict privacy. They are creating the market by refusing to accurately state his condition and prognosis. The family is massively wealthy solely because of Michael's fan base. Without those million of fans there are no alpine chalets or anything else. There is a cost to being wildly rich and that cost is a portion of your privacy. Welcome to the real world. You want anonymity then live on my paycheck. The vast majority of the spies & paparazzi would vanish if they would simply put out a solid medical statement. Tell the fans that X, Y and Z happened in the fall, this is the damage, this is his current condition and this is his long term prognosis.
Instantly stolen records have zero value. Instantly the questions end. And oddly enough they get their privacy back because as his story will only change at a truly glacial pace there will be nothing to say for months on end.
The family's refusal to put forth any real information is chumming the waters for every tabloid reporter and paparazzo on the planet. They couldn't be handling this any worse.
chop456
06-24-14, 02:10 PM
No, just speculating what's in it that would make it of any value to sell. If people weren't willing to buy it, no one would steal it/reveal it.
There could be nothing in it and the value would be the same. If you've stolen this, you're a scumbag of the highest order. If you disclose or hint what's in it before you sell it, you're a moron in addition.
Andrew Longman
06-24-14, 02:30 PM
I remember a photographer snuck into Lauda's hospital room and took and sold a picture of Lauda's disfigured head that was published in some German magazine. ( or something like that - I was 16).
Little wonder the family is trying to keep things under wraps or that someone would think there is a market for Michael's records.
There could be nothing in it and the value would be the same.
Exactly. Tabloids will be willing to buy it in order to publish it in order to sell more papers. They won't care what's actually in it. It's as simple as that.
Michael Schumacher: Wife Corinna says former F1 champion is 'getting better'
(http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/michael-schumacher-wife-corinna-says-former-f1-champion-is-getting-better-9599810.html?dkdk)
Glad to hear Corinna is getting out and that she is hopeful for Michael. Very sad situation, though.
Mary
WickerBill
07-22-14, 11:23 AM
Schumacher is communicating (https://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/formula-1-schumacher-communicating-family-085255622--f1.html)
Insomniac
08-06-14, 07:57 PM
Michael Schumacher's management fear medical records stolen (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/114615)
:shakehead:
Follow-Up: Suspect in Schumacher medical record theft found dead in cell (http://www.autoblog.com/2014/08/06/suspect-in-schumacher-medical-record-theft-found-dead/)
cameraman's update on Jules Bianchi, made me wonder if there was any news on Michael Schumacher. Yup.
Formula One legend Michael Schumacher is paralyzed and in a wheelchair, according to former racing driver Philippe Streiff.
The 45-year-old seven-time champion cannot speak and has memory problems.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2841041/Michael-Schumacher-paralysed-wheelchair-bound-unable-speak-says-former-racing-driver-Philippe-Streiff-left-quadriplegic-crash.html
Not dead yet, mofo. :thumbup:
Still no update on Schumacher.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsport/formulaone/michael-schumacher/11677867/Michael-Schumacher-news-A-year-after-coming-out-of-coma-there-have-been-precious-signs-of-progress.html
Possibly relocating to Dallas for treatment?
Source (http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns37362.html)
Ted
I did a quick Google search for Mark Weeks, brain injury, Dallas, Texas, etc. and came up with nothing. The article doesn’t refer to him as Dr. Mark Weeks. It looks to me that they’re grasping for straws. I hope I’m wrong.
Insomniac
09-21-17, 09:05 AM
They have the resources and the central nervous system is amazingly complex. May as well pursue every avenue while they can. (I don't mean crackpots, but there is certainly cutting edge and new stuff going on all over the world.)
Corinna's ranch, north of Dallas, close to the TX OK state line
http://www.cs-ranch.com
A neurology specialist doubts Michael Schumacher will ever emerge from his current condition.
Link (https://www.grandprix.com/news/neurologist-doubts-schumacher-will-recover.html)
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