New cars 2014

[Pilgrims Drop]

Force India is first out with a side on pic that looks promising... and a great livery imo... still have fears about the nose tho...
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[Gnam]

black is the new black.

[WickerBill]

Oh, the nose looks so much better, at least at this angle. Love it. Livery is nice, too.

[SteveH]

Oh, the nose looks so much better, at least at this angle. Love it. Livery is nice, too.

The nose you see is not the nose that will race evidently

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2014/01/22/new-nose-stand-feature-force-india-vjm07/


“Our nose is a launch spec and later we will have an updated front end of the car, which potentially is quite different.

[Elmo T]

My first thought on the nose - which I do like:

http://i40.tinypic.com/1628wfq.jpg

[cameraman]

For what it is worth...

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bepx0qOCAAAckFU.jpg:large

[cameraman]

A bit of an angle

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bep0If7CUAAI5Cq.jpg:large

[cameraman]

Side

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bep2_IYCAAAdiRF.jpg:large

[WickerBill]

McLaren and Lotus:

http://f1.imgci.com/PICTURES/CMS/22500/22533.3.jpg


http://e1.365dm.com/14/01/660x350/lotus_3071796.jpg

[Mary]

Force India's paint job is beautiful.

McLaren doesn't have a sponsor?

What is up with the noses, especially the Williams? Looks like his cousin. http://tinyurl.com/kphyugv

Mary

[WickerBill]

McLaren are waiting to announce their title sponsor. Supposedly had companies beating down the door... supposedly.

[Insomniac]

Force India's paint job is beautiful.

McLaren doesn't have a sponsor?

What is up with the noses, especially the Williams? Looks like his cousin. http://tinyurl.com/kphyugv

Mary

The Lotus one looks split up the middle.

[cameraman]

Oh My:eek:

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BewfrEdCYAAYOBx.jpg:large

:rofl:

[Mary]

Oh My:eek:

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BewfrEdCYAAYOBx.jpg:large

:rofl:

I wish I could "favorite" this. :thumbup:

Mary

[Gnam]

The McLaren reminds me of the rehabilitation car from Idiocracy. :gomer:

http://s22.postimg.org/s5457fi7l/622.jpg

[Gopeddle]

Looks like Ferrari needs to get Pininfarina to design it's race cars.

[WickerBill]

It's an anteater!

[Gnam]

Broke Dick Racing.

[Mary]

I didn't think it was possible to out-ugly Indycar, but I'm beginning to wonder.

Mary

[cameraman]

The folks at Merc just tweeted a boast/challenge

Who is the fairest of them all?

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/Be5u7X7CMAE5vRx.jpg:large

[WickerBill]

The folks at Merc just tweeted a boast/challenge

Who is the fairest of them all?


Things didn't work out so hot for the last person asking that question.

[WickerBill]

Sauber. Nice.

http://i.imgur.com/DH9mHAv.jpg

[Pilgrims Drop]

Yeah the Sauber looks like a proper F1 car without a silly nose it seems... angles may still decieve tho...

[Gopeddle]

I guess the proof will be in the lap times, but the Sauber sure looks better than the F14T.

[WickerBill]

Figured Sauber would change the livery this year. While the color looks fantastic (and did last year) under professional lighting, it didn't look nearly as good on the track -- kind of dull and drab.

[cameraman]

The Sauber.

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BfAJYKnCUAAWnZ1.jpg:large

[opinionated ow]

The Sauber.

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BfAJYKnCUAAWnZ1.jpg:large

looks like 607

[WickerBill]

Toro Rosso, aka Squidward:

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/IMG_3538-886x590.jpg

[Anteater]

It's an anteater!

:D:thumbup:

[WickerBill]

Cropped image for some reason... but here is Mercedes.

http://images.planetf1.com/14/01/800x600/Mercedes-W05_3073631.jpg

[WickerBill]

Close-up of the new Toro Rosso "Frederick's of Hollywood" nose:

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[chop456]

Close-up of the new Toro Rosso "Frederick's of Hollywood" nose:

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http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/kreysing1HR-640x303.jpg

[WickerBill]

It is worse than I thought, anteater:

http://bbctopgear.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/1459994.jpg?w=458&h=258

[opinionated ow]

This year's F1 season will be turning up on porn sites and won't be able to be shown on tv for it's XXX rating I fear...

[Elmo T]

Close-up of the new Toro Rosso "Frederick's of Hollywood" nose:

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http://i43.tinypic.com/2mguydy.jpg

[cameraman]

Okay how is it that the Merc's wing extends out in front of the nose when every other car has the wing behind the nose extensions?

[cameraman]

Hamilton's front wing collapsed on his 18th lap and he put the Merc into the tire barrier. Hamilton's fine. Car not so much.

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BfEMOlNIQAALKyO.jpg:large

also

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BfE9HojCYAA7p2O.jpg:large

The question for Hamilton is Spare parts you say, what spare parts are you talking about?

[Pilgrims Drop]

The Caterham is the ugliest thing I've ever seen... Congrats to the FIA... they've beaten EARL with this latest batch of designrules :yuck:

RB10 looks decent tho...

[cameraman]

You would think that all that mass on the Caterham's front wing would cause some significant drag. It looks like a pair of box cheese graters bolted onto the wing.

[G.]

Force India is first out with a side on pic that looks promising... and a great livery imo... still have fears about the nose tho...
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They are apparently playing a bit of "hide the weenie".

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/IMG_3665.jpg

[G.]

The Caterham is the ugliest thing I've ever seen...

Did they lose a bet?

:yuck:

[cameraman]

It seems that the Red Bull doesn't work. The mister wizard electrics are not so wizardry. Vettel has done 11 laps in two days and until Renault redesigns things it is hopeless.

[WickerBill]

Cars are a good 7 seconds slower than last year at Jerez. And the only car that seems to consistently work is Nico Rosberg's.

[Elmo T]

7 seconds?

Where will that put them with a GP2 sled?

I won't be so lazy. I checked GP2 for 2013 and saw times at 1:25.059. I see Button for 2014 at 1:24.165.

[Gnam]

The pinochle of motorsports, ladies and gentlemen. :shakehead:

[cameraman]

They were not pushing for top speeds, they are just looking to see if the things actually function.

[NismoZ]

Well that's it, season's over! Day 1: Kimi fastest, Ferrari on top. The ugly Ferrari works. Only 8 secs. slower than last year! (Newey also worried about the low noses in rear ender wrecks.) And that F14T nose...we HAVE seen that before, right? Not the DROP snout, just the snout. Can't quite place it, was it F-1 or F-5000? Quite awhile ago. BRM? Shadow? An Aussie F-5000...a Matich maybe? Doesen't mean anything, just found it familiar.:)

[Easy]

Let's not be too hasty even if the cars aren't. They will be significantly different animals once they get to Oz and probably be within a second or two of last year's proven platforms.

[muskoka fan]

The pinochle of motorsports, ladies and gentlemen. :shakehead:

the Pinocchio of motorsports.



(8ish years of lurking and this is what I serve up for my first post. Hello all!)

[Gnam]

:laugh:

[Don Quixote]

the Pinocchio of motorsports.


(8ish years of lurking and this is what I serve up for my first post. Hello all!):laugh:
I thought he might be talking about the card game, and not the Disney character.

[WickerBill]

the Pinocchio of motorsports.



*eager golf clap*

[Mary]

Close-up of the new Toro Rosso "Frederick's of Hollywood" nose:

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Oh my!

Mary

[NismoZ]

Eeeeyeuuu...Excita may make a sponsorship comeback? (How many of you saw a pink Keke in formula Atlantic? Can't believe he's still alive! Talk about excita!) Still have that sideways poster, pretty shredded, any chance of finding one for sale somewhere?

[NismoZ]

At Jerez: Mercedes (power)- 1,2,3,4,6,8,10....Renault-12,16,17,18,19,20,21....Kimi & Alonso- 5,7. All that looks like a very interesting separation...to me. Kevin Magnussen!? :thumbup::thumbup:

[cameraman]

Considering that the Renaults all suffered from the same fault it is not a surprise.

[TrueBrit]

Bloody hell that Ferrari is awful!!! I think the winner of the 'least bad' award has to the Merc, no?

[Pilgrims Drop]

No... Red Bull has managed to make a car with a paint scheme that looks ok atleast... despite the necessity to have the pointed nose

The Torro Rosso and their Ann Summers designed front end takes the definition of horrendus to new levels...

[gerhard911]

^^^

You may need to define your reference to Ann Summers for us yanks :eek:

[cameraman]

Who knew?


Ann Summers is a British multinational retailer company specialising in sex toys and lingerie, with over 140 high street stores in the UK, Ireland, the Channel Islands and Spain

http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowldc/files/2013/12/TheMoreYouKnow.gif

[opinionated ow]

Who knew?



http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowldc/files/2013/12/TheMoreYouKnow.gif

Anne Summer is also a radical Australian feminist. I love the irony...

[NismoZ]

Speaking of radical things in Australia, OW...and sorry if this is the wrong place for this, but Ford and GM (and Toyota!) are pulling OUT!...of the whole COUNTRY!? How might that affect the V-8 Series, let alone the 50,000 (?) or so people working in the industry there? Have to say, I'm a little stunned by that news. Do Holden (GM) and Ford (Au) remain in production, or what? The result of a "strong currency" ? An interesting story to follow.

[Andrew Longman]

Why not put it here.

Major blow to the national psyche I imagine.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303650204579374010123960016

And perhaps a blow to the conservative free trade, low tax, low regulation party that somehow needs to explain how the loss of these jobs is the correct thing. Not getting political, but just referencing the article and the shift this may portend for Oz

[Pilgrims Drop]

^^^

You may need to define your reference to Ann Summers for us yanks :eek:

NSFW (http://www.annsummers.com/)

[opinionated ow]

Why not put it here.

Major blow to the national psyche I imagine.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303650204579374010123960016

And perhaps a blow to the conservative free trade, low tax, low regulation party that somehow needs to explain how the loss of these jobs is the correct thing. Not getting political, but just referencing the article and the shift this may portend for Oz

Given the current government aren't even 5 months old (and parliament has only just resumed after about a 10 week break) to blame them for anything is completely insane. Ford announced their withdrawal well before the election, Holden almost immediately afterward. Toyota was always about face saving. Toyota sought an injunction through the Fair Work Australia commission to force the unions to renegotiate wages and the unions basically blocked it with the direct result that the company pulled out (http://www.afr.com/p/national/union_conditions_behind_toyota_exit_ZEytth3H2gVKnE SNIooPWI). Aside from excessive wages (a bog standard car assembler was taking home 70k+ overtime, as a flight instructor I take home 45k with no overtime or entitlements), energy costs are exorbitant largely thanks to renewable energy targets and a monumentally useless carbon dioxide tax (which the current government can't repeal until the new senate comes in around July). Add to that the fact that they stopped making cars which Australians were actually interested in, next to no export market and competition from 57 other car manufacturers in a market of just over 1 million cars they were stuffed. When the previous government announced fringe benefits taxes on work car lease programmes (was never legislated) the demand for Australian made cars dropped around 33% over night. Australian car manufacturing is also the most heavily subsidised per vehicle anywhere in the world.
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The truth is that car manufacturing in this country started deteriorating in the 1980s when the Button plan was mandated.

[Andrew Longman]

Button plan? Please explain to the stupid. Wasn't there a time when import tariffs were so high that it almost mandated internal manufacturing? Canada production was/is driven by the same thing but my data is old

[cameraman]

Button plan? Please explain to the stupid. Wasn't there a time when import tariffs were so high that it almost mandated internal manufacturing? Canada production was/is driven by the same thing but my data is old

The internet is your friend

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Button_plan

[NismoZ]

OK, DON'T get political, then. Get "economical" maybe? Did the "high wage, over-regulation, high tariff" party have an answer here? Great informative reply OW, I had a list of the "usual suspects.":shakehead:

[cameraman]

The latest iteration of the Merc is looking a little Ferrari-ish

http://lewishamilton-assets.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/media/attachment/Bahrain_7.jpg

[cameraman]

Some cars getting faster. All will be tail happy with faster top speed in the straights but much less grip in the corners.

http://motorsportstalk.nbcsports.com/2014/02/23/bahrain-testing-recap-day-4-video/

NBCSN recap of the test session. Can't embed the video.

[Easy]

Nick Chester (Lotus Tech Director) has said that data is proving their twin tusk nose as the correct solution because while they do get less total air flow, channeling it directly down the middle is creating higher total downforce.

However, Gary Anderson wrote that this almost certainly comes at the expense of control over shifting airflows. That deficiency is what McLaren has determined caused their terrible 2013; a front wing with fewer elements can create more total downforce but when airflow starts shifting through the corners the wing loses efficiency.

This certainly doesn't condemn the Lotus but still an interesting vagary of F1 aero.

Chester also acknowledges that given Lotus' staff departures, most of the top teams had enough time to at least investigate the twin tusk. If Renault doesn't get their act together, it may not matter.

http://racer.com/index.php/f1/item/101397-lotus-twin-tusk-nose-advantage-clear

Can't remember where I read McLaren's assessment of their 2013 car.

[Pilgrims Drop]

I wonder if Ricciardo is regretting switching the Torro Rosso fpr Red Bull this season...