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You'd have to be out of your mind to get into one of these s^%tsleds.
Congrats Buddy Lazier... you made the field!
TKGAngel
05-18-15, 02:58 PM
Hinch: upper thigh injury, currently in surgery. :eek:
https://twitter.com/IMS/status/600374380099567619
Medical update: James Hinchcliffe has sustained an injury to his upper thigh and is currently in surgery. Further information to follow.
Full video, with replays (including in car)
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I'm hearing they impounded the car and took it out the back gate versus to the paddock. Prying eyes and nosy journalists I suspect...suspicion is mounting for the cause. Have the bodykits added too much downforce , thus placing too much force on older designed suspension parts (not upgraded in the aero kit fiasco)?
The plot thickens....:confused:
DagoFast
05-18-15, 03:57 PM
Fascinating, the car wanted to flip over AFTER scrubbing off hunedreds of miles an hour of speed. :shakehead:
Meh, hunedreds is just a number. :tony:
Glad they fixed the problem. crap + crap == crap Genius! :tony: :shakehead:
Honda had complained previously that stock Dallara parts could not handle the increased down force. (Front wing main plane was the cited example, I think.)
As for today... http://www.racer.com/indycar/item/116918-indy-500-hinchcliffe-takes-a-hard-hit-in-practice
RACER has confirmed the series brought pictures of Hinchcliffe's crash componentry to the teams, which showed a possible failure of the right-front suspension rocker arm. The photo showed the rocker split, but the cause of the rocker splitting is currently unknown. The rocker arm connects the suspension pushrod to the damper. The crashed front-left wishbone and pushrod are currently being sought by the series and team.
3:15 ET UPDATE: At the moment, it's believed Dallara is inspecting every IndyCar team's suspension and that's why practice is on hold.
indyfan31
05-18-15, 04:27 PM
It looks (and sounds) like something in the rear broke. any reports?
That was one hell of an impact. I hope Hinch's injuries are not life-threatening or career-ending.
It looks (and sounds) like something in the rear broke. any reports?
See JoeBob's Racer link.
F.E. damper link. You can see its effects in the on-board footage. The A arm just kinda pops up a bit, then wall happens.
Apparently Kat is on deck.
cameraman
05-18-15, 08:57 PM
The right rocker arm broke and was forced through the tub by the impact and speared his upper left thigh.
That is quite the evil chunk of debris to have spear your leg.:shakehead:
B3RACER1a
05-18-15, 09:34 PM
The right rocker arm broke and was forced through the tub by the impact and speared his upper left thigh.
That is quite the evil chunk of debris to have spear your leg.:shakehead:
The rocker is on the upper outside of the tub, and is in bolted in in single shear. I very much doubt this is what caused his injury, but I'm am certian in caused the wreck.
Right front goes into full bump, the pusbrod appears to move freely as normal with the suspension, so that points the finger at something under the shock cover which is where the rocker is.
I bet the actual injury to his thigh was from something coming through the tub with some force like a suspension arm, steering rod...something like that.
Legs move around a lot in a big hit like that so it doesn't surprise me it's his thigh. That was a nasty hit.
Glad he's mostly ok.
Latest is that Hinch is awake, but in Intensive Care.
This tweet from Marshall Pruett seems to imply that what we know about injury wise is just the tip of the iceberg. :-(
https://twitter.com/marshallpruett/status/600459980026818560
stroker
05-19-15, 12:32 AM
This tweet from Marshall Pruett seems to imply that what we know about injury wise is just the tip of the iceberg. :-(
I'm shocked! SHOCKED, I tell you!
Apparently Kat is on deck.
http://i.imgur.com/4a530.gif
Kat is too good for this crap. Call Danica instead.
TKGAngel
05-19-15, 11:08 AM
Racer Mag: Severity of Hinch's injuries revealed. (http://www.racer.com/indycar/item/116939-indy-500-hinchcliffe-saved-from-serious-injuries)
In the impact, which flattened the right side of the chassis, one of the suspension wishbones penetrated the Dallara safety cell, and subsequently caused the majority of the physical damage Hinchcliffe received. RACER has confirmed through multiple sources that Hinchcliffe had the steel wishbone enter and exit his right leg, then enter his upper left thigh, and continue into his pelvic region, where it came to a stop. The suspension component pinned the 28-year-old in the car, leading the safety team to cut the wishbone from the chassis to allow Hinchcliffe's extraction.
With the multiple intrusions, Hinchcliffe experienced massive blood loss at the crash site, and despite the gravity of the soft tissue injuries to his lower extremities, stopping the bleeding became an immediate priority for the medical staff to address once he was pulled from the chassis.
After being placed in the ambulance, the doctors and technicians inside evidently stabilized Hinchcliffe's injuries. It's not known how long he was in surgery but it was "touch and go" for a while, according to the source.
:eek:
cameraman
05-19-15, 11:18 AM
If it caught his femoral artery it is a miracle he is still alive.
If it caught his femoral artery it is a miracle he is still alive.
#Zanardi :(
B3RACER1a
05-19-15, 12:20 PM
Holy smokes. Great work by the safety team.
I actually did a project on this back in engineering school. I had read a few instances in the past where suspension parts made it into the driver cell.
I did some design where I had all wishbone curved in 2 axis (so they would look like a bow in 2 directions). Reasoning behind that would be, in a crash like that, the suspension pieces would be more likely to bend and fold before puncturing the survival cell.
Only being a young student at the time I couldn't do actual calculations to see if there was any merit, but I thought the concept was solid.
Maybe that could have helped here??
This has the be the first time someone got the safety team to go on the record (anonymously) to lift the shroud on the severity of injuries in the IRL. I knew this one was bad based on a few things - watch the longer video I posted.
You'll see the first guy on scene signal the driver code with his hand.
When the white medical vehicle arrives, watch the safety truck behind it. You'll see a doctor (Trammell?) leaping out of the still moving safety vehicle to get to the scene. At that point, whoever was directing the video realized something was up and cut to pit lane.
Then there's the stories from the track. They bypassed the infield medical center and went straight to Methodist. The only time we've heard of "Load and Go" situations were life threatening. The car was impounded and immediately moved to a secure location, and practice was cancelled. Standard procedure in life threatening situations.
What gets me are the folks who *STILL* don't see this. Go over to Trackforum, and you'll see actual :tony: claiming things like, "It's probably just a few stitches" and being SHOCKED at how grave the situation was now that the story is out. Last night's story that he was in ICU should have clued them in.
DagoFast
05-19-15, 12:31 PM
The only thing I'm shocked at is that there was actually anyone with a degree of competence working on the Holmatro Safety Team. And THAT is sad.
cameraman
05-19-15, 12:46 PM
The only thing I'm shocked at is that there was actually anyone with a degree of competence working on the Holmatro Safety Team. And THAT is sad.
The Trammell crew is still top line, not too sure about the on call bunch.
#Zanardi :(
My thought as well. I hope he has full recovery.
B3RACER1a
05-19-15, 01:59 PM
Holy smokes. Great work by the safety team.
I actually did a project on this back in engineering school. I had read a few instances in the past where suspension parts made it into the driver cell.
I did some design where I had all wishbone curved in 2 axis (so they would look like a bow in 2 directions). Reasoning behind that would be, in a crash like that, the suspension pieces would be more likely to bend and fold before puncturing the survival cell.
Only being a young student at the time I couldn't do actual calculations to see if there was any merit, but I thought the concept was solid.
Maybe that could have helped here??
To add to this, indystar is reporting these a-arms were strengthened earlier this year by order from Indycar. :yuck:
Is this the suspension piece that injured Hinch, or is just part of the wreck?
What happened to the survival cell approach, where nothing is allowed to penetrate the cockpit?
http://s18.postimg.org/cuk2tkcy1/Hinch.jpg
Hinch's team owner made a statement to the press:
James Hinchcliffe suffered damage to a leg artery in Monday's vicious crash at Indianapolis Motor Speedway, and stopping the loss of blood was key to surgery at Methodist Hospital, his IndyCar Series team owner told The Indianapolis Star today.
Schmidt said the wishbone went through Hinchcliffe "like a knife," drawing comparison to Eliseo Salazar's injuries in 2002. Schmidt said no bone was affected, but soft tissue was damaged.
Unfortunately, Schmidt said, the piece injuring Hinchcliffe was reinforced for this season.
"Previously, it would have folded," he said.
IndyCar has not identified that piece.
http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/motor/2015/05/19/exclusive-james-hinchcliffes-wound-a-big-one-to-plug/27581589/
Wonder why they strengthened the wishbone? Did they test it? I guess not....typical. :thumbdown:
cameraman
05-19-15, 04:39 PM
Wonder why they strengthened the wishbone? Did they test it? I guess not....typical. :thumbdown:
It was cracking during races so they stiffened it up.:saywhat:
:laugh: Oh my. Sam Schmidt sez the old one would have "folded right up". Ooops, sorry Hinch....stuff happens like this in the lEegue.
http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/sports/2015/05/20/hinchcliffe-indy-500.html
chop456
05-20-15, 02:44 AM
:laugh: Oh my. Sam Schmidt sez the old one would have "folded right up". Ooops, sorry Hinch....stuff happens like this in the lEegue.
Honestly. It's not like anyone's ever been injured by a piece of suspension. How are they supposed to know this stuff?
It was cracking during races so they stiffened it up.:saywhat:
The law of unintended consequence. Their fix didn't fix it and they made it a hazard to the tub.
Does anyone there think more than one step ahead OR be proactive? It like the design and management version of Whack-a-Mole.
Well said Elmo. Just another unintended consequence. It's always something else's fault.
These cars, these bodykits...this Indy sanctioning organization,,,all of it, it's worthless. They are (again) complicit and will accept full responsibility for what ever happens going forward.
So, get in these deathbuckets and race. They will do what they want, when they want to and have no one to blame for it but themselves.
NOTE: Apparently the failed part has been identified. But get this, it had 14,000 miles on it and was an older design long since recommended for replacement with a V.2. But not in Hinch's case....
Sam Schmidt up on the wishbone revisions though! :shakehead:
http://www.racer.com/indycar/item/116981-indy-500-source-of-hinchcliffe-s-crash-confirmed
B3RACER1a
05-20-15, 02:16 PM
NOTE: Apparently the failed part has been identified. But get this, it had 14,000 miles on it and was an older design long since recommended for replacement with a V.2. But not in Hinch's case....
Sam Schmidt up on the wishbone revisions though! :shakehead:
http://www.racer.com/indycar/item/116981-indy-500-source-of-hinchcliffe-s-crash-confirmed
Yep. But I'll go out and say that the cause of the crash was not indycars fault. Rocker caused the crash, and that should have been monitored by the team. No need for indycar to mandate anything here, unless they want to adopt something along the lines of limited life parts like in aircraft.
Now, as far the wishbone punching through the tub...I think indycar is somewhat responsible there....because I really doubt any thorough testing was done there to show there were no ununintended consequnces of streathening those arms....ie.....them punching through the tub they had just beefed up.
The law of unintended consequence. Their fix didn't fix it and they made it a hazard to the tub.
Does anyone there think more than one step ahead OR be proactive? It like the design and management version of Whack-a-Mole.
Acknowledging that there is an issue at ALL is uncharted territory for them. Your tolerance and patience is appreciated. :tony:
Now, as far the wishbone punching through the tub...I think indycar is somewhat responsible there....because I really doubt any thorough testing was done there to show there were no ununintended consequnces of streathening those arms....ie.....them punching through the tub they had just beefed up.
Hinch's car had Ye Olde Design Rockour Arms on it. They were UNstreatheningedified.
Napoleon
05-20-15, 02:45 PM
get this, it had 14,000 miles on it . . .
WTF!? How doe any stressed part on a purpose built race car get any where close to that many miles on it? I always assumed, or may be I got it from reading stuff like Carroll Smith's Engineering to Win when I got into amateur racing myself, that every single stressed part was assigned a "lifetime" by the designing engineer and when it reached it was taken off the car and assigned to the trash can. I guess (especially since it has been 20 years since I read that book) an alternative is the part is run through a dye test or x-raying or something once it reaches its service life expiration and is recertified for use.
I hope Ed S weighs in.
For comparison, here is the rocker arm on Justin Wilson's B02/20 Lola.
http://s16.postimg.org/7gcz9vbut/Lola_Champ_Car_Front_Suspension.jpg
If there's anyone who knows about unintended consequences of strengthening parts, it's Sam Schmidt. Ask him about the time Tony George called for indestructible gearboxes, to reduce the bills teams got after crashes.
Hinch's car had Ye Olde Design Rockour Arms on it. They were UNstreatheningedified.
Can you imagine the fine that would have been levied had this been in F1? Which brings to question, why hasn't IndyCar done the same?
If IndyCar wants to be considered as a legitimate series, they need to begin acting like one. I know, it would be a first, but it has to start somewhere.
Out of ICU.
http://www.racer.com/indycar/item/116949-indycar-medical-update-on-james-hinchcliffe
stroker
05-20-15, 04:35 PM
Out of ICU.
http://www.racer.com/indycar/item/116949-indycar-medical-update-on-james-hinchcliffe
and hopefully out of the damned series, as well. Get better, Hinch!
B3RACER1a
05-20-15, 04:38 PM
Hinch's car had Ye Olde Design Rockour Arms on it. They were UNstreatheningedified.
We're actually talking about different things....THREE things have been streanthefied recently. :D
Rockers, the tub, AND suspension arms. The suspension arms being beefed up (without a little testing) to show they dont punch through the tub is what everyone should have a problem with.
A simple FMEA with a competent engineer would have identified that "hey if we make this suspension arm stronger, it may lead to it being too strong in a crash".
Ed_Severson
05-20-15, 09:46 PM
I hope Ed S weighs in.
You might be the only one. ;)
First of all, quite happy to hear the prognosis that Hinchcliffe will make a full recovery. He's very fortunate if that is the final outcome.
Secondly, so everyone who reads this is aware, I left a full-time job with an IndyCar team in October and have been off doing Indy Lights since then. I came back last week to help out for the month (filling in for someone who quit unexpectedly), so I have been in the garage and was present in pitlane when the accident occurred. However, there have been a lot of things that have happened in the series in the last six months that I am still getting caught up on, so I may not be 100% correct on everything that follows (though I should be in the ballpark).
The component that failed and caused the accident was indeed the right front rocker, which cracked around one of the bearings. Dallara sells rocker blanks to the teams; the teams then drill their own holes for pushrod attachment within prescribed areas to create whatever motion ratio they wish. I read somewhere (and I'll be damned if I can find it now) that the part was originally sold to Panther Racing. If this is true, Schmidt likely picked it up at the auction last year, but this might be incorrect information and it has belonged to Schmidt all along. I honestly don't know for sure.
At any rate, the part mileage was around 14,000 at the time of failure. The Dallara mechabook outlines a mileage limit of 2,500 for the axial and needle roller bearings, but no limit for the blank itself. Teams are encouraged to regularly crack check these items -- this is done at fairly regular intervals (after every event in most cases) but mileage limits probably vary widely. At some teams it may be as low as the 2,500 mile limit for the bearings, some places they may be a seasonal item, and some teams may run them indefinitely until crack checking indicates an issue. This, in my opinion, is the biggest problem with the inflated Dallara pricing -- teams paying unnecessarily high prices is one thing on its face, but ultimately it leads to teams pushing the limits on component mileages to avoid draining the budget with high-priced spares. Another contributing factor here is that this particular rocker had been anodized, which makes the crack checking process more difficult (though certainly not impossible).
Apparently at some point there was an update to the thickness of the front rocker blanks. Honestly, I have no recollection of that, and I can't locate a Dallara bulletin about it, so it may have been in 2012 or it may have been over this past offseason. I don't know for certain. What I do know for certain is that the update was recommended but not mandatory.
One update that was mandatory was reinforcement of the front lower wishbones due to increased compression and tension forces resulting from the increased aero kit loads. This reinforcement was done for everyone over the 2014/2015 winter. While that obviously makes the wishbone less likely to buckle in this sort of accident, I think Sam Schmidt's comment that "Previously, it would have folded" is speculative at best. He is not an engineer, he's not qualified to make that determination, and at the time he gave that quote nobody who is qualified would have had time to properly assess whether or not that's actually true.
In any event, there will be a mandatory update to the inboard wishbone rod ends for Carb Day practice on Friday, as a temporary countermeasure, and further updates for the race on Sunday.
Thanks Ed, good luck. Hope fate cooperates.
Lux Interior
05-20-15, 11:40 PM
It's a shame because those DP-01 parts were made by Elan / Panoz and were much more affordable IIRC.
[QUOTE]A horror crash like the one suffered by Indycar star James Hinchcliffe is unlikely in formula one.
First, F1 suspension arms are made of carbon fibre, not steel as in Indycar.
And, crucially, F1 cars are reinforced specifically for anti-penetration with a super-strong material called Zylon./QUOTE]
Source (http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns30890.html)
Ted
B3RACER1a
05-21-15, 07:22 AM
[QUOTE]A horror crash like the one suffered by Indycar star James Hinchcliffe is unlikely in formula one.
First, F1 suspension arms are made of carbon fibre, not steel as in Indycar.
And, crucially, F1 cars are reinforced specifically for anti-penetration with a super-strong material called Zylon./QUOTE]
Source (http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns30890.html)
Ted
Indycars were retrofitted with Zylon last off season around the tub.
Indycars were retrofitted with Zylon last off season around the tub.
Is this the 30lbs of carbonfiber cladding added to keep the tub from breaking in two (ala Justin Wilson at Fontana)...or is this Zylon addition ON TOP OF the 30lbs of carbon fiber cladding to prevent side intrusion (ala Mikhail Aleshin wreck at Fontana)?
I ask a fair question here...at which point do all these "additions" start going in the wrong direction and make the tub worse? This might be the worst part of the Dallara safety cell (tub) idea IMHO. If they were creating new mandated tubs each year (with all new safety built in) that's one thing. But it appears this is designed for failure (especially for poor teams) who strap, bolt and glue on changes like the archaic days of automotive innovation with tin cans and hose clamps.
Briscoe in for Hinch
http://www.racer.com/indycar/item/117039-racer-video-ryan-briscoe-ready-to-race-for-hinchcliffe
TravelGal
05-21-15, 06:56 PM
That was a peculiar interview. To quote Forrest Gump, "And that's all I have to say about that."
Briscoe in for Hinch
http://www.racer.com/indycar/item/117039-racer-video-ryan-briscoe-ready-to-race-for-hinchcliffe
Briscoe is the third driver for the #63 Corvette at Le Mans this year. I am surprised Chevy gave him clearance to race, especially for a Honda powered team. Hope he stays safe.
B3RACER1a
05-21-15, 08:11 PM
Is this the 30lbs of carbonfiber cladding added to keep the tub from breaking in two (ala Justin Wilson at Fontana)...or is this Zylon addition ON TOP OF the 30lbs of carbon fiber cladding to prevent side intrusion (ala Mikhail Aleshin wreck at Fontana)?
I ask a fair question here...at which point do all these "additions" start going in the wrong direction and make the tub worse? This might be the worst part of the Dallara safety cell (tub) idea IMHO. If they were creating new mandated tubs each year (with all new safety built in) that's one thing. But it appears this is designed for failure (especially for poor teams) who strap, bolt and glue on changes like the archaic days of automotive innovation with tin cans and hose clamps.
I believe it is the latter, but I can't find anything specifically calling that out. And I completely agree with you, it seems like it is one add-on or change on top of another, and another, and another....etc. I suppose that is better than sitting on your hands like they did with the 1st generation IRL cars and the non-crushable gearboxes.
I try to look at this as objectively as ppossible. Maybe this car was rushed out a bit too quickly....
Ed_Severson
05-21-15, 09:05 PM
Is this the 30lbs of carbonfiber cladding added to keep the tub from breaking in two (ala Justin Wilson at Fontana)...or is this Zylon addition ON TOP OF the 30lbs of carbon fiber cladding to prevent side intrusion (ala Mikhail Aleshin wreck at Fontana)?
Neither. The side intrusion panels were strengthened with a combination of carbon fiber and zylon during the 13/14 offseason. That modification added about 12 pounds to the chassis. No changes were made after 2014.
I ask a fair question here...at which point do all these "additions" start going in the wrong direction and make the tub worse? This might be the worst part of the Dallara safety cell (tub) idea IMHO. If they were creating new mandated tubs each year (with all new safety built in) that's one thing. But it appears this is designed for failure (especially for poor teams) who strap, bolt and glue on changes like the archaic days of automotive innovation with tin cans and hose clamps.
The modification to the side intrusion panels had absolutely nothing to do with this incident, and I'm not sure why anyone would think they would create any sort of problem.
On another note ... c'mon, Ziggy, you should have left that up. That **** was hilarious. :rofl:
On another another note ... driver change. Yeehaw.
Good news on Hinch's recovery .....
Sam Schmidt, co-owner of the Hinchcliffe’s No. 5 Schmidt Peterson Motorsports Honda said on Thursday he expects the 28-year-old Oakville native to be back racing before the end of the 2015 Verizon IndyCar Series season.
Dr. Timothy Pohlman, senior staff trauma surgeon at IU, was amazed at the recuperative powers that Hinchcliffe was displaying just days after such a major injury.
There was even speculation on Thursday that Hinchcliffe could leave the hospital early next week.
Source (http://www.torontosun.com/2015/05/21/hinchcliffe-a-real-fast-healer)
Ted
:thumbup:
TravelGal
05-22-15, 03:41 PM
On another note ... c'mon, Ziggy, you should have left that up. That **** was hilarious. :rofl:
DANG! I thought I missed something when I saw the reason for editing. Gotta check back more often.
ABORT ABORT ABORT ABORT.....but it's ok to race with at Indy. Ahhhh, the sweet smell of FAILURE. :laugh::rofl::laugh::rofl::laugh::rofl:
Multiple sources have confirmed to RACER that a meeting between IndyCar and its engine manufacturers took place on Monday where a variety of post-Indy 500 aerodynamic options were considered. Everything from abandoning the 2015-spec floors (that feature holes at their leading edges) to a complete return to Dallara's stock oval bodywork package--starting at the June 6 race at Texas Motor Speedway--is on the table. As of Friday morning, no decisions have been made.
At least two primary reasons have been cited for the possible course reversal with oval aero kits. All four crashes this month have featured some form of flip or flight, and while many theories on the root causes have been offered, it's clear a significant knowledge gap exists. Few would claim to have an exhaustive understanding of why each crash resulted in an airborne moment, and with limited time before the next oval event takes place, switching back to Dallara's oval bodywork configurations would return the series to a known and proven state.
http://www.racer.com/indycar/item/117068-indy-500-2014-speedway-aerodynamics-could-return-after-indianapolis
Hinch up and walking. :)
I hope they don't trot him out during the Indy 500 broadcast.
Seems like taking it easy for awhile to make sure there's no damage would be more better.
TKGAngel
05-22-15, 07:50 PM
Hinch up and walking. :)
Here's the AP Story complete with photo. (A Hinch-stagram, I suppose)
http://racing.ap.org/article/hinchcliffe-jokes-hes-readying-5k
Here's hoping to a continued good recovery…and that he doesn't gain any roommates at Methodist from Sunday's race.
@ least they have #24....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlNlGyWSC3Q
Kiwifan
05-23-15, 04:28 AM
DANG! I thought I missed something when I saw the reason for editing. Gotta check back more often.
I did see the original post, not many words but a few *** :) Thought he must have been on the angry pills or saw Spiccles out on his lawn. :laugh:
I'm waiting for BiF to weigh in. He has been strangely quiet this month.
Mr. Vengeance
05-23-15, 03:24 PM
I'm waiting for BiF to weigh in. He has been strangely quiet this month.
"OH man oh man gettin egcited. TIme to start coilin the snakes" https://twitter.com/BigIrlFan
Interesting theory on why the cars are taking flight ......
Another question begs: Why aren’t these cars sticking and sliding like Indy cars used to do?
One theory points to the car’s construction. While older Indy cars and many other Formula cars have side-pods with high fronts that serve to some extent as a crash structure, the Dallara’s structure just aft of the front wheels is primarily an extension of the floor pan.
That structure is likely the first to hit the wall and transfer load to the rest of the car once the wheels shear off — and it’s well below the car’s centre of gravity. Basic physics suggests a significant lever action as a result that would induce a roll motion in the car. This is exactly what I’m seeing in video reviews of these crashes.
Link (http://www.thestar.com/autos/2015/05/22/indycar-why-did-hinchcliffe-crash.html?referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fr.duckduckgo.com% 2Fl%2F%3Fkh%3D-1%26uddg%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.thestar.com%252F autos%252F2015%252F05%252F22%252Findycar-why-did-hinchcliffe-crash.html)
Ted
Napoleon
05-24-15, 11:52 AM
The problems with the cars taking flight has gotten a decent amount of non-racing media attention the last few days.
opinionated ow
05-24-15, 12:04 PM
The problems with the cars taking flight has gotten a decent amount of non-racing media attention the last few days.
The so called racing media in this country, 'RPM' (which used to be a great show about all forms of motorsport) only showed it in passing, mentioned The Dancer's flip and that three Aussies were in it and then moved on.
How can you not get a crappy in gear to start the 499.5? And one engine already done blown up. :shakehead:
I'm actually watching the Indy 500; haven't look at it this much since 1995. I know I'm getting old, but did it always take so long to start? I can't listen to Alan Bestwick, Goodyear and I guess Cheever (bleech) for 3 hours, but I am curious about the start. I truly hope they're all safe.
First wreck (I was just about to click submit reply) and at least all the cars stayed upright.
Mary
The so called racing media in this country, 'RPM' (which used to be a great show about all forms of motorsport) only showed it in passing, mentioned The Dancer's flip and that three Aussies were in it and then moved on.
Frank Isola, one of the reporters on ESPN's The Sports Reporters gave his "parting shot" on the Indy 500. Dug up an old James Murray editorial from 49 years ago about flying coffins. He mentioned the upside-down cars without any explanation and wished everyone a safe race. Ho hum.
Mary
I thought Dario quit racing.
I'm not kidding.
It appeared that one of the Target cars set up a pass and executed it before the corner. In doing so, he left the car that was towing him behind to try later to make the same pass.
It almost looked like a real pass.
I am so confused. :confused:
What bad timing. I was on the edge of my seat.
TKGAngel
05-24-15, 03:25 PM
I thought Dario quit racing.
He did. He's now a driver coach for Chip. However, DF drove Jim Clark's winning car around the speedway today to commemorate 50 years since his Indy 500 win.
He did. He's now a driver coach for Chip. However, DF drove Jim Clark's winning car around the speedway today to commemorate 50 years since his Indy 500 win.
Ok, thanks.
Wish I could say I was happy about the winner today. Oh well.
What ever you think of JPM you have to admit that was an incredible drive.
The problem with Juan is that he's his own worse enemy.
He should have been battling for (and winning) F1 championships instead of wasting all that time in stock cars.
TravelGal
05-24-15, 06:09 PM
What ever you think of JPM you have to admit that was an incredible drive.
Agreed. You can never count him out. Not a big fan of his but at least I don't actively dislike him the way I do some drivers. I was glad to see Power wasn't as gutted as I expected him to be. Dixie on the other hand, sheesh.
I hate to say this in an open forum, as I sit here in BRIGHT ORANGE ChampCar tee shirt, but Travel Guy has opined that it might be nice to go the Huert FiHunert next year. Oh gahhh. :yuck: But, if he wants to, I'm investigating it. Anyone have a tips--besides "stay away"?
opinionated ow
05-24-15, 10:11 PM
Agreed. You can never count him out. Not a big fan of his but at least I don't actively dislike him the way I do some drivers. I was glad to see Power wasn't as gutted as I expected him to be. Dixie on the other hand, sheesh.
I hate to say this in an open forum, as I sit here in BRIGHT ORANGE ChampCar tee shirt, but Travel Guy has opined that it might be nice to go the Huert FiHunert next year. Oh gahhh. :yuck: But, if he wants to, I'm investigating it. Anyone have a tips--besides "stay away"?
Forget IMS and do the Hulman Classic at Terre Haute, the Hoosier 100 at the Fairgrounds, Day before the 500 at IRP and the Little 500 at Anderson ;)
Mr. Vengeance
05-24-15, 11:13 PM
https://twitter.com/Indy500Pics
Spent my day refreshing this. Some classy folks there. :gomer:
Lux Interior
05-24-15, 11:42 PM
https://twitter.com/Indy500Pics
Spent my day refreshing this. Some classy folks there. :gomer:
Not your wine and cheese crowd.:D
TravelGal
05-25-15, 01:55 AM
Thanks, guys. :p All follows the comment even the guys in the booth made about how much garbage was on the race track. You see an errant plastic bag every once in a while at the other tracks but at Speedway you can hardly drive through it. Anyway, I found a tour company that charge $1095 per person for two nights hotel, paddock passes, and pretty poor tickets . Big rip off. Would love some insider information.
Napoleon
05-25-15, 06:26 AM
https://twitter.com/Indy500Pics
Spent my day refreshing this. Some classy folks there. :gomer:
You don't know what Indy means!
Happy for Montoya; hey, somebody had to win it. I'm a Montoya fan although I usually am not drawn to drivers like him. Was sad to see him leave F1, but he got me to watch NASCAR again (I stopped after they acted so stupid when Earnhardt died). Of course, his NASCAR career was disappointing, to say the least. Did not come with him to Indycar and initially I thought he should have retired, but he seems to be rejuvenated, so good for him.
Very glad this race did not turn into a flying circus.
I changed channels after my last post but checked back a couple of times during the race and turned in the last time right after Montoya made the winning pass. I realize I didn't listen for long, but do they use the same broadcast team even on NBCSN? I hope not; you can't get three duller guys together on the air at the same time. Admittedly, I have residual seething hate for Goodyear & Cheever, but gosh they were dull.
My Indycar knowledge comes mainly from this forum and Gordon Kirby's writing in Motorsport. The little I watched today made me realize how much the sport has passed me by. Oddly, I don't feel the urge to get into it again. I've read that the competition is as good as it ever was (didn't read that here), sucky cars and all, but the only drivers I know are the old holdovers from CART or Champcar and I don't feel like learning about the others.
Residual hate again?
Mary
TKGAngel
05-25-15, 08:51 AM
(snip)
I changed channels after my last post but checked back a couple of times during the race and turned in the last time right after Montoya made the winning pass. I realize I didn't listen for long, but do they use the same broadcast team even on NBCSN? I hope not; you can't get three duller guys together on the air at the same time. Admittedly, I have residual seething hate for Goodyear & Cheever, but gosh they were dull.
Mary
Leigh Diffey, Townsend Bell and PT are the NBC Broadcast crew. They're much better than Goodyear/Cheever. Much better.
stroker
05-25-15, 10:17 AM
Leigh Diffey, Townsend Bell and PT are the NBC Broadcast crew. They're much better than Goodyear/Cheever. Much better.
JUST...
CAN'T...
LISTEN...
TO...
LEIGH...
DIFFEY...
He sounds like a braying donkey that needs the Patton treatment.
opinionated ow
05-25-15, 10:24 AM
JUST...
CAN'T...
LISTEN...
TO...
LEIGH...
DIFFEY...
He sounds like a braying donkey that needs the Patton treatment.
Finally; I thought I was the only one. When we were in Canada last year, he was doing the commentary on whatever GP it was that we watched. I'd forgotten how bad Diffey was...
I compared photos of this year's race with this from 2003, whilst these crapwagons weren't pretty they put the modern ones to shame...
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xta1/t31.0-8/11357190_10152810676511516_613165697190452108_o.jp g
chop456
05-25-15, 06:01 PM
Another steaming turd with giant stretches of empty seats. Good job, Tony.
Don Quixote
05-25-15, 07:04 PM
Remember when we used to care enough to have attendance threads and tv ratings threads?
Remember when we used to care enough to have attendance threads and tv ratings threads?
Russian judge == .1 :tony:
TravelGal
05-26-15, 05:05 PM
Remember when we used to care enough to have attendance threads and tv ratings threads?
Attendance? TV ratings? What are these strange things of which you speak?
JohnHKart
05-27-15, 04:01 AM
JUST...
CAN'T...
LISTEN...
TO...
LEIGH...
DIFFEY...
He sounds like a braying donkey that needs the Patton treatment.
For sure. He's just bloody awful!
JUST...
CAN'T...
LISTEN...
TO...
LEIGH...
DIFFEY...
He sounds like a braying donkey that needs the Patton treatment.
I'm in tears, I'm laughing so hard. Oh my goodness.
Mary
Leigh Diffey, Townsend Bell and PT are the NBC Broadcast crew. They're much better than Goodyear/Cheever. Much better.
Thanks for the info, maybe I'll listen in for a few minutes before the season is over.
Mary
Another steaming turd with giant stretches of empty seats. Good job, Tony.
Yeah, I noticed the aluminati families and all but I'm trying not to be negative (this is for my boss, totally unrelated to this forum) so I didn't mention it.
Mary
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