2022 is here.

[devilmaster]

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[pfc_m_drake]

I know everybody will like it (and I know it's just a 'generic' concept) but I'm kind of meh on it.
The comments will be 'It's Cool!!!!11' but so was the DW12 with the UAK. The problem is when you se 22 of them looking basically identical bopping around on the track.

I know there's room for Aero Development in the rules. Hopefully there's enough flexibility.
Time will tell.

On to the accolades.

[WickerBill]

The halo doesn't look bolted on. There are no stupid aero winglets, etc. Both good things. Wish it was narrower and weighed less.


It's super weird that they made the 18" wheels appear to be 13" on the model.

[SteveH]

I know everybody will like it (and I know it's just a 'generic' concept) but I'm kind of meh on it.

Same here. Looks less radical than I had hoped. I do not care for the mini-fenders above the front tires. Why are they there? The rear wing looks melted, too swoopy. I don't care for open wheel cars with massive floors. All of them have it these days, including IndyCar. I know that generates downforce but I'd like to the see the floor no wider than the side pods. I also would like to see the F1 chassis shortened by about 2 feet. I think I need to go back in time about 25 years to be happy. :\

[pfc_m_drake]

Same here. Looks less radical than I had hoped. I do not care for the mini-fenders above the front tires. Why are they there? The rear wing looks melted, too swoopy. I don't care for open wheel cars with massive floors. All of them have it these days, including IndyCar. I know that generates downforce but I'd like to the see the floor no wider than the side pods. I also would like to see the F1 chassis shortened by about 2 feet. I think I need to go back in time about 25 years to be happy. :\
I think the idea behind the front wing end-fences is to both reduce costs, and reduce the potential for damage/debris, thereby allowing for better racing (in theory).

The kick-up turning vane on the outside of the front wing fence (that I think you're talking about) is to help divert the airstream over the front wheels. Believe it or not these features have a big effect on aerodynamic performance. Unfortunately (and you and I are in agreement on this) because there is a cost-control aspect to the new car, it consequently looks janky (compared to today).

Hopefully once the teams get their hands things there's enough freedom to evolve the design to keep people like us happy. Oh...and I also agree with you regarding large floors: Sure, it makes downforce - but using a huge floor feels like the 'easy' way out.

[opinionated ow]

I know everybody will like it (and I know it's just a 'generic' concept) but I'm kind of meh on it.
The comments will be 'It's Cool!!!!11' but so was the DW12 with the UAK. The problem is when you se 22 of them looking basically identical bopping around on the track.

I know there's room for Aero Development in the rules. Hopefully there's enough flexibility.
Time will tell.

On to the accolades.

I think it looks daft. The anteater nose, the gratuitously curvy rear end. I laughed when I saw it

[pfc_m_drake]

I think it looks daft. The anteater nose, the gratuitously curvy rear end. I laughed when I saw it
The nose (looks) rather long.

I didn't like all the rules of the era, but as an Aero guy, these were the cars for me. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McLaren_MP4-23#/media/File:Heikki_Kovalainen_2008_Canada_2.jpg)

Perhaps, as I said, this generation will grow on us. After all, we did put up with these things (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotus_T127#/media/File:Lotus_Racing_Car_Launch_2010.jpg)for a while. :laugh:

[stroker]

Can't say I care much, one way or another. The "racing" is too contrived and too expensive to take seriously, for me, anyway.

[WickerBill]

Okay let's say some nice things about it.

The nose step is gone. The winglets are gone. The nose doesn't look IRL-long in other angles (that front wing accentuates the schnozz at that angle - see below). The rear wing stayed low (Red Bull wanted the super tall wing circa-2010 back).

I think they'll look good-to-great in real liveries. And if they make following easier... then I'm really onboard.

https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fom-website/manual/Misc/2021manual/2021BritishManualAdds/2022CarImages/2022CarImageSTUDIO/2022-F1-Car-Race-Service---Ryan-Davis-4.jpg.transform/9col-retina/image.jpg

[SteveH]

https://www.autoracing1.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/f1/misc/2022carhaas.jpg

https://www.autoracing1.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/f1/misc/2022carredbull.jpg

https://www.autoracing1.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/f1/misc/2022caralphatauri.jpg

https://www.autoracing1.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/f1/misc/2022carmclaren.jpg

https://www.autoracing1.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/f1/misc/2022carwilliams.jpg

https://www.autoracing1.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/f1/misc/2022carmercedes.jpg

[SteveH]

https://www.autoracing1.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/f1/misc/2022caralfaromeo.jpg

https://www.autoracing1.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/f1/misc/2022carastonmartin.jpg

https://www.autoracing1.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/f1/misc/2022caralpine.jpg

[TravelGal]

I think it looks daft. The anteater nose, the gratuitously curvy rear end. I laughed when I saw it

Thank God I'm not the only one.


Can't say I care much, one way or another. The "racing" is too contrived and too expensive to take seriously, for me, anyway.

Agreed. And yet I watch.

WB, I like your post the best because the colors deflect one from what the car actually looks like. :gomer:

[nrc]

It's no DP01.

[opinionated ow]

It's no DP01.

And that thing was ugly as sin compared to a Reynard, Lola, Penske or Swift

[nissan gtp]

it’s interesting, but the real cars will likely be rather different. I give them kudos for trying to let them run closer together

[nrc]

Pardon my ignorance, I haven't been paying attention. Are the little fenderlets that enclose the back of the front wheels purely aero? To prevent creating turbulence around the back of the wheel? So brake cooling is through the front and vents out the top?

[WickerBill]

Brakes are still cooled as normal. The front tire winglets are an effort to smooth air off the back of the car so the car behind can follow more closely. They're mandated.

[indyfan31]

To quote NRC, pardon my ignorance, but how are winglets along the"inside" of the front wheels going to smooth the airflow out the back of the car after passing over the radiators, engine cover, and through the rear wing?

Also, and really I feel like I missed a meeting here, aren't the teams building their own cars the way they want to next year? :tony:

[Pilgrims Drop]

Also, and really I feel like I missed a meeting here, aren't the teams building their own cars the way they want to next year? :tony:

Teams have stated that their cars doesn't look remotely like the FIA marketing thingy

[WickerBill]

To quote NRC, pardon my ignorance, but how are winglets along the"inside" of the front wheels going to smooth the airflow out the back of the car after passing over the radiators, engine cover, and through the rear wing?

"The new 18-inch wheels with low-profile tires are strikingly different, as the current cars use 13-inch wheels. F1 is also reintroducing wheel covers and adding small winglets over the wheels to control airflow; the 2022 regulations aim to steer the wake tightly along the sides of the car, rather than forcing it outward as the current front-end design does."

¯\_(?)_/¯

I was trying to do the * shrug * guy but I feel the question mark does the trick, too.

[pfc_m_drake]

To quote NRC, pardon my ignorance, but how are winglets along the"inside" of the front wheels going to smooth the airflow out the back of the car after passing over the radiators, engine cover, and through the rear wing?

Also, and really I feel like I missed a meeting here, aren't the teams building their own cars the way they want to next year? :tony:


"The new 18-inch wheels with low-profile tires are strikingly different, as the current cars use 13-inch wheels. F1 is also reintroducing wheel covers and adding small winglets over the wheels to control airflow; the 2022 regulations aim to steer the wake tightly along the sides of the car, rather than forcing it outward as the current front-end design does."

¯\_(?)_/¯

I was trying to do the * shrug * guy but I feel the question mark does the trick, too.

You have to consider the motion of the wheel. As the car is traveling forward visualize the rotation of the front wheels. The rear-top portion of the tire effectively 'tugs' the air directly behind the tire up into the airstream - creating a lot of vortices/upsets in the airstream directly above. Putting the flap there helps reduce that effect. Picture here. (https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Ffetchcfd.com%2Fview-project%2F1603-&psig=AOvVaw1Lrnen8maVuGlw-_umQQcw&ust=1626912169132000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAcQjRxqFwoTCPC0safu8vECFQAAAAAdAAAAABAD)

Similarly the tall end-fences on the front wing will help contain the airflow spilling over the front wing elements from directing outwards around the tires. If you take a look at the front wings on today's cars, you see that the end elements actually curve outwards to direct the air around the front tires and help keep the flow around the floor and diffuser area cleaner. I'm not sure if the new tall end fences are mandatory, but if they are, then the theory is likely to direct airflow to the undertray and enhance underbody downforce. Problem is the fences are so tall they look like a 737-700.

[WickerBill]

I would instantly forgive all of the visual not-so-goods if the engines screamed again.

We all put up with the droopy dog noses / rear tire winglets / sidepod cranes era:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/be/Alonso_%28Renault%29_qualifying_at_USGP_2005.jpg


... partially because they sounded so amazing, you kind of didn't care. :)

[pfc_m_drake]

To me, those cars were awesome. But I'm an aero guy.
They should have allowed tire changes...but no complaints about the aero package.

[devilmaster]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vsBPDsAlm0

This was the video almost 2 years ago now, that teased what we might see, and how the design will hopefully give stronger racing.

Time will tell.

(and of course I can't embed the video, cause F1 doesn't like people embedding their vids)