2005 ChampCar World Series Schedule...

[racer2c]

Damn, with fans like these...

[nrc]

Damn, with fans like these...

Some folks are just disgusted that Paul, Kevin and Gerry won't spend even more of their own money to immediately make everything the way they want it.

I can accept that there needs to be a rebuilding period where some decisions need to be driven by costs. But I'm concerned about whether the final product will be something I can enjoy when it's all said and done.

[Dirty Sanchez]

There's free video of F1 and ALMS practice?F1 yes (Speed Channel)... as well as live timing and scoring. ALMS, not that I am aware of. I don't follow the series as closely. But I wouldn't pay for that either.

[racer2c]

Some folks are just disgusted that Paul, Kevin and Gerry won't spend even more of their own money to immediately make everything the way they want it.

I can accept that there needs to be a rebuilding period where some decisions need to be driven by costs. But I'm concerned about whether the final product will be something I can enjoy when it's all said and done.

The thousands of posts within a hundred threads during the court proceedings this year showed a majority of understanding of some of the necessary evils of "rebuilding" the series and the majority were accepting of the changes that we all agreed would come.

F1 Lite won't cut it. Meaning, if no one can go to the races why bother watching races on the other side of the world. Especially if F1 does it better.

IRL Lite won't cut it. Meaning, that crap they put on Saturday night in Vegas was a joke.

Street Festival Side Shows won't cut it. Meaning, well, it would just suck. Although I'd rather watch a Champ Car on a street course than a prototype or a crapwagon any day.

The owners need to finely balance all of the above so as not to create a useless series and while I understand and agree with many of the discouraging sentiments, I haven't seen much yet from the CCWS for me to turn my back on them. Especially for a propped up, sports car series with it's own 'IRL'.

[RTKar]

Basically, he's just showing that it can be done. Champ Car should take notice and not just say... "oh well its just different".

66,000 at Petit this weekend. :thumbup:

I'll be there again next year too. I doubt I will invest a fraction of the dollars in seeing Champ Car races as I do F1 and ALMS. They haven't earned it... yeah, I know... like they gaf.

The current regime doesn't seem to have much of a long term business plan, in my opinion. Chasing the dollar, yuan, rupee or whatever only to see half of these new events tank while having to swallow the loss of Michigan, Detroit, Road America, Mid-Ohio... the list goes on... is not about building the series long term. Its smash and grab stuff and it will catch up to them. :o

Ofcourse, I'll still be watching it all go down (when its on).

p.s. Race Director is for fools. Paying for something you should get for free. Suckers. :shakehead

I was wondering where you stood on the issue of Champcars apparent direction.....Haven't seen you around in awhile..... Seems to me we're more or less on the same page... :thumbup: ...Hopefully we'll have some positive announcements this off season...As for me, I'll follow it as long as it stays interesting.

[mueber]

God this is getting old. The choice is between going where there is an interest versus spending a buzillion dollars trying to convince the public that they want something that they now have no interest in even reading about.

If they want ChampCar in Australia, go to Australia. If they’ll show up in at Road America, go to Road America. If they don’t show up now, chances are against them ever showing up no matter how much marketing you do. When you are on a tight budget, you have to play the odds.

[Warlock!]

p.s. Race Director is for fools. Paying for something you should get for free. Suckers.
I'd like to go on record as saying you're full of poop. RD has been worth every penny to me. Race weekend Fridays (the only day I use it) are much more enjoyable. Free T&S ain't s**** as far as I'm concerned.... I don't have the patience to stare at a screen waiting for a chart of numbers to change as a driver crosses a timing line, especially when I can neither hear or see the cars on track. If T&S is all I get, I'd rather just wait for the results. Buhlee' dat! :p

:D

Warlock!

[Dirty Sanchez]

RD might be the coolest thing on the planet (I've seen it, its not bad)... but I ain't buying it. We should have free timing and scoring... and qualifying should be televised.

Supporting RD sends a different message, imo. :thumdown:





[edit]I should add that I'm rarely around enough to actually use it anyway :D

[BNica]

I actually agree with Crapus on RD. :o


As for the schedule, if you are going to base it, on where you get paid, ok. I will buy that, no pun intended. But at the very least put your shedule out NOW.

[FCYTravis]

I agree with Crapus about the direction of the series. Going for the quick cash now won't pay off in the long term. Losing RA and M-O and the other backbone tracks hurts :(

Still, at least I'll look on the bright side... TWO races right next door to me next year :cool:

International expansion shouldn't be coming at the expense of historic American venues. If the series owners shelled out $500,000 to race at Las Vegas, I see no reason why they can't find some terms to work out with the owners of Road America.

[oddlycalm]

I can accept that there needs to be a rebuilding period where some decisions need to be driven by costs. But I'm concerned about whether the final product will be something I can enjoy when it's all said and done.

That pretty much sums it up for me. I'll cut them some slack while they get their feet under them, but at some point there has to be a payoff. Seeing what Trans Am has become while the manufacturers have stepped up and supported the Speed World Challenge doesn't give me a warm and rosy feeling about CCWS's future. I don't expect it to ever be what it was, but I do expect it to be something worth watching every race weekend.

What should be clear to all though is that these guys have precious little room to make mistakes, and broad alienation of the core fans, right or wrong, is a serious blunder. In established businesses management is considered successful if they get it right 51% of the time, and due to inertia this is generally good enough. When there is very little inertia, you have to do things to build it quickly and prevent it from bleeding off.

After the first season I see some promising signs, but I see some potential enormous mistakes as well. CCWS needs to do some track rentals like they did at LV with a couple core venues like RA and MO, then contract promotion out to someone that can actually get the job done. If they don't they will lose the core fans IMO. I'd like to say that it wouldn't effect my interest, but I'd be a liar.

There are a lot of things that could be done on a break even basis. I would have a travel company come up with very affordable race packages that could be offered in the other cities CCWS races in including Canadian and Mexican cities. Get some of those enthusiastic and knowledgable fans to places like RA and MO and help rebuild those events from the inside out. Create the buzz, bring the money into the community, and show the lazy slugs that own these facilities what can be done if your vision extends beyond your own belly. Get some Vacouver fans to Portland and some Mexican fans to Laguna Seca. Then fix the officiating and figure out how to get these professional drivers lined up for a restart in something something under 20 minutes... :rolleyes:

oc

[RTKar]

It's good to see some other posts expressing the reservations I (and a couple others) have been feeling about the direction of the series. I was wondering if I was the only one that felt that way. I was actually wondering if people were afraid to express their true feelings on this issue. It's good to see that we can all express our opinions here.

[RHR_Fan]

I like RD. I can listen to RHR's audio.

I like CCWS.

I like RA and would be sad to see it gone from the schedule.

I like CCWS.

M-O would be nice to have back too, but since I've never been there I don't have as many attachments as others.

Did I mention I like CCWS?

There's my opinion.

~Nicole

[racer2c]

I like RD. I can listen to RHR's audio.

I like CCWS.

I like RA and would be sad to see it gone from the schedule.

I like CCWS.

M-O would be nice to have back too, but since I've never been there I don't have as many attachments as others.

Did I mention I like CCWS?

There's my opinion.

~Nicole

:thumbup:

[FCYTravis]

It's good to see some other posts expressing the reservations I (and a couple others) have been feeling about the direction of the series. I was wondering if I was the only one that felt that way.
Expressing reservations about the direction of the series is the most important thing we can do for the future of the series. If we blindly follow mistaken leadership, we become no better than the lemming gomers who bow and scrape at every TonyMove(tm).

By pointing out potential flaws in a constructive manner and suggesting improvements, we do our series a great service.

[4wheeldrifter]

Glad to hear there will (likely) be a 2005. :thumbup:

But, no RA and still no M-O. :shakehead :thumdown:

[KLang]

FWIW AR1 is suggesting that RA might be on the table again.

[tllips]

^^^^ I sure hope so! :thumbup:

[oddlycalm]

FWIW AR1 is suggesting that RA might be on the table again. That's not too surprising. The best thing we have going for us on this is that the CCWS team definitely understands where RA fits in, and it's intrinsic value to the series. I'm guessing they will make it happen if they can.

oc

[Amanda B.'s Mom]

There have beed a lot of growing (rebuilding?) pains in OWR recently. This upcoming year is going to be crucial for the series. I will touch on some of the previously made points. and add a few new ones......

Visibility for the series is an utmost concern. The ability to keep the current fans and also cultivate new ones.

I agree that OWRS should do what they can to encourage fans to attend race venues in areas that they have not attended. A year long series of ticket give-aways would not cost that much in the huge picture of things. These give-aways should be structured so that fans at a certain type of track have the opportunity to win tickets, lodging, and transportation to a completely different venue in a different location. Will give a few examples and base this on the 2004 schedule: At Long Beach, give tickets for Milwaukee; at Milwaukee it would be Vancouver; at Vancouver it could be Road America; at Denver it could be Australia, etc.

OWRS needs to keep a variety of venues on the schedule. They need to keep a variety of locations, but within and outside of the Americas.

They also need to find the necessary resources to promote thier races to the max. This could be done by developing partnerships with existing team and series sponsors. I remember when autographs sessions at K-mart were something that always happened when the drivers were in the area for a race. The show car would be in the parking lot of K-Mart. Poeple could sit in it and take photos. A team member was there to answer questions about the car and series. The show car presence usually happened prior to the race weekend, to generate interest in the race.

More involvement in series promotion from the teams. Things like special drawings at the tracks on race weekends. One idea is to have a lunch with the driver at the track drawing. Another is to have drawings for autographed team merchandise. Many current fans would love the opportunity to participate in things like this. Drawings and special acticities for people under 18. What better way to get a life loing fan than to provide a special experience for a child?

More involvement from local media and tracks to offer incentives for people to come to races. This could be partially subsidised by the series and teams. I know there are many ticket give aways, but I am thinking more than just tickets here. Something as simple as giving out a free program periodically when a person purchases or presents their ticket would be one idea. Another would be a free pace car ride. Event T-shirts, pins, would be another. Ticket upgrades to include paddock access. A chance to interview a specific driver, with the interview (editied if need be) being in the local newspaper or radio station. Access to the winners circle following the race. The list could go on and on.

Agree on free internet access to timing and radio feed. This is something that I often utilized when it was free. Many other race series have this for free. There are a number of fans who do not have cable or dish access to view races. The expense of RD made it unavailable to me, considering my limited income and availability to utilize it during miost of the season. There could be a charge for some of the features, but I feel the basics should be offered without charge.

OWRS needs to let the current fans know that they are appreciated and also cultivate new fans. This is a difficult thing to do, but it can be done with minimal expense.

Please forgive me if i mentioned things that are presently occuring at race venues I am unfamaliar with.

OK, my rant is finished now ;)

[Lizzerd]

And quite a rant it was... :thumbup:

I can't see a thing in it that I disagree with, either.

[SurfaceUnits]

Edmonton Champ Car race not a done deal, says executive.

TY PILSON, SUN MEDIA

CALGARY -- There could be a little grease thrown into the fire when it comes to the Battle of Alberta. A Champ Car executive confirmed to the Sun yesterday the open-wheel racing series is actively pursuing an event in Alberta for 2005 with both Calgary and Edmonton in the mix.

BATTLE IS ON

"I can tell you in no uncertain terms we would to love to see at least one race in Alberta by 2005," said Joe Chrnelich, Champ Car's executive vice-president of development, government affairs and planning. "I don't want to jinx the situation but we're very encouraged with the quality of the promoters for both communities."

However, Chrnelich denied reports out of Edmonton yesterday that a race to be held on the City Centre airport in July was a done deal which could have jeopardized Calgary's chances for a race of its own.

"We have been in discussions with the promoter in Edmonton and we have come to an agreement on the potential terms of an agreement but it is in no way a done deal," said Chrnelich. "There is still one major item that needs to be satisfied, which would either make it happen or not happen. But, in the meantime, we are still continuing discussions with Molson about Calgary because I know they are very interested in the potential of a race in Calgary."

As for the possibility of Champ Car staging races in both Edmonton and Calgary - which some say would be logistically unfeasible - or if and how the series would choose one over the other, Chrnelich said, "We'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

"If it comes to the point where it looks like there could be (a race) in both, we start to ask those questions in a serious vein," he added.

The Molson Indy group - which already promotes races in Toronto, Vancouver and Montreal - has been investigating the possibility of staging a race in Calgary for months now.

Stampede Park and Race City Motorsport Park are the front-runners to be the site of the race. Representatives from both venues said last week they had yet to hear back from Molson Indy officials since submitting their official proposals to host the event in August.

'SOMETHING TO SAY IN 10 DAYS'

Molson Indy GM Bob Singleton wouldn't comment yesterday other than to say, "We're working in tandem with Champ car and we hope to have something (to say) within 10 days."

[jonovision_man]

So we're going to run every race in Canada now? :)

jono

[Mark521]

From John Oreovicz at ESPN:

Schedule to be announced on October 21st, TV deal on November 1st.

http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/news/story?id=1898398

CBS time-buy agreement
A source familiar with the negotiations revealed to ESPN.com that Champ Car management has reached a basic time-buy agreement with CBS that will see at least six races televised live on the network in 2005, growing to as many as thirteen races in 2007. The Long Beach Grand Prix may be added as a seventh network race if logistical differences can be ironed out. Scheduled on the final day of The Masters (a CBS institution), the Long Beach start could be moved up to as early as 11 a.m. to facilitate live coverage. The event could be shown on a tape-delay basis or shifted to Champ Car's cable partner, which is expected to be SPEED Channel. Champ Car's 2005 race schedule is slated for release on Oct. 21 while an announcement of the TV package is being planned for Nov. 1 in New York.

[devilmaster]

CBS at least six races televised live on the network in 2005, growing to as many as thirteen races in 2007. Champ Car's cable partner, which is expected to be SPEED Channel.

Wow. Back to the future.

If it pans out, hope Varsha might find a home with TK again.

Steve

[jonovision_man]

a basic time-buy agreement with CBS

Good to be back on network TV, but buying time again? How deep are KK's pockets anyway??

jono

[Classic Apex]

Good to be back on network TV, but buying time again? How deep are KK's pockets anyway??

jono

As long as the CBS boradcasts beat a Fontanta .1...I don't care how much it costs, and I doubt they do either.

[audi quattro]

Wow. Back to the future.

If it pans out, hope Varsha might find a home with TK again.

Steve

Although that would be nice, I can't see it as long as varsha is doing the F1 races. If you were him, and you had a choice, which one would you do????

If he were doing both from a far far off land then maybe. But because the champcar races have the host actually at the races, I can't see varsha doing the F1 races in a studio with his co-horts, then rushing to the champcar race.

[Methanolandbrats]

As long as the CBS boradcasts beat a Fontanta .1...I don't care how much it costs, and I doubt they do either. Unless the production quality improves, it won't be much better than a .1

[devilmaster]

Although that would be nice, I can't see it as long as varsha is doing the F1 races. If you were him, and you had a choice, which one would you do????

If he were doing both from a far far off land then maybe. But because the champcar races have the host actually at the races, I can't see varsha doing the F1 races in a studio with his co-horts, then rushing to the champcar race.

Naturally, part of me agrees with this sentiment. And if it pans out this way, I won't be surprised. What does Bob prefer? I don't know, haven't asked him.

But when Speed had Champcar and F1 before, Speed made their choice - Varsha does Champcar, and whats his name (brainfarting) did F1.

It might completely come down to what Varsha wants. It would only affect a few weekends, no? Could he do both series except in those rare instances where time restraints affect a last minute change? Entirely possible.

Benji has done a great job, and if he's in, i'll still be happy. Very simply, and this is not an insult to Benji, but if Champcar goes back to Speed (which is still unconfirmed) I feel Varsha is the best man for the job. (Years ago, when Bob did his first stint with Champcar, I couldn't stand him. I now chock that up to Danny Sullivan ;) )

Steve

[Sean O'Gorman]

But when Speed had Champcar and F1 before, Speed made their choice - Varsha does Champcar, and whats his name (brainfarting) did F1.

Rick Debruhl?

[devilmaster]

Rick Debruhl?

I knew someone was going to correct my faux pas.

Steve

[nrc]

Good to be back on network TV, but buying time again? How deep are KK's pockets anyway??

jono

Hopefully it's an indication that Champ car has more sponsors lined up that they expect to be paying for that time. A better plan to sell the time might help as well. By all accounts CART's effort to sell their own ad time was a disaster.

[jonovision_man]

Unless the production quality improves, it won't be much better than a .1

Indeed.

I guess being on network TV is critical to gaining sponsors for the teams to get them to the point where they're self-sufficient. On the other hand, we've seen this script before with CART, and we know how it ends...

Hopefully they've learned from history and are doing something different than the CART guys, like making damn sure they sell the advertising to recoup their costs!

jono

[jonovision_man]

Hopefully it's an indication that Champ car has more sponsors lined up that they expect to be paying for that time. A better plan to sell the time might help as well. By all accounts CART's effort to sell their own ad time was a disaster.

Didn't see your post before I posted :)

I agree 100%.

jono

[KobySon]

I'm not sure we have the whole story re: selling advertising.

I'm betting the old cart was between a rock and a hard place. The choice was probably between having an agency sell spots with little guarantee of profit because of the ratings situation, or just taking the money for the Ford/Bridgestone spots and trying to sell a few more themselves. It probably would've worked out about the same in the end.

kk

[NoDoors NoDales]

Good to be back on network TV, but buying time again? How deep are KK's pockets anyway??

jono

Its good but that would mean the rest of the season will be on SPEED. I dont think its a good move. Not nearly as many people get SPEED as say SPIKE does. I know I dont in my dorm room.

[Andrew Longman]

CBS and Speed?

Interesting. Some serious sponsors must be lining up to bankroll the time buy on CBS, though having network visibility is the "greens fee" of getting top sponsors. Kinda a chicken and egg deal.

Speed is a notable choice because Spike is a CBS property ( I think) and Speed is a Fox property. You'd think both CCWS and CBS would want to keep in it in the familiy. And what happened to the whole lifestyle marketing to be associated with Spike? I hope that doesn't get lost. Not that I bought into too much of it, but CCWS desparately needs to forge and broadcast its own identity separate from the NECKCAR crowd.

Speed taking them back is interesting too. Perhaps they are realizing that they simply can't broadcast NASCAR 24/7. Especially when much of the same or similar programs are on Fox Sportsnet and a bunch of other channels too.

They do need to work on getting SPEED onto all cable systems. I thought Fox and Nascar would make that happen but it seems to have plateaued

[RTKar]

CBS and Speed?

Interesting. Some serious sponsors must be lining up to bankroll the time buy on CBS, though having network visibility is the "greens fee" of getting top sponsors. Kinda a chicken and egg deal.

And what happened to the whole lifestyle marketing to be associated with Spike? I hope that doesn't get lost. Not that I bought into too much of it, but CCWS desparately needs to forge and broadcast its own identity separate from the NECKCAR crowd.


Since I see little if any marketing at all, it doesn't surprise me another promise of big things...lifestyle marketing, came to nought.

I get the feeling there is a certain amount of "chicken and egg thing" going on. Broadcasts on Speed are a situation of preaching to the choir so to speak. Network broadcasts would hopefully give the races a better lead in audience and possibly people tuning in early to watch whatever comes after the race, however we'll probably be back to the situation of hurried post race interviews and "joined in progress" starts. All in all, live network broadcasts would be much preferrable. Champcar would be exposed to a broader demographic, however with todays TV audience having quick fingers on the remote, frequent lengthy yellows will do nothing to enhance viewership no matter how or when the races are shown.

[Sean O'Gorman]

Since I see little if any marketing at all, it doesn't surprise me another promise of big things...lifestyle marketing, came to nought.

:laugh: @ lifestyle marketing. What lifestyle? Does Champ Car even have a defined demographic? Hardcores like us who never go away don't count.

[RTKar]

:laugh: @ lifestyle marketing. What lifestyle? Does Champ Car even have a defined demographic? Hardcores like us who never go away don't count.


This old guys Champcar lifestyle is sitting in turn 3 at Milwaukee on a nice sunny day watching practice and quals sipping a few beers.... :cool:...no marketing needed.

[Lizzerd]

This old guys Champcar lifestyle is sitting in turn 3 at Milwaukee on a nice sunny day watching practice and quals sipping a few beers.... :cool:...no marketing needed.

And this old guy's Champcar lifestyle is camping in a tent at a race track, cooking most of my own food, drinking beer, and hanging around a campfire at night with a bunch of other people doing the same, but who could afford a hotel room, rental car, and airline ticket if we wanted to. But, that's just me.

(Check out the subtle dig at RTKar...) :D :D

[RTKar]

And this old guy's Champcar lifestyle is camping in a tent at a race track, cooking most of my own food, drinking beer, and hanging around a campfire at night with a bunch of other people doing the same, but who could afford a hotel room, rental car, and airline ticket if we wanted to. But, that's just me.

(Check out the subtle dig at RTKar...) :D :D

You're killin' me Lizz, .... (no airline tickets or rental cars here)...I don't know if I'd be accepted in such an elite group of revelers... :D

(maybe get me one of them swanky motorhomes...now that's campin' :rofl: )

[Sean O'Gorman]

This Champ Car fan's lifestyle is getting drunk and passing out at my campsite face first in a bag of potato chips.

Oh wait, that's Rahalnut! :laugh:

[Methanolandbrats]

Its good but that would mean the rest of the season will be on SPEED. I dont think its a good move. Not nearly as many people get SPEED as say SPIKE does. I know I dont in my dorm room. Yes, but I stumbled onto Spike tonight and they had Wrestling on. Hmmmm.......leads me to believe most regular Spike Viewers may be somewhat IQ challenged and not likely to appreciate the finer points of Champcar Racing. Figure eight school bus racing is more suited to Spike's demographic.

[Cart Champion]

One of the biggest problems CCWS is that the fan demographic is changing, young race fans are bombarded with NASCAR race coverage and the sponsors that are "sponsors of NASCAR".

Promotion is one of CCWS's problems, getting people interested into checking out the race. I'm sure NASCAR promotes the hell out of itself.

Heres a question how many of these NASCAR fans are racing fans or are they there to watch the "big crash"?

Its a shame to lose historic venues, I'd prefer to keep CCWS a mainly North-american based series, but OW racing is losing ground in the US.

It might not matter what PG, KK, GF do. OW racing is in trouble........even the fabled indy 500 is a shadow of its former self, but if OW racing can promote itself better they might have a chance to keep their niche.

Natural terrain road courses like RA and MO are better than an oval overseas......bar none.


Meanwhile we should be thankful there is a schedule to talk about, even if it may not be 100% complete and secure.

At least there will be ChampCar races in 2005.

[BNica]

Besides Speed getting paid, I am wondering if their hooking up again with CCWS has something to do with how well F1 ratings have been this year? With this kind of road racing-oriented crowd viewing the station, some fans might be willing to tune into CCWS.

Good move on the Speed/CBS thing though!


As far as Road America, I truly hope it remains on the schedule. I think there is enough of a hardcore base to build on to make it grow.

What the series needs more of, is sponsors so they can pump some money into the actual races. .

[JohnHKart]

I wonder if we get qualifying broadcasts again? One thing I liked was having the broadcasts always at 4 PM on a Sunday....I always knew when to set the VCR....didn't care if it was live or not as I watch all racing on tape anyway.

John

[G.]

One of the biggest problems CCWS is that the fan demographic is changing, young race fans are bombarded with NASCAR race coverage and the sponsors that are "sponsors of NASCAR".
Maybe PT needs to grow a "soul patch". :gomer: Fo shizzle.

Seriously, this is one reason that I had some high hopes with the Motorock concept. And Dangerous Curves. And the video voting thing.

[jonovision_man]

Maybe PT needs to grow a "soul patch". :gomer: Fo shizzle.

Seriously, this is one reason that I had some high hopes with the Motorock concept. And Dangerous Curves. And the video voting thing.

The Motorock concept might have appealed to kids of Gentilozzi's generation, but not today's. It's all about video games and reality TV, seems like watching sports is becoming less cool, prentending your really playing them on an X-box console the replacement.

jono

[Tim]

This Champ Car fan's lifestyle is getting drunk and passing out at my campsite face first in a bag of potato chips.

Oh wait, that's Rahalnut! :laugh:

It's called wanting to sleep under the stars idiot. :D

[Sean O'Gorman]

The Motorock concept might have appealed to kids of Gentilozzi's generation, but not today's. It's all about video games and reality TV, seems like watching sports is becoming less cool, prentending your really playing them on an X-box console the replacement.

jono

Motorock would never work because

1) it is a distraction from the actual product, and

2) most of my generation is too high to pay attention to something for more than five minutes anyway, why give them an alternative thing to watch while already at the event?

[Methanolandbrats]

Motorock would never work because

1) it is a distraction from the actual product, and

2) most of my generation is too high to pay attention to something for more than five minutes anyway, why give them an alternative thing to watch while already at the event? Is'nt the MTV Generation attention span more like 1/10 sec, the result of watching 100s of hours of "videos"?

[Sean O'Gorman]

Probably. From what I understand, MTV doesn't even show videos anymore, aside from 45 seconds or so of the most requested songs on TRL. :saywhat:

[Ankf00]

Motorock would never work because

1) it is a distraction from the actual product, and

2) most of my generation is too high to pay attention to something for more than five minutes anyway, why give them an alternative thing to watch while already at the event?

motocrock was a worthless gimmick of the highest order

[jonovision_man]

Motorock would never work because

1) it is a distraction from the actual product, and

2) most of my generation is too high to pay attention to something for more than five minutes anyway, why give them an alternative thing to watch while already at the event?

Not sure which generation you're part of :)

I'm not quite 30 but I work at a college, and there's a generation gap between my generation and the students you could drive a truck through... my generation dabbled in drugs and sex, the current college kids seem immersed in it. Sounds like a hoot. ;) When I was a kid playing video games was geeky and made it likely you would get the snot beat out of you, now every kid plays them.

Maybe the CCWS guys need a 19 year old on staff to tell them how full of s**** they are. :)

jono

[Sean O'Gorman]

Maybe the CCWS guys need a 19 year old on staff to tell them how full of s**** they are. :)

<-----------would be perfect to get Champ Car back in shape. ;)

When I started college, I picked marketing as my major because I thought if I worked in racing it would be a good fit. Now I wouldn't want anything to do with motorsports.