Old Stuff To Relieve The Off Season Boredom

[pchall]

Check out this. What might be the earliest full monocoque single-seater racing car. The 1950 Trimax F3. This car was built before anyone, even Colin Chapman, had built a fully triangulated space frame car using what was 30s aircraft technology. But then, the monocoque was used in the 1912 Deperdussin racing plane and in many Albatross fighter planes in WWI.

http://www.race-cars.com/carsales/other/1053554456/1053554456pa.jpg

The internet has "everything" -- your job is to find cool and interesting old racing stuff to add to this series of threads.

[JLMannin]

Google is cool. USAC's last year of racing at tracks other than Indy (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://webpages.charter.net/lnowak/Pocono81-4.jpg&imgrefurl=http://webpages.charter.net/lnowak/pocono81.htm&h=211&w=550&sz=31&tbnid=BxrcSZfM94IJ:&tbnh=49&tbnw=127&start=15&prev=/images%3Fq%3Droger%2Brager%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa% 3DN)

The infamous mix of gold crown and silver crown cars.

[pchall]

Google is cool.

The infamous mix of gold crown and silver crown cars.

Sammich whipping up on some serious competition for his last single-seater win!


http://webpages.charter.net/lnowak/Pocono81-8.jpg

[Railbird]

Good find pchall


http://www.ohtm.org/deperd.jpeg

The plywood, silk, and glue monocoque fuselage made the Deperdussin an airplane ahead of its time. With its twin-row, 14-cylinder engine, this plane was the first of the so-called “flying engines” culminating in the racers of the late 1930s. In 1913 it won the prized Gordon Bennett trophy at 126.7 mph. Similar construction was used for Lockheeds of the 1930s, and for World War II Mosquitoes.

[Railbird]

http://www.jochen-rindt.at/Lotus_F_1/69za02x_Rindt_Lotus_49B.JPG

speaking of winged things here's Rindt at Kyalami in '69

[Cam]

http://www.jochen-rindt.at/Lotus_F_1/69za02x_Rindt_Lotus_49B.JPG

speaking of winged things here's Rindt at Kyalami in '69

WTF were they thinking?!?!?! :eek:

[Railbird]

Well I would imagine that ol' Jochen was thinking 'when's this bloody thing gonna break?'

Notice that those wing supports are mounted to the hubs rather than the chassis itself. Great for springing the car softly while still reaping the benefits of downforce, not so great for reliability.

[pchall]

Notice that those wing supports are mounted to the hubs rather than the chassis itself. Great for springing the car softly while still reaping the benefits of downforce, not so great for reliability.

Chaparral also tied the struts to the hub on the 2G and 2F, but never suffered a strut failure since they were more substantial than the matchsticks used by Lotus. Their problem was sticking hydraulic actuators which were also set to fail to full downforce mode. CABC, on the otherhand, used bungee cord and pull cables for the Lotus 49C in the best tradition of English WWI aircraft technology.

[pchall]

Good find pchall


http://www.ohtm.org/deperd.jpeg

The plywood, silk, and glue monocoque fuselage made the Deperdussin an airplane ahead of its time. With its twin-row, 14-cylinder engine, this plane was the first of the so-called “flying engines” culminating in the racers of the late 1930s. In 1913 it won the prized Gordon Bennett trophy at 126.7 mph. Similar construction was used for Lockheeds of the 1930s, and for World War II Mosquitoes.

I bet that is the reproduction that flies out of the Old Rhinebeck Aerodrome, right?

From what I have read, the wood and fabric were laid up on a concrete buck and bonded with casein glue. This is basically the same method used with fiberglass cloth and epoxy resin in the Chaparral 2, just with different materials and no heat curing.

[Railbird]

How about Indy's first offset racer?

Most armchair experts would think the Kurtis Fuel Injection spl was first but that wasn't even Kurtis's first. The Ross Page Offy predated it by four years. Of course ol' Frank did offset that offy to the wrong side.

Twenty years before that Jules Moriceau entered one of these little beauties:

http://www.autogallery.org.ru/k/a/27amiMCO.jpg

http://www.autogallery.org.ru/k/a/27amiMCq.jpg

Amilcar MCO with 1270cc qualed 15th in the '29 grid filled with 1.5 litre cars. Crashed out on lap 30 after steering failure.

[racer2c]

Great idea pchall. I've been meaning to share this and now here's the thread to do it in.

I thought this was a great little gem when I found it in the basement of an old antique store downtown. Cost me a quarter. I got this back in '94 when Indy was Indy and I bought things related to the race.

It's a postcard from the Speedway sent May 24, 1958 to Dell, Ruth and Bud from what I think is the name Ed. He writes; "Watching the trial runs - the city is beautifully decorated with flowers, plants. They really are going out for it this year. Ed"

http://members.cox.net/34onyx/postcard1.gif

http://members.cox.net/34onyx/postcard2.gif

[JoeBob]

http://www.group7.suite.dk/assets/images/Hulme-monza-1.jpg

(more stuff here: http://www.group7.suite.dk )

[Railbird]

2c, that's a cool post card.

Look at the lower right and you can see the original 16th Street Speedway.

[cart7]

Hmm. Don't know what year that postcard photo was shot but I thought those houses and subdivisions west of Georgetown predated 1958. I guess not according to that photo.

[pchall]

I can see BiF's trailer from here! :gomer:

http://members.cox.net/34onyx/postcard1.gif

[Methanolandbrats]

Here's some old stuff that would get ya through the off season

http://www.aloha.net/~mahalo/charo/charomike.gif

[SteveH]

[QUOTE=pchall]I can see BiF's trailer from here! :gomer:


Are you sure that's not Al Jr's? :gomer:

[Railbird]

You can see my uncle Joe Dunn's trailor park from there.

[pchall]

[QUOTE=pchall]I can see BiF's trailer from here! :gomer:
Are you sure that's not Al Jr's? :gomer:

Yes, I know it is BiF's ancestral home 'cause I spotted BiF, Sr.'s 1955 Nash Metropolitan up on blocks in front of it!


http://www.physics.ucsb.edu/~airboy/ourmet_low.jpg

[Railbird]

Uncle Joe was a Kaiser kind of guy.


http://www.cojoweb.com/1951_Kaiser_Deluxe_x4x6WFb.jpg

[Racewriter]

http://latemodelnews.tripod.com/098981e0.jpg

This car was what finally got the late model sanctioning bodies to write some body rules. This is Charlie Swartz at the '83 World 100...

[Tim]

The old tripod special. What an awesome car. :D

[Cam]

The old tripod special. What an awesome car. :D

Hey don't knock it! I always see lots of fans of tripods in the paddock! :D

[SteveH]

I think this is a Tripod Special, if I'm not mistaken.

http://store1.yimg.com/I/motolit_1813_409342555

[Sean O'Gorman]

http://latemodelnews.tripod.com/098981e0.jpg

This car was what finally got the late model sanctioning bodies to write some body rules. This is Charlie Swartz at the '83 World 100...

Wow, it looks like a doorstop with a head popping out. That's pretty radical looking.

[SteveH]

How about this 'special'

http://users.pandora.be/aerogi/Racing/Other%20pictures/Other_pics/Ferrari%20Indy_01.jpg

[chop456]

The Ferrari ChampCar?

[Railbird]

In leu of today's news:

http://www.f1-grandprix.com/photos/zandvoort67-2.jpg

The great Jim Clark gives Cosworth it's first F1 victory

[Sean O'Gorman]

Isn't this the Ferrari Indy car?

http://www.atlasf1.com/99/bra/preview/Ferr10.jpg

[Racewriter]

Forgot about the Tripod BS.

http://www.mrmracing.net/tribute/charlieswartz.jpg

Same car, with less radical spoiler sideboards and a roof.

[Jervis Tetch 1]

Here's some old stuff that would get ya through the off season

http://www.aloha.net/~mahalo/charo/charomike.gifThe "Coochie, Coochie Girl"

Do any of you know she is considered one of the BEST Flamenco guitar players in the world?!?!? :eek: No foolin'!

It's true. She studied under Segovia--one of the all-time greats so Charo could be considered up there with Eddie, Jimi and Chet Atkins :eek:

Saw her in Hawaii and by golly it was an entertaining show.

[pchall]

The "Coochie, Coochie Girl"

Do any of you know she is considered one of the BEST Flamenco guitar players in the world?!?!? :eek: No foolin'!

It's true. She studied under Segovia--one of the all-time greats so Charo could be considered up there with Eddie, Jimi and Chet Atkins :eek:

Saw her in Hawaii and by golly it was an entertaining show.

And I thought she was just an adornment (aka bling,bling) to Xavier Cugat's orchestra when she was already over-ripe in the 60s.

[pchall]

Forgot about the Tripod BS.

http://www.mrmracing.net/tribute/charlieswartz.jpg

Same car, with less radical spoiler sideboards and a roof.

Hmmm.... Chaparral 2Hminus there... ;)

Nice to see the supermodified guys out-thinking the sactioners there.

[RichK]

Forgot about the Tripod BS.

http://www.mrmracing.net/tribute/charlieswartz.jpg

Same car, with less radical spoiler sideboards and a roof.

I can't imagine racing that thing with other cars on the track....just knowing where the bodywork stops and unspoken-for space begins would be a challenge!

[Hot Rod Otis]

The Ferrari ChampCar?

Thats an 85 March. Looks like Michele Alboreto at the wheel, so I'm guessing its a Ferrari Champcar test mule.