Gasp! Say it isn't so!

[rabbit]

http://f1.racing-live.com/photos/imgactu/05/massa-sakhir-wri_010405_220x148.jpg
Massa having brake difficulties?!?! It surely must be JV's fault!

[Dr. Corkski]

And he still goes half a sec faster than Jesus Villeneuve. :gomer:

[racer2c]

Anything past 15 place and it doesn't matter, you suck. They suck. It's gotta be the drivers!

[chop456]

And as we all know, beating your teammate isn't important.

As long as Jacques continues to be owned in every session, he's one stroke of the pen away from unemployment. I bet Massa even eats faster.

[chop456]

Australia:


1st practice
F.MASSA SAUBER PETRONAS 1'27"971 + 0'02"004
J.VILLENEUVE SAUBER PETRONAS 1'29"332 + 0'03"365

2nd practice
06 F.MASSA SAUBER PETRONAS 1'26"357 + 0'00"981
16 J.VILLENEUVE SAUBER PETRONAS 1'27"513 + 0'02"137

3rd practice
No times for Sauber

4th practice
14 F.MASSA SAUBER PETRONAS 1'31"736 + 0'04"439
15 J.VILLENEUVE SAUBER PETRONAS 1'34"031 + 0'06"734

Qualifying1
04 J.VILLENEUVE SAUBER PETRONAS 1'36"984 + 0'03"813
Massa: No Time (Rain)

Qualifying2
08 J.VILLENEUVE SAUBER PETRONAS 1'29"862 + 0'01"583
Massa: No Time

Massa starts 18th and finishes 10th.
Villeneuve starts 4th and finishes 13th.




Malaysia

1st practice
09 F.MASSA SAUBER PETRONAS 1'36"963 + 0'02"871
16 J.VILLENEUVE SAUBER PETRONAS 1'38"416 + 0'04"324

2nd practice
01 F.MASSA SAUBER PETRONAS 1'35"608 208.715 Km/h
18 J.VILLENEUVE SAUBER PETRONAS 1'38"121 + 0'02"513

3rd practice
13 F.MASSA SAUBER PETRONAS 1'36"987 + 0'02"272
16 J.VILLENEUVE SAUBER PETRONAS 1'37"204 + 0'02"489

4th practice
13 F.MASSA SAUBER PETRONAS 1'34"002 + 0'01"170
15 J.VILLENEUVE SAUBER PETRONAS 1'35"532 + 0'02"700

Qualifying1
13 F.MASSA SAUBER PETRONAS 1'34"151 + 0'01"569
16 J.VILLENEUVE SAUBER PETRONAS 1'34"887 + 0'02"305


Qualifying2

15 F.MASSA SAUBER PETRONAS 1'37"733 + 0'02"643
16 J.VILLENEUVE SAUBER PETRONAS 1'38"108 + 0'03"018

Race:

Massa starts 14th and finishes 10th.

Villeneuve starts 16th, beaches it and finishes 17th.




Bahrain

1st practice
14. 12 MASSA Sauber Petronas M 1'35"531 + 0'04"082
17. 11 VILLENEUVE Sauber Petronas M 1'37"112 + 0'05"663

2nd practice
17. 12 MASSA Sauber Petronas M 1'33"726 + 0'03"031
20. 11 VILLENEUVE Sauber Petronas M 1'34"300 + 0'03"605

3rd practice
14. 12 MASSA Sauber Petronas M 1'34"232 + 0'03"680
16. 11 VILLENEUVE Sauber Petronas M 1'35"464 + 0'04"912


Feel free to update this if Jacques manages to beat Massa at anything for the remainder of the weekend.

[devilmaster]

Feel free to update this if Jacques manages to beat Massa at anything for the remainder of the weekend.

He'll beat him to the unemployment line.....

[NismoZ]

So, where's all those JV to CC rumors? No need for unemployment when Team Jensen says they're bringing over "guys with F-1 experience". NOW we know what they were talking about! :eek:

[JT265]

So, where's all those JV to CC rumors? No need for unemployment when Team Jensen says they're bringing over "guys with F-1 experience". NOW we know what they were talking about! :eek:


Or maybe not. ;)

[racer2c]

Holy s****, Massa broke in to the top 15. He's the next SENNA!!!!

[Dirty Sanchez]

Villeneuve should stick to thumb racing on the PS2. :gomer:

[ilferrari]

"A very disappointing qualifying, after the progress we made this morning. The car was going a lot better for me then than at the previous races, but I picked up a lot of understeer on my qualifying lap and couldn't complete it without going wide in the last corner. Like I said, very disappointing."

See, he has a good reason to explain this. Don;t you haters go laying into Jacques any more :cry:

[racer2c]

See, he has a good reason to explain this. Don;t you haters go laying into Jacques any more :cry:

So what's Massa's excuse?

[Fried]

jeezus, enough of this. :shakehead pack it in, jv. this is an extremely undignified end to a good career.

[Ankf00]

if by good career you mean an excellent 2 years in the best piece of machinery on the grid then loads and loads of tooling around the back of the pack, then yes, an excellent F1 career ;)

[chop456]

Holy s****, Massa broke in to the top 15. He's the next SENNA!!!!

Must be! How else can you possibly explain his ability to dominate a former WDC in testing, 12 straight practice sessions sessions and 2 races?

Unless Villeneuve just really sucks.

BTW, how's that crappy Toyota team doing? :laugh:

[racer2c]

Must be! How else can you possibly explain his ability to dominate a former WDC in testing, 12 straight practice sessions sessions and 2 races?

Unless Villeneuve just really sucks.

BTW, how's that crappy Toyota team doing? :laugh:

Ralph in 11 with his team mate in 2. Hmm Ralph sucks too.

hey, hatin' on the back markers is fun!

[chop456]

Ralph in 11 with his team mate in 2. Hmm Ralph sucks too.


After RalF is slower in 12 consecutive sessions, I think we can all say that he sucks in comparison to Trulli, yes.

[Sean O'Gorman]

This forum should really have a mercy rule so r2c doesn't get himself in any deepr. :lol:

[dando]

This forum should really have a mercy rule so r2c doesn't get himself in any deepr. :lol:
Kettle? This is SOG... :gomer:

-Kevin

[Sean O'Gorman]

My arguments are always right because they are about opinions (such as Grand-Am is good, overseas races are bad), not facts (JV > Massa, da Matta > teammate).

[racer2c]

My arguments are always right because they are about opinions (such as Grand-Am is good, overseas races are bad), not facts (JV > Massa, da Matta > teammate).

Fact > JV World Driver Champion
Fact > JV CART Champion
Fact > JV Indy 500 Champion

No matter how hard the haters pray to the hate god, you can never take those things away from him. What have you accomplished?

Fact> Massa 14th.
Opinion> Sauber sucks.

What's wrong Crapus, JV wouldn't pause for a picture? :gomer:

[racer2c]

After RalF is slower in 12 consecutive sessions, I think we can all say that he sucks in comparison to Trulli, yes.

It's all about the hate. :gomer:

[Dirty Sanchez]

oh yeah, the resume again :rolleyes:

welcome to the 21st century. newtown sucks :thumbup:

[racer2c]

oh yeah, the resume again :rolleyes:

welcome to the 21st century. newtown sucks :thumbup:

Accomplishments mean nothing! Shumey should know. :gomer:

I can't wait until JV wresting that POS into 14th spot too. That'll be GRAND!

[Ankf00]

Fact > JV World Driver Champion
Fact > JV CART Champion
Fact > JV Indy 500 Champion

No matter how hard the haters pray to the hate god, you can never take those things away from him. What have you accomplished?

Fact> Massa 14th.
Opinion> Sauber sucks.

What's wrong Crapus, JV wouldn't pause for a picture? :gomer:
1994 1995 1997...

it's a decade later

can you say "washed up?"

[racer2c]

1994 1995 1997...

it's a decade later

can you say "washed up?"

Sure I can. His results speak for themselves. Now, I understand that you were running around in Teenage Mutant Ninja underroos when JV was at his peak and missed all the fun, I'm simply defending an ex Champ that I cheered for for many years. You can't take away what he accomplished, no matter how much Crapus tries (for some odd reason. I guess JV took his favorite ride buyers seat).
Also, Massa in 10th tells me one thing. The car is a pig.

[Ankf00]

no, i saw all that he accomplished, which was a decade ago no matter what you say about it, it's still a decade old. make all the remarks you want, nineteen ninety freaking five. first it's the engine, then the car, then david richards, then button getting better equipment, all the while he was CERTAINLY going to williams or renault because Head and Briatore rate him highly, yet here he is at sauber maintaining his streak of suck. He has YET to put massa in his place. If you want to make an apt analogy of JesusV's accomplishments, lets see what Kimi, Massa, Alonoso would accomplish in a Ferrari, the technical dominance is almost on par with JesusV's circumstances.

despite all the hype and insistances that he's going to come raging back he's accomplished no more than James Hunt. 1 title. uno, ehk, un. Difference is Hunt was able to win with more than 1 team, and won races in a span greater than that of 2 years. So I'd say Hunt accomplished more than JV. If his father hadn't made his name for him, JesusV would be just another soul in F1, cept he's a cut above Coulthard ;).

[racer2c]

no, i saw all that he accomplished, which was a decade ago no matter what you say about it, it's still a decade old. make all the remarks you want, nineteen ninety freaking five. first it's the engine, then the car, then david richards, then button getting better equipment, all the while he was CERTAINLY going to williams or renault because Head and Briatore rate him highly, yet here he is at sauber maintaining his streak of suck. He has YET to put massa in his place. If you want to make an apt analogy of JesusV's accomplishments, lets see what Kimi, Massa, Alonoso would accomplish in a Ferrari, the technical dominance is almost on par with JesusV's circumstances.

despite all the hype and insistances that he's going to come raging back he's accomplished no more than James Hunt. 1 title. uno, ehk, un. Difference is Hunt was able to win with more than 1 team, and won races in a span greater than that of 2 years. So I'd say Hunt accomplished more than JV. If his father hadn't made his name for him, JesusV would be just another soul in F1, cept he's a cut above Coulthard ;).

:shakehead

So his CART title means nothing? His Indy win means nothing in a pre-split race?

Grow up.

It's the longest season in F1 history. We'll see how it goes.

[Dr. Corkski]

:shakehead

So his CART title means nothing? His Indy win means nothing in a pre-split race?

Grow up.

It's the longest season in F1 history. We'll see how it goes.Michael Andretti accomplished a lot as a driver too. Don't mean $*** now. :gomer:

[racer2c]

Michael Andretti accomplished a lot as a driver too. Don't mean $*** now. :gomer:

So neither does Senna, Prost, Fangio, Lauda, Hakkinen, Mansell etc. :shakehead

I missed Mikeys F1 championship. What year was that? :gomer:

[Ankf00]

:shakehead

So his CART title means nothing? His Indy win means nothing in a pre-split race?

Grow up.

It's the longest season in F1 history. We'll see how it goes.

no one's said that, all anyone's said is that he sucks NOW. that and his accomplishments can be claimed by every other CART champ, every other F1 champ, and every other 500 winner. Difference is there's many folks who won any of those titles multiple times, proving their ability to last.



:rofl: JesusV isn't even in the same league as any of those champs you listed, those guys won championshipS. please. mansell, prost, senna, fangio, :rofl:

[Dr. Corkski]

So neither does Senna, Prost, Fangio, Lauda, Hakkinen, Mansell etc. :shakeheadHow many of those are driving a F1 car in Bahrain this weekend? :gomer:

[racer2c]

no one's said that, all anyone's said is that he sucks NOW. that and his accomplishments can be claimed by every other CART champ, every other F1 champ, and every other 500 winner. Difference is there's many folks who won any of those titles multiple times, proving their ability to last.



:rofl: JesusV isn't even in the same league as any of those champs you listed, those guys won championshipS. please. mansell, prost, senna, fangio, :rofl:

Oh my god. Smoke some more crack. First, you were the one trivializing JV's championship by saying it only happened because he was in the best car of the year. Second, now you are saying that you have to win more than one championship to be worth a damn? :rofl: You should take up bowling. It's more your speed.
My comments about past champions was in reference to Corks ridiculous comment. Not comparing JV to them. Try to keep up.

[Dr. Corkski]

This is one of my favorite quotes of all time:


"Look at (Felipe) Massa this year. He couldn't even go straight in a straight line."
http://www.jv-world.com/EN/Formula_1_2001/Breaking_News/page_21_2872.shtml

[racer2c]

How many of those are driving a F1 car in Bahrain this weekend? :gomer:
:shakehead

I know you've only read about it in books, or googled it prior to your posts, but Prost, Senna and Mansell had miserable last seasons. But yet, JV get's dumped on. Nothing like debating F1 legends with children.

[Dirty Sanchez]

racer2c=craig pollock :gomer:

[racer2c]

racer2c=craig pollock :gomer:

Crapus = Wedding singer. :gomer:

[Dr. Corkski]

:shakehead

I know you've only read about it in books, or googled it prior to your posts, but Prost, Senna and Mansell had miserable last seasons. But yet, JV get's dumped on. Nothing like debating F1 legends with children.Getting desperate now, eh? I grew up watching those three guys race against each other. Chances are I know more about the grid in the late 80s and the early 90s than you will ever do.

Prost won the championship in his last year before retiring. No need to rehash Senna. Even an over the hill Mansell won the last race of the season before his last season.

[Dirty Sanchez]

massa>villeneuve :laugh:

[racer2c]

Getting desperate now, eh? I grew up watching those three guys race against each other. Chances are I know more about the grid in the late 80s and the early 90s than you will ever do.

Prost won the championship in his last year before retiring. No need to rehash Senna. Even an over the hill Mansell won the last race of the season before his last season.

I saw Senna, Prost and Mansell race in person. Yeah, you know more. :shakehead

There's 17 races to go. Allot of time to prove one's self.

Do you guys sell JV Hater club hats? How about a webpage?

[racer2c]

massa>villeneuve :laugh:

Racer2c>Crapus. :D

[Dirty Sanchez]

:thumbup:

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39733000/jpg/_39733121_massa203.jpg

[Dr. Corkski]

I saw Senna, Prost and Mansell race in person. Yeah, you know more. :shakehead

There's 17 races to go. Allot of time to prove one's self.

Do you guys sell JV Hater club hats? How about a webpage?It doesn't matter if you were even in the garages themselves if you were anywhere near as oblivious to reality as you are now.

[Dirty Sanchez]

There's 17 races to go.for most drivers :laugh:

[Railbird]

Jacques was cool when he did what he did, he just no longer does it at that level.

JV and Pollock would do a better job of improving my racing scene by putting together an ALMS effort.

[racer2c]

It doesn't matter if you were even in the garages themselves if you were anywhere near as oblivious to reality as you are now.

Explain my oblivious realtiy. I can't wait?

[Dr. Corkski]

for most drivers :laugh::rofl:

[racer2c]

Jacques was cool when he did what he did, he just no longer does it at that level.

JV and Pollock would do a better job of improving my racing scene by putting togather an ALMS effort.

You always know how to say more with less and I agree with you 100%. :thumbup:

God forbid JV gets hurt this year. I'd hate to see the happy reactions in from the JV Hater Club.

[extramundane]

My arguments are always right because they are about opinions (such as Grand-Am is good, overseas races are bad), not facts (JV > Massa, da Matta > teammate).

Must resist...must resist...

[Ankf00]

Oh my god. Smoke some more crack. First, you were the one trivializing JV's championship by saying it only happened because he was in the best car of the year. Second, now you are saying that you have to win more than one championship to be worth a damn? :rofl: You should take up bowling. It's more your speed.
My comments about past champions was in reference to Corks ridiculous comment. Not comparing JV to them. Try to keep up.


no, you have to actually do more to be worth all this hype TEN YEARS LATER.

and yes, best car on grid.

as for trivialization you're the one ripping on an F3K champ's creds compared to RHR...


and geez guys, I leave for a half hour to cook some veggies and you write up 3 pages!!!

[rabbit]

Mario Andretti's won the Indy 500 one time, in 1969. His lone WDC came in 1978, in the best car on the grid. His only CART championship was in 1984, driving for one of the top teams. He retired 10 years later without winning another title.

So by the JV hataz' reasoning, Mario must have really sucked!

[racer2c]

no, you have to actually do more to be worth all this hype TEN YEARS LATER.

and yes, best car on grid.

as for trivialization you're the one ripping on an F3K champ's creds compared to RHR...


and geez guys, I leave for a half hour to cook some veggies and you write up 3 pages!!!

You're reading comprehension sucks.

[Ankf00]

Mario Andretti's won the Indy 500 one time, in 1969. His lone WDC came in 1978. His only CART championship was in 1984. He retired 10 years later.

So by the above reasoning, does Mario suck too?

mario continued to win regardless of championships, he wasn't tooling around the back of the pack counting benjamins

you also left off daytona ;)

[racer2c]

Mario Andretti's won the Indy 500 one time, in 1969. His lone WDC came in 1978, in the best car on the grid. His only CART championship was in 1984, driving for one of the top teams. He retired 10 years later without winning another title.

So by the JV hataz' reasoning, Mario must have really sucked!

Why bother, they're all sold out of Hater Hats. ;)

[rabbit]

mario continued to win regardless of championships, he wasn't tooling around the back of the pack counting benjamins

you also left off daytona ;)Compare BAR and Newman Haas for me. I'd love to hear this.

[Ankf00]

uh, 1969, 1978, 1984, sounds like a solid FIFTEEN years to me. he didn't quit after year 4 to start collecting paychecks.j

BAR == the suck
Newman Haas == 1993 Mansell title

[racer2c]

mario continued to win regardless of championships, he wasn't tooling around the back of the pack counting benjamins

you also left off daytona ;)

He didn't win a race his last season. And I thought this was a JV hatin' thread. You guys hate so many it's hard to keep up. lease make a seperate haters thread for each driver please. :gomer:

[Ankf00]

JesusV has sucked for years, not just this year, for 4 years, he kicked butt, and I was a fan, then he packed it in, he quit, I'm not a fan of quitters. As a result of him quitting, JesusV's flock denigrates any teammate of his that whups him in a fair fight offering a myriad of excuses. the excuses can be found in the addendum to r2c's JesusV resume via Crapus:D

and you still left off daytona :gomer:

[racer2c]

JesusV has sucked for years, not just this year, for 4 years, he kicked butt, and I was a fan, then he packed it in, he quit, I'm not a fan of quitters.

and you still left off daytona :gomer:

Yeah, a guy who wants to race so bad he offers to race for free is a quitter. Right. :shakehead

[rabbit]

uh, 1969, 1978, 1984, sounds like a solid FIFTEEN years to me. he didn't quit after year 4 to start collecting paychecks.j

BAR == the suck
Newman Haas == 1993 Mansell title
NHR=orange
BAR=rotten apple

Oh, and JV has never raced Daytona. But you young'ns wouldn't know that.

[racer2c]

JesusV has sucked for years, not just this year, for 4 years, he kicked butt, and I was a fan, then he packed it in, he quit, I'm not a fan of quitters. As a result of him quitting, JesusV's flock denigrates any teammate of his that whups him in a fair fight offering a myriad of excuses. the excuses can be found in the addendum to r2c's JesusV resume via Crapus:D

and you still left off daytona :gomer:

Being World Drivers Champion isn't an 'excuse'. What have you done in your life? In your book any single championship winner didn't deserve it. Get a clue kid.

[rabbit]

JesusV has sucked for years, not just this year, for 4 years, he kicked butt, and I was a fan, then he packed it in, he quit, I'm not a fan of quitters.How is taking a risk with a startup team quitting? :confused:

[Ankf00]

Yeah, a guy who wants to race so bad he offers to race for free is a quitter. Right. :shakehead

selling out is quitting.

cheque$$$$$$$$

[rabbit]

selling out is quitting.

cheque$$$$$$$$He was going to get paid no matter where he drove. Former WDCs tend to do well financially.

[Dirty Sanchez]

suzuka 03... caption: "thanks quitter" :laugh:

http://crash.net/pictures/headline/67275.jpg

[Ankf00]

How is taking a risk with a startup team quitting? :confused:

It's not, it's his choice to stick with BAR that was imo

r2c, what's next? the "he has more money than you" line?

[JohnnyQ]

It's to bad JV didn't put as much thought into his career as you guys are. :gomer:

[racer2c]

It's not, it's his choice to stick with BAR that was imo

r2c, what's next? the "he has more money than you" line?

What's next for you, "I hope he dies" That's the vibe I get from you haters. Some former fan you are.

Not once, from you or the ever so eloquent Crapus :rolleyes: has anyone explained your JV hatred. Only flippant little oneliners. Which ride buyer did he beat out that pisses you guys off so much?

BTW, it's 10:30 est on a Saturday night. What are you doing on the Internet? :gomer:

[Dirty Sanchez]

how much suckage will it take for the excuses to stop? that's the only reason I'm in it. :D

oh yeah... and Massa is just a world-beater!!!!! biggie fan! :gomer:

[Ankf00]

What's next for you, "I hope he dies" That's the vibe I get from you haters. Some former fan you are.

:rolleyes:


Not once, from you or the ever so eloquent Crapus :rolleyes: has anyone explained your JV hatred. Only flippant little oneliners. Which ride buyer did he beat out that pisses you guys off so much?
what do you have against Button or Massa? I have nothing against him other than my dislike of him for quitting. His deification is unwarranted imo.


BTW, it's 10:30 est on a Saturday night. What are you doing on the Internet? :gomer:
staying sober for the first time in who knows how long. 9 mo.? and making chili :gomer: it's actually amazing how clean I kept the kitchen this time...

[racer2c]

how much suckage will it take for the excuses to stop? that's the only reason I'm in it. :D

oh yeah... and Massa is just a world-beater!!!!! biggie fan! :gomer:

Point out the excuses big boy.

[Ankf00]

I think I put in too much cayenne and diced serranos :eek:

[Dr. Corkski]

Yeah, a guy who wants to race so bad he offers to race for free is a quitter. Right. :shakeheadHe isn't racing for free. In fact he is getting paid more than the guy who couldn't "drive straight in a straight line", the same guy who can only be slowed down by god himself.

[JT265]

Here's the deal.

The haters say "but he won in the best car!!!" :cry:

And they're right. But then to dwell on that would put at least five of Mickey's championships under review, no?

And R2C, I like the fight you're putting up, and I don't have a problem that he followed the $$$ and the idiot to BAR. Sir Frank crapped a lousy car and is notorious for cheaping out drivers. So far, all good.

And I don't really have a problem when, after four years of increasing suckage he decided to phone it in. Why drive 10/10ths to improve my position from 15th to 13th, even if it means I wax my teamate? WGAF?!?!? (Yeah Crapus, I know, but bear with me, I'm on a roll) :D

And I don't even have a big problem with him flubbing the deal at Renault, although the anti-Jacque$$$$$ brigade woulda fallen silent if he had of pulled off something like a Melbourne '96, for example.

And there may even be something to the brake problems on the Sauber. That being said, he's got about one more race to show me something other than excuses, or he better bone up on 148 different and delicious ways to make poutine in his restaurant. Simple really. He isn't doing anyone any favors hanging out at the back of the grid.

Oh yeah. And Ankster, Mansell only won one WDC.

You're welcome. ;)

[Ankf00]

:p

want some chili? It won't burn, I promise! :gomer:

[JT265]

:p

want some chili? It won't burn, I promise! :gomer:


Gives me gas, and then I won't be able to sleep, so I'll spend most of the night on here arguing salient points about the Prost Senna wars with Corky.

But thanks anyway. :rofl:

[Ankf00]

that just means entertainment for me when I login tomorrow :D

[racer2c]

He isn't racing for free. In fact he is getting paid more than the guy who couldn't "drive straight in a straight line", the same guy who can only be slowed down by god himself.

I was referring to his comments when he was trying to land a ride. Try to keep up.

[Dr. Corkski]

I was referring to his comments when he was trying to land a ride. Try to keep up.He also said he was going to retire if he didn't beat Jensen Timberlake. Guess that worked out about as well as racing for free. :laugh:

[JT265]

He also said he was going to retire if he didn't beat Jensen Timberlake. Guess that worked out about as well as racing for free. :laugh:

He retired at Suzuka '03, didn't he?

<try and keep up> :rofl:

[Dr. Corkski]

<try and keep up> :rofl:Jacques probably hears that all the time nowdays. :gomer:

[JT265]

Jacques probably hears that all the time nowdays. :gomer:


Where do you suppose I got it from?

[racer2c]

He also said he was going to retire if he didn't beat Jensen Timberlake. Guess that worked out about as well as racing for free. :laugh:

So you are going to hate a guy for wanting to race? Some race fan you are. Try to keep up kid.

[Sean O'Gorman]

Must resist...must resist...

:rofl:

[Sean O'Gorman]

Maybe we should just ban all people named Sean from OC, it would seem to be for the best. ;)

[Railbird]

http://www.in.gr/auto/agwnistika/Big/Villeneuve.jpg

oops

[Dirty Sanchez]

more suckage!

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[Sean O'Gorman]

more suckage!

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

But hey, at least the Toyotas and Trulli are sucking too. Oh wait. :laugh:

[JT265]

But hey, at least the Toyotas and Trulli are sucking too. Oh wait. :laugh:

In a pinch, there's always you SeanIE. :D

[Ankf00]

I can outdo jacques on a schwinn :gomer: :D

[racer2c]

Yes. JV sucked again. It will interesting when they show him the door.
He's still a former world Champion though. ;)

I need to find a driver to hate. It seems much more fun than liking one. :)
Oh, never mind, I already hate every IRL driver.

[Racing Truth]

He didn't win a race his last season. And I thought this was a JV hatin' thread. You guys hate so many it's hard to keep up. lease make a seperate haters thread for each driver please. :gomer:

I know, what a wanker. Couldn't win in CART in his 50's.

Yeah, MA=teh suck. :gomer: :shakehead

[racer2c]

I know, what a wanker. Couldn't win in CART in his 50's.

Yeah, MA=teh suck. :gomer: :shakehead

Welcome to yesterday. :gomer:

and Mario was 53 when he won his last race in Phoenix. :gomer:

[chop456]

This just in: Jacques was NOT beaten by his teammate today. :thumbup:

Barcelona - 6/04/05
1. P. de la Rosa - McLaren Mercedes - 1'14"391 (+0"000) - 88 laps
2. R. Zonta - Toyota - 1'14"516 (+0"125) - 65 laps
3. F. Alonso - Renault - 1'14"946 (+0"555) - 118 laps
4. A. Wurz - McLaren Mercedes - 1'15"178 (+0"787) - 65 laps
5. N. Heidfeld - BMW Williams - 1'15"337 (+0"946) - 123 laps
6. A. Pizzonia - BMW Williams - 1'15"442 (+1"051) - 54 laps
7. G. Fisichella - Renault - 1'15"462 (+1"071) - 78 laps
8. A. Davidson - BAR Honda - 1'15"500 (+1"109) - 143 laps
9. M. Gene - Ferrari - 1'15"737 (+1"346) - 120 laps
10. J. Button - BAR Honda - 1'16"137 (+1"746) - 109 laps
11. D. Coulthard - Red Bull Cosworth - 1'16"385 (+1"994) - 111 laps
12. O. Panis - Toyota - 1'17"153 (+2"762) - 47 laps
13. J. Villeneuve - Sauber Petronas - 1'18"096 (+3"705) - 74 laps



:gomer:

[jonovision_man]

Peter Sauber in Bahrain.


"It always strikes me how short the memory of some people is," added Sauber. "Jacques drove fastest laps in winter time with our C23, also on a wet track which is not really the strength of the Canadian. Do the critics really think that suddenly Jacques has lost his capabilities?

"Of course, we were disappointed with his performances, but even more so he is himself. In Bahrain we saw an upwards trend, and as long as we are not in the position to let him test more often and to adapt better to the car, it would not be the right time to blame him.

"He needs a car with more downforce, our car is lacking in that area. A part of the problem might be that he likes to go his own way with the setup, but the new rules demand a much tighter window in which you can operate. There are many more restrictions regarding aerodynamics and tyres.

"It did also not help that you have to be easy on your engine during free practice because it must last two events. Jacques needs every lap he can get."

It sounds like Peter is standing behind him...

But then today they end his test after 1 nightmare day, with brake failure, handling problems, electronics... they pull the plug on his test:

http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=32501

So WTF.

jono

[rabbit]

I have often wondered how much the current generation F1 car has affected JV's career. He was one of the most vocal critics when F1 went to the narrower track cars in 98 or 99. He compared them to driving a Formula Ford. I know alot of other factors are involved: the Williams lemon, BAR's ineptitude, etc. But Jacques has struggled ever since they went to this bastardized car. That said, I still feel he has the goods to be a top-level driver in F1. He just needs a driveable car.

[ilferrari]

Yes, I think Villeneuve's driving style suited the real F1 cars in the mid 90's rather than Mosley's skinny grooved tire cars.

Villeneuve at Barcelona:


"It was exciting to finally get testing as we had been wanting to work on the car set-up and experiment some new ideas since the Melbourne race. Having had poor winter testing and no testing since the start of the season, Barcelona was an important test for us.

“Out of the three days planned, I was supposed to drive the first two, allowing us a fair amount of time as there also was a lot a team specific tests to be done on the car.

“Unfortunately, my engineer and myself did not manage do get through our set-up program and development of new ideas as I suffered a brake failure in the first morning run. The brake pedal went all the way down without actually having the wheels brake - a very rare occurrence but very dangerous. We took all the necessary time to check everything before going out again, loosing a valuable half day on the track.

“At this point, with the few hours remaining we judged the "team specific work" a priority (even though we did not have the right set- up or car balance at the time) and we would use the 2nd day to concentrate on speed and set-up related work. We also decided to spend the rest of the day on old tyres, saving the new ones for day two of our test.

“The Team then decided at the end of the day (yesterday) to change the testing plan: I was told that it has been predicted bad weather and a lot of rain on Friday, so the team changed the running schedule to allow Felipe to drive on the dry today. Therefore, we did not get the chance to focus on all the set-up work needed in preparation for Imola. It’s a shame as new tyres, different fuel loads and a more rubbered track on the second day of the test would have been faster and closer conditions to what the Barcelona race week-end will be.

“I am sure this situation will fire on a new set of rumours but we are used to them and it certainly won't affect our work. At this time we are trying our hardest to get the car on the pace which has been a disappointment to us all so far.

Sadly, Imola will be a continuation of the first three races instead of getting the step-up we were expecting after a productive test. Another disappointment adding up to the one following Bahrain last weekend where with Gian-Paolo, my engineer, and I started to understand the car better. But hopefully the next test in Fiorano will enable us to concentrate on our work.”

[cart7]

It's good to see all the hate being expended in this thread. Now that everyones blown off some steam courtesy of JV, how about a nice civil GA thread? :gomer:

[racer2c]

I have often wondered how much the current generation F1 car has affected JV's career. He was one of the most vocal critics when F1 went to the narrower track cars in 98 or 99. He compared them to driving a Formula Ford. I know alot of other factors are involved: the Williams lemon, BAR's ineptitude, etc. But Jacques has struggled ever since they went to this bastardized car. That said, I still feel he has the goods to be a top-level driver in F1. He just needs a driveable car.

Zanrdi also said he could never come to grips with the grooved tires.
I don't know if JV has 'lost it' or not, but one thing is certain, his car is a pig and Sauber practically acknowledges it. JV has been citing brake problems since Australia. It's hard to have confidence in a race car if the brakes don't work.

[jonovision_man]

Zanrdi also said he could never come to grips with the grooved tires.
I don't know if JV has 'lost it' or not, but one thing is certain, his car is a pig and Sauber practically acknowledges it. JV has been citing brake problems since Australia. It's hard to have confidence in a race car if the brakes don't work.

Even when the car's a pig, you need to out-shine your teammate. Especially when you're a WDC and he's pretty green without much buzz around him.

The question that remains IMO is whether the lack of pace is due to the lack of car time or not.

If he gets the car time and still can't consistently beat Massa on the weekends, then he's done. But to date that hasn't happenned, and as long as Peter Sauber says that's the main issue, I'll give Jacques a chance.

jono