20,000 grandstand seats at San Jose

[Dr. Corkski]

They're claiming 195 mph down into the hairpin. Besides if they go too fast past my seat, my disposable camera won't work.You should be saving your camera for the highly anticipated main event, formula douche, err, drift. :gomer:

[Racing Truth]

You should be saving your camera for the highly anticipated main event, formula douche, err, drift. :gomer:

Hater.

:laugh:

[JT265]

I'm sure thousands of N. American fans will flock to Ansan. :gomer:


And I'm sure they won't. But I'm relatively sure that like OZ, CCWS will score a large check to go there. That being said, understand that I can't come close to the synapses fired by the bulk of this august body, yourself included, so I propose this:

Why don't you organize a quorum to solve all of Champ Cars ills, we can have it presented to Kalkhoven at your earlier convenience, and the skies the limit on what your people can rake in by selling this info to CCWS.

That way, everyone wins.

[skaven]

Why don't you organize a quorum to solve all of Champ Cars ills, we can have it presented to Kalkhoven at your earlier convenience...

Not sure why we have to invoke the Koran, but nonetheless, it seems we are only happy when KK writes a big check. ;)

The solution might be:


buy Road America
buy Mid Ohio
buy Ilmore
buy IMS
buy Danicle's contract
buy Shumi's contract
buy Jeff Gordon's contract
buy Ferrari
buy Spa
buy Road Atlanta
buy ESPN
buy Bernie's TV production crew
buy buy buy...


Seriously, if they have a couple of races that actually make money that I can't go to, I'm not going to complain.

[mueber]

Not sure why we have to invoke the Koran, but nonetheless, it seems we are only happy when KK writes a big check. ;)

The solution might be:


buy Road America
buy Mid Ohio
buy Ilmore
buy IMS
buy Danicle's contract
buy Shumi's contract
buy Jeff Gordon's contract
buy Ferrari
buy Spa
buy Road Atlanta
buy ESPN
buy Bernie's TV production crew
buy buy buy...


Seriously, if they have a couple of races that actually make money that I can't go to, I'm not going to complain.

Bless you.

The twenty-five posters at Track Forum aren’t the only folks living in the past. How much more money do you the rest of you expect KK and GF to send on races that are proven losers before they try something new?

The salad days are over, and they won’t be back anytime soon. The problem is that Champ Car and the IRL are competing in a market that can’t support either one of them, much less both. The choices are to die and leave it to Tony George or try something new, and I for one am grateful for any Boy George alternative I can get.

See ya at Cleveland.

[Dr. Corkski]

Why don't you organize a quorum to solve all of Champ Cars ills, we can have it presented to Kalkhoven at your earlier convenience, and the skies the limit on what your people can rake in by selling this info to CCWS.He would, but how is anyone going to do that with an attention whore hogging KK's speed-dial? :gomer:

[FRANKY]

The salad days are over, and they won’t be back anytime soon. The problem is that Champ Car and the IRL are competing in a market that can’t support either one of them, much less both. The choices are to die and leave it to Tony George, or try something new, and I for one am grateful for any Boy George alternative I can get.



That's about it.

Besides, the turnout will be better than the race it's replacing.

[Insomniac]

That's about it.

Besides, the turnout will be better than the race it's replacing.

And PT echoed the same thing. LS is 50 miles from San Jose and they'll get 2x more people there for a race than LS. PT wants to race at LS, we want to see them race at LS on TV, but not even 10k of us are willing to go out to the track. Either a TV package needs to pay for the race, or attendance dows. LS had no attendance and the TV package sure isn't going to cover it.

[JT265]

He would, but how is anyone going to do that with an attention whore hogging KK's speed-dial? :gomer:




:rofl: :rofl:

[RTKar]

No, if people wont come to see the Champ Cars, gotta change the product so that they WILL. Street races are just a bandaid that make the problem worse.

One thing I'm concerned about is the Indiana Idiot getting a toe hold at RA & MO as his vision continues to change. He's already taken a great venue in St Pete. If for some unforseen reason his series gains any momentum, a contract with RA & MO would not be good for Champcar. Until he's in a pine box, he's cause for concern. My guess is the Watkins Glen event is a litmus test for road courses in the irl. If it comes off reasonably well, it's possible they'll look to MO and RA.

[Sean O'Gorman]

I'm not going to watch IRL at Mid-Ohio. Well, maybe to put stickers on the cars. :D

[Methanolandbrats]

One thing I'm concerned about is the Indiana Idiot getting a toe hold at RA & MO as his vision continues to change. He's already taken a great venue in St Pete. If for some unforseen reason his series gains any momentum, a contract with RA & MO would not be good for Champcar. Until he's in a pine box, he's cause for concern. My guess is the Watkins Glen event is a litmus test for road courses in the irl. If it comes off reasonably well, it's possible they'll look to MO and RA.Yup, that's the line in the sand. He gets those, it's over.

[Winston Wolfe]

Yup, that's the line in the sand. He gets those, it's over.

"was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?"

How many times have we thought this thing (CC) was over ?
Tony doesnt have the brains to kill anything, except more of his own brain cells.

I have all of the confidence in KK that this will be a successful event from a fan turnout perspective, from a B2B starter platform, from an overall sponsor standpoint.... I am, however, a little pessimistic on the overall quality of a race... but a race is a race, right ?
If this pays the bills and gets some exposure, and helps stem the tide against the EARL, then its a good thing, right ?
Yeah, its not LS, but last time we were there, no one showed, right ?
someone said it upstream..... "The salad days are over"....

[FCYTravis]

Fuel to the fire:

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8199393/


Tickets for the San Jose Grand Prix are not selling as originally hoped and organizers are hastily putting together a media blitz in California's Central Valley in the weeks before the July event to spur interest.

Organizers have quietly downgraded crowd expectations from 120,000 to 100,000 in recent weeks and privately some hotel and city officials say 80,000 may be a more realistic number for the July 29-31 event.

Mr. Singleton says he still expects 30,000 on July 29, 40,000 on July 30 and 50,000 on July 31. He does concede that those numbers include support personnel, volunteers and credentialed media.

Yep, people are lining up to buy tickets for t3h gratest race evar :gomer:

Urban street racing is not the savior of Champ Car.

[FRANKY]

Fuel to the fire:

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8199393/



Yep, people are lining up to buy tickets for t3h gratest race evar :shakehead

I think they are BSing about having great crowds. People just need to look at CC as a new series, not a carryover of CART. The reality is that CC has slipped everywhere even after a single year, more so in the USA. Milwaukee had less than last year. It's simply the truth. Sure they could fill the 20,000 seats easier if they were just race day tickets, sure they should save some seats for single day, and even some for general admission.

I don't expect any growth to happen except for Pacific Rim, and even then it reminds me of a strategy from old CART, where the answers to the problems lie elsewhere.

San Jose is a filler track for Laguna, just like replacement football players for the NFL, it's a stand in for a good racing venue. They slotted it in to replace and experiment with while making the schedule appear healthy. There, epectations lowered, now anything better than Milwaukee and last year's race should be considered a success.

[FRANKY]

Urban street racing is not the savior of Champ Car.

Nope, either are ride buyers or owner sponsored cars.

What do you believe is the answer??

[racer2c]

Fuel to the fire:

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8199393/



Yep, people are lining up to buy tickets for t3h gratest race evar :gomer:

Urban street racing is not the savior of Champ Car.

They need to go to a real city. What state is San Jose in anyway? Can I buy Pepe Lopez there?

A list or no list :thumdown:

[racer2c]

Are you for real, you dumb tool?

edit: seen you're from VA - openwheel hotbed.

:gomer:


have fun at the open wheel picnic. Bring your friends, if you go. :gomer:

So you don't know where it is either eh? :gomer:

[racer2c]

I can't wait for the Little Rock Grand Prix. :)

Those streets are mean!

[racer2c]

This just in: Champ Car confirms Grand Prix of Duluth! 20K expected!

San Jose= the hotbed of open wheel racing. :gomer:

[Ankf00]

is this coolhand part deux? calling out where others are from with absolutely no information supplied about yourself, ballsy :rolleyes:

20K == lame for supposedly the business model to bring us back to profitability, oh well, guess that's why we have beijing or shanghai or taipei or pyongyang or wherever it is we're going next season that's paying us beaucoup bucks

[Gnam]

I can't wait for the Little Rock Grand Prix. :)

Those streets are mean!
Hater.

After the EARL races at Sears Point, we'll be able to compare and see what draws in Nor Cal.
* Road or Street course
* country side or downtown
* IRL or Champ Car
* Danica or Drifting

As for RA or Mid-O sipping the koolaid, FTG's style is to TAKE away tracks that Champ Car wants to race on: Long Beach, Portland, St. Pete, Motegi, Nazereth, Fontana, Montreal, Toronto, Cleveland.

He doesn't, or at least hasn't so far, gone after tracks Champ Car has already left. Laguna Seca, Michigan, Detroit, Houston, Miami. Maybe he'll suddenly become interested in protecting the best American Natural Terrain Road Courses, but I still think his main goal is to kill Champ Car.

[greenie]

is this coolhand part deux? calling out where others are from with absolutely no information supplied about yourself, ballsy :rolleyes:

If you are talking to me, I've lived in Virginia and when I lived there I knew it sucked for seeing formula cars.

If you aren't, then sorry for the interruption.

I've told you where to meet up - it's called A RACE! looks like I'll be seeing racer2c there - SJ - see thread title, heavy hitter. Show up yourself. :cool:

[nrc]

We're tired of having to delete personal attacks from this thread. We're here to share opinions and discussion about racing, not about individuals.

If you can't express your opinion without insulting someone who disagrees with you then maybe you need to give your opinion a little more thought.