How much is gas where you are?

[Stu]

Hey Stu, I didn't realize it was Summer yet.

Its not summer.

But they are purchasing fuel for the summer right now, and they are starting to change the refining process to the summer blends now as well.

[Stu]

I'd be interested in an explanation for this chart. Gas prices are going lower, lower, lower, lower until.........election day 2006. I'm not saying anything, but....

http://66.70.86.46/test.gaschart?Country=Canada&Crude=f&Period=6&Areas=SanJose,,&Unit=US%20$/G

RichK, I am confused as to why you would use a chart for San Jose only. Why not look at the entire United States (and Canada for that matter). Oh, cuz that doesn't prove your point, since prices were cheaper in January than on election day.

http://66.70.86.46/test.gaschart?Country=Canada&Crude=f&Period=6&Areas=Canada%20Average,USA%20Average,&Unit=US%20$/G

[RichK]

RichK, I am confused as to why you would use a chart for San Jose only. Why not look at the entire United States (and Canada for that matter). Oh, cuz that doesn't prove your point, since prices were cheaper in January than on election day.

Actually, the inflection point is still there.

[Ankf00]

technically, the point of inflection is not the preferred nomenclature, as that occurs before and after that particular critical point. "Saddle point" is that which you are seeking.

:)

[RichK]

technically, the point of inflection is not the preferred nomenclature, as that occurs before and after that particular critical point. "Saddle point" is that which you are seeking.

:)

Even better, I should've just said "local minimum".

[G.]

$3.49

Here we go again.:(

[Wheel-Nut]

I'm just going to say it . . . F*** the oil companies! $3.19 for the mid grade.

[chop456]

$2.78 for B10 BioDiesel blend.

[Wally]

2.88 for diesel.....:shakehead

[KLang]

I paid $3.13 for premium yesterday.

Article in today's paper about what is going on:


But much of the recent surge in gasoline prices can be blamed on outages at the nation's oil refineries.

Some 800,000 barrels a day of refining capacity, or about 5 percent of the nation's total capacity, are currently off line, said Joanne Shore, a senior analyst with the U.S. Energy Information Administration. That compares with about 100,000 barrels a day that might typically be down this time of year.

BP accounts for about half of that lost refining capacity.

Both BP's Texas City refinery and its Whiting, Ind., facility — two of the nation's five biggest refineries — are running at only half capacity, with some 400,000 barrels a day shut down, Sankey said.

Texas City was rocked by an explosion in March 2005 that killed 15 and injured scores of others, while Whiting is still recovering from a March 22 fire that hobbled operations.

BP spokesman Scott Dean said the company is working around the clock "to bring the refineries back to their capabilities as quickly and safely as possible."

But he noted that while much of the focus has been on BP, U.S. refineries overall have experienced more than 30 unplanned outages since the beginning of the year.

Currently, refinery profit margins are at record levels, analysts said. But as recently as 2002, refiners were experiencing losses. The years of losing money caused companies to neglect refining investment, Sankey said.



http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/4808040.html

[Wheel-Nut]

Capacity is down but usage is up along with the prices. Expect large profits for the oil bastards!!

[Andrew Longman]

3.05 for premium

[Ankf00]

haven't filled up in a month and half, but I think it's around 3.50 for 87, 3.30something for 85

[Sean O'Gorman]

http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20070516005907&newsLang=en

I thought Asian cars have been running on this for years?

[dando]

I've been thinking about pulling this thread out for the past week or so, as ga$ climbed over $3/gallon yet again.

$3.29 for 87 here in Cbus, baby. :saywhat: :thumdown:

-Kevin

[indyfan31]

Cheapest in Los Angeles County: $3.25 for regular, and that's after it's dropped about .04 in the past week.

[RHR_Fan]

$3.29. I won't be surprised if it goes up to $3.34 or $3.39 soon.

[Turn7]

I paid $3.13 for premium yesterday.

Article in today's paper about what is going on:



http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/4808040.html

In addition to the 400,000 barrel shutdown as of yesterday, Valero shutdown the Houston plant today. That's another 75-100K barrels a day out of the market.

[cameraman]

The Silver Eagle Refinery here in Salt lake had an explosion and fire in their diesel fuel processing unit on May 6th. Their diesel production is now zero and they will be offline for 3-4 months. It is a very small refinery (10,200 barrels a day) their diesel output was around 100,000 gallons of diesel a day which is ~3% of the state's production. Not a huge deal but it is ten less delivery trucks a day around town.

[Tifosi24]

$3.23 at the gas station across the street from my bus stop and $3.20 at other gas stations along the bus route. I am glad I take the bus to work because it is so cheap (25 bucks a month). Unfortunately, planning a wedding 5 hours away makes my demand inelastic because I still have to go down there frequently, but once the fiancee moves up here, I will be using a gallon or two a week.

P.S. Everyone should pray there aren't any hurricanes that make a direct hit on the Gulf production areas this summer, or we are looking at inflation adjusted records.

[TrueBrit]

$3.48 regular
$3.72 premium

**** the oil companies:flame:

'course the upside is that I am going to win a lunch bet with my boss...I bet him we'll see $4.00/gal by the July 4th weekend...looks like I am going to win this one in a walk...

[Ankf00]

a wise person would invest in XOM, CVX, and COP

[opinionated ow]

i filled up at $1.259/L on monday. that is 3.94USD/US Gallon

[chop456]

a wise person would invest in XOM, CVX, and COP

Ding!

Complain about profits or profit along with them. Pretty easy choice. :thumbup:

[opinionated ow]

drove past a servo today...in USD/Gallon it would be 4.32!

[Luke]

you guys may think it is bad in america.


It is 3 times the price per litre in England.


On average £1 per litre.

[Ankf00]

but much of that is taxes as well

[G.]

you guys may think it is bad in america.


It is 3 times the price per litre in England.


On average £1 per litre.That's why we had a couple of wars with you guys, so we didn't have to pay your taxes.

Sorta won one of those wars I think...

:gomer: ;)

[Tifosi24]

you guys may think it is bad in america.


It is 3 times the price per litre in England.


On average £1 per litre.

England also has a lot more public transportation. Higher prices aren't as big of a deal when there are effective substitutes.

[Brian_R]

Cheapest here is 2.81/gal for regular, 2.91 mid grade, and 3.01 for premium... but the price changes between stations as much as 40 cents, price gauging anyone? :shakehead

[grungex]

I paid $3.55 today for regular. :flame:

[Methanolandbrats]

$3.27 per for Hugo 87.

[Kahauna Dreamer]

$3.41 Ocean Beach, San Francisco...
$3.99 5th Street @ Brannan, downtown San Francisco

[Spicoli]

4?

:rolleyes:


dood, get a scooter.

[extramundane]

$3.02 for the cheapy sludge.

Good thing I traded the Saturn for a pickemup. :gomer:

[dando]

Bend over and grab your ankles, kids. $3.49 here yesterday. :saywhat:

And then you read stuff like this, and wonder WTF?

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=610122

:shakehead

-Kevin

[Tifosi24]

I have never complained about what the local gas station charges, because I have known for a while that they don't make squat selling gas. Strangely enough, the Shell station by State Fair Park is one of the last places I filled up with gas before I moved out of Milwaukee.

In terms of gas prices in Saint Paul, we have gone down to $3.30 per gallon for the cheap stuff. I am anxious to see what happens later today as the weekend gets even closer.

[JLMannin]

Bend over and grab your ankles, kids. $3.49 here yesterday. :saywhat:

And then you read stuff like this, and wonder WTF?

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=610122

:shakehead

-Kevin

I feel bad for that particular station owner. Now, I have a question - did he only change the price each time his tanks were filled up, or did he make multiple price changes on each underground tank fill?

Gas here in Indy seems to be around 3.58/gal or so for 87 octane. I assume it is so high compared to the national average because of the the race.

[Tifosi24]

I feel bad for that particular station owner. Now, I have a question - did he only change the price each time his tanks were filled up, or did he make multiple price changes on each underground tank fill?

Gas here in Indy seems to be around 3.58/gal or so for 87 octane. I assume it is so high compared to the national average because of the the race.

I am going to assume he made multiple price changes on each fill. However, Wisconsin is different than other states in that you are only allowed to change your prices once a day, so if you bought a tanker at the retail equivalent of $2.00 at 7:00am and then at 9:00am unexpected good news in the market drops the price to $1.80, you essentially lose a day of business.

This relates to the topic of gas prices, so I thought I would fill everyone in. The high prices right now are not being caused by oil prices, because West Texas Crude is much lower than it was this time last year. The problem is that the nation's refinery capacity, especially in the Midwest, is well below optimum because of various shutdowns. As we speak, there are over 27 million barrels of crude oil in Oklahoma just sitting around waiting to be refined, but there is no room for it. So, if a call comes later in the summer to tap into the crude oil emergency reserves, remember this and know that it will have no real effect on prices at the pump.

[Wheel-Nut]

I have never complained about what the local gas station charges, because I have known for a while that they don't make squat selling gas. .


What do they make per gallon of gas? I ask because there is a new grocery store being built near my home. The trend lately for the big grocers is to build a smaller "convience" store out in the parking lot and they, the stores have gone to selling gas.

Why go to the expense of installing all the needed equipment to sell gas if there is little profit?

[KLang]

Why go to the expense of installing all the needed equipment to sell gas if there is little profit?

They hope you will also buy groceries. I shop occasionally at Randalls so I can get the 10 cents a gallon discount when I need to fill up the SUV.

[Wabbit]

What do they make per gallon of gas? I ask because there is a new grocery store being built near my home. The trend lately for the big grocers is to build a smaller "convience" store out in the parking lot and they, the stores have gone to selling gas.

Why go to the expense of installing all the needed equipment to sell gas if there is little profit?

Several years ago, an owner of a gas station told me that he only made between 1 and 3 cents a gallon for gas. The real profit is in selling all the soda and snacks with the gas.

[dando]

What do they make per gallon of gas? I ask because there is a new grocery store being built near my home. The trend lately for the big grocers is to build a smaller "convience" store out in the parking lot and they, the stores have gone to selling gas.

Why go to the expense of installing all the needed equipment to sell gas if there is little profit?

It's a loyalty card thing and a loss leader. Buy groceries, get a discount on the ga$. Kroger and Giant Eagle are currently going to war here in central oHIo. Giant Eagle just started offering a $.20/gallon discount for every $50 purchased. Kroger gives a discount on 4 fillups/mo. $.20/gallon for purchases over $300, IIRC.

-Kevin

[Tifosi24]

They hope you will also buy groceries. I shop occasionally at Randalls so I can get the 10 cents a gallon discount when I need to fill up the SUV.

That sums up the whole industry now (outside the stations owned by refineries). It use to be that service stations supplemented their business by doing car repair, but that is increasingly becoming a thing of the past. I remember reading somewhere a couple times that the margin on retail gasoline is generally less than 10 cents and sometimes as low as a penny. So, you can see why owners are so insane about drive-offs when you think how long it would take them to make-up $40 worth of gas at a two cent margin.

[G.]

Gas is now more expensive than beer. This weekend, especially, drink, don't drive.

[racermike]

Going over my records, I have driven my truck only 5,800 miles since 1/1/07, which in the same period last year, I drove almost 10,000. (and this year, I have made about 6 RT's to Portland, which is about 500 miles RT).

I have cut back big time where and when I drive, and make sure to get everything done in one trip. (Store, bank, cleaners, etc)

We are around $3.49 - $3.57 around town here for regular (depending on where you go)

[Ankf00]

the margins on gas sales are very slim, but a poster on HF who runs a few stations said they're pulling in a healthier margin with the $3+ prices.

anyone read that nyt article on big oil blaming biofuels? :laugh:

[cameraman]

There was a story on the news here about some of the small town gas stations with older analog pumps. Seems that they can not be set to anything higher than $3.999/gallon. Gas keeps going up and these guys will be forced to buy new pumps which cost a fortune and often require new tanks to go along with them.

As for the new electronic pumps, they can be set as high as $999.99 a gallon:shakehead

[Andrew Longman]

Report yesterday said Jersey has the lowest cost for gas in the nation. Some of that is due to the refineries here but state gas tax is about $.12/gal less than other states. That accounts for almost all the difference.

Of course we just passed a bond issue last year to fund road and bridge maintenance because we don't collect enough in gas tax. The cost of interest on that debt amounts to about $.12/gal for the average driver. Go figure. Why pay when you can make your kids pay?

[oddlycalm]

anyone read that nyt article on big oil blaming biofuels? :laugh: Bet they had a laugh after they came up with that one, I know i did.

oc

[chop456]

$3.44 for RU
$2.79 for diesel

[opinionated ow]

it is expected to hit 1.49AUD/L or 4.50USD/US Gallon this weekend.

[grungex]

I saw premium at $3.94 today...

[JLMannin]

I filled up in Champaign for 3.55 for premium - about $0.25 less than Indy. My son is watching me type this, and wants me to include a smiley :rofl:

[oddlycalm]

it is expected to hit 1.49AUD/L or 4.50USD/US Gallon this weekend. After the oil companies shut another big refinery or two down for "seasonal maintenance" we'll probably catch you up. :\

oc

[Ankf00]

I filled up for 3.60 today, 87, 85 was 3.40

when my fill was a gallon short of a full tank and I still passed $40, I finally realized it's 3.60, not 2.60 like last year...


:mad:

[RHR_Fan]

$3.35 here today. It's been swinging between $3.29 and $3.39 for the past week.

[dando]

It was $3.49 out east in central oHIo today on route 79, 4 miles away on innerstate 70 it was $3.19. :saywhat:

-Kevin

[eiregosod]

I filled up for 3.60 today, 87, 85 was 3.40

when my fill was a gallon short of a full tank and I still passed $40, I finally realized it's 3.60, not 2.60 like last year...


:mad:

dems big prices for Teijas.

[dando]

It was $3.49 out east in central oHIo today on route 79, 4 miles away on innerstate 70 it was $3.19. :saywhat:

-Kevin

Dropped to $2.99 for 87, kids. That's a $.50 drop in just over a week, if you're scoring @ home, or even if you're not...like Ank. :gomer:

-Kevin

[Wheel-Nut]

That's a big drop. I've noticed about a $0.10 drop around Houston.

[chop456]

$2.89 - Diesel
$3.19 - R.U.

[Ankf00]

Dropped to $2.99 for 87, kids. That's a $.50 drop in just over a week, if you're scoring @ home, or even if you're not...like Ank. :gomer:

-Kevin

:D


still almost 3.60 for 87, sucks for me, but I can ride a bike path through the park all the way to work, so F them anyway.

[rabbit]

$2.949 at the Speedway in Beaverdam.

[cart7]

2.88 in Arnold Missouri today.

[indyfan31]

From a high locally of 3.39, it's down to 3.15 at best.

[Turn7]

2.79 :thumbup:

[Ankf00]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_XMzh2rg_s

[cart7]

$2.79 today. :cool:

[Methanolandbrats]

Filling up is still hard on the starfish around here at $3.24

[Kahauna Dreamer]

$3.39 Outer Sunset, San Francisco

[chop456]

Pretty soon you'll be able to stop complaining and do something (http://www.autoblog.com/2007/06/06/new-accord-diesel-to-hit-60-mpg/) about it.

Or just keep complaining. :tony:

[KLang]

$3.19 for premium yesterday. Price has been stuck around there for a while now. At least at the places I buy from.

[Cam]

$2.99 yesterday. Put 30 bucks worth in the Mazda and it still isn't full. :rolleyes:

[CART 500]

$3.04 in Hooterville

[Sean O'Gorman]

$2.99 yesterday. Put 30 bucks worth in the Mazda and it still isn't full. :rolleyes:

You have a Protege, right? The first time I filled mine up, it was $43.50. I hate how the fuel gauge drops from 1/4 to E almost immediately, then the fuel light comes on. Both times I've refueled the car I've had a half gallon left. :irked:

[Cam]

You have a Protege, right? The first time I filled mine up, it was $43.50. I hate how the fuel gauge drops from 1/4 to E almost immediately, then the fuel light comes on. Both times I've refueled the car I've had a half gallon left. :irked:

Yep. Its prolly an 1/8th below the full mark. I bet that it would prolly still take another 7/8 bucks worth to get it to full tho. :yuck:

[Wheel-Nut]

Pretty soon you'll be able to stop complaining and do something (http://www.autoblog.com/2007/06/06/new-accord-diesel-to-hit-60-mpg/) about it.

Or just keep complaining. :tony:

but then I would have to buy a FHONDA. :saywhat: I'd rather keep complaining!! :D

[KLang]

Pretty soon you'll be able to stop complaining and do something (http://www.autoblog.com/2007/06/06/new-accord-diesel-to-hit-60-mpg/) about it.

Do these new clean diesels have any giddy-up?

If diesel is going to be a near term solution the infrastructure isn't there. Most gas stations I buy at only have 1 diesel pump.

[Wheel-Nut]

. . . Most gas stations I buy at only have 1 diesel pump.


and when Bubba has his F350 Supercrew there fueling up he has the whole island blocked!! :flame: Stupid Rednecks!! :mad:

[KLang]

:flame: Stupid Rednecks!! :mad:

Sometimes I think they outnumber the rest of us. :laugh:

[JLMannin]

Back below $3.00/gallon. SUV sales will be booming again.

[Cam]

Anyone that's heading to the USGP, Ch 13 chopper just showed the Speedway station @ 38th & G'town $2.87.

[Gnam]

$3.35 this week and heading lower.

I've been filling the tank whenever it gets to 1/2 full. Sort of a dollar cost average approach.:gomer: I doubt it's saving me any cash, but when the price gets high, I feel better that I only have to fill half the tank.

[cameraman]

$3.239 for Chevron regular today:cry:

[dando]

Lowest I've seen this week is $2.86 for 87...that's a $.63 drop in just over 2 weeks. :saywhat:

-Kevin

[Elmo T]

$2.899 (to be exact) when I gassed up last night. Dropped quick but seems to be holding now.

[Gnam]

RichK's price chart keeps updating... that curve sucks.

In the Bay Area gas is about $tree fiddy$ all over.



http://66.70.86.46/test.gaschart?Country=Canada&Crude=f&Period=6&Areas=SanJose,,&Unit=US%20$/G

[KLang]

RichK's price chart keeps updating... that curve sucks.


Wouldn't look so bad if the changed the scale. :gomer:

I think I paid $3.20something last week for premium. I find it hurts less if I simply don't look at the numbers on the pump.;)

[Ankf00]

I find it hurts less if I simply don't look at the numbers on the pump.;) word.

85 is 3.10 here. Boo. Hiss.

[racermike]

Filled up this morning with 87 for $3.31/g

[cameraman]

I have to admit that I did not even look.

[jonovision_man]

102.9... but that only gets me a liter. :)

Works out to about $3.80 Canadian per gallon, which in USD is about... $3.80! :)

I only go through about a tank a month, so I can't say I care all that much.

jono

[dando]

Interestingly, we've actually dropped below $3/gallon from a recent high of $3.19. I saw ga$ for $2.92 on the way home tonight. :eek:

-Kevin

[TravelGal]

$3.45 for the cheapest here. We have lots of state taxes to keep Ahnold in business.

[G.]

Me too, dando.

Last week, Thurs, $2.99. Next day, Friday, I fill up at $3.15.:(

Now $2.98.

[opinionated ow]

I filled up at the cheapest i've seen this week (126.9c/L AUD) or $4.20 US/USG

today it is at $4.70US/USG

[Stu]

I filled up at the cheapest i've seen this week (126.9c/L AUD) or $4.20 US/USG

today it is at $4.70US/USG

the high gas prices this winter are worth not having since we arent forced to hear hippies claim that fuel prices were falling because of the November election.

[opinionated ow]

if there is one thing I can add, you learn to adapt. Around the olympics in 2000 we paid 58-68c/L. We now pay almost double that. You just have to learn to adapt. They have us by the short and curlies and no alternative fuel source is going to be any cheaper. No point stressing because it isn't going to go down-ever.

[jonovision_man]

You're right... it was only a couple of years ago that the gas stations here were caught off guard and had to add an extra digit to their signs! $1/L gas was unthinkable, now it's the norm.

Canada is a net oil exporter, so when I see a high price at the pumps I remember that we're getting it back and more in royalties from our customers.

Your business is appreciated. :D

P.S. - buy more SUVs. ;)

jono