Cheever Futility GP Masters - Kyalami [Archive]

Wheel-Nut

11-08-05, 06:50 PM

It looks like Cosworth found something to do with the 3.5 liter block.

Powered by an 80-degree 3.5-litre V8 Nicholson McLaren Cosworth engine, the Grand Prix Masters cars will produce in excess of 600bhp and reach speeds of around 200mph. Based on the highly successful Cosworth XB Indycar engine, Nicholson McLaren have developed this normally-aspirated version offering more than 600bhp at 10,400rpm while maximum torque is achieved at over 320 lb ft at 7,800rpm.

Is this the Chev-Worth power plant?

B3RACER1a

11-08-05, 07:04 PM

The XB was a 2.65L V8 and turbo...used in CART. How this 3.5 liter version is based off of the XB...i dont know....big difference there. Anyways, I bet its just the Chev-Worth plant too.

FCYTravis

11-08-05, 07:05 PM

No, it has nothing to do with the Chevworth. It's the 2.65 litre Cosworth XB Champ Car block, stroked to 3.5.

The same motor is used in Binnie Motorsport's Lola B05/10 LMP2.

Cam

11-08-05, 07:14 PM

Stucky is gonna school those oldtimers.

Not so sure about that...... Lammers is still pretty active. :p

Steve99

11-08-05, 07:25 PM

He is already making excuses:

“I haven’t done anything in racing other than turn left, at very high speeds, for more than ten years. It has been a long time since I have driven on a road course."

speedtv.com link (http://www.speedtv.com/articles/auto/roadracing/20636/)

Fio1

11-08-05, 07:51 PM

I think Johansson will win this thing, with Lammers close behind. Hans Stuck hasn't sat in an open wheel race since maybe 1979! That's insanne! That's 25 years ago for crying a loud. But that's why Hans Stuck is the man, and when he retires from racing at the 24 Hours of Nurburgring in 2009* I will be there!

*Both of his sons race, and 1 will be 18 in 2009, so he wants to do the 24 Hours of Nurburgring with both his sons before he retires, but must wait until the youngest turns 18, which will be in 2009.

coolhand

11-08-05, 08:13 PM

why did they do all those changes to the reyanrds?

pchall

11-08-05, 08:57 PM

The XB was a 2.65L V8 and turbo...used in CART. How this 3.5 liter version is based off of the XB...i dont know....big difference there. Anyways, I bet its just the Chev-Worth plant too.

Cosworth built the 3.5l NA CART engine proof-of-concept from a 2.65l block (the same one used in Champ Car today) and heads so there must be enough metal in the older XB block for McLaren and Nicholson to bore and stroke it to 3.5l.

BTW, in the good old days (around 1981) Cosworth managed to make a 4.0l endurance racing engine out of the 3.0l DFV.

Al Czervik

11-08-05, 09:56 PM

Cosworth built the 3.5l NA CART engine proof-of-concept from a 2.65l block (the same one used in Champ Car today) and heads so there must be enough metal in the older XB block for McLaren and Nicholson to bore and stroke it to 3.5l.

BTW, in the good old days (around 1981) Cosworth managed to make a 4.0l endurance racing engine out of the 3.0l DFV.

Unfortunately named the DFL iirc.

Ed_Severson

11-08-05, 10:11 PM

“I haven’t done anything in racing"

He could have stopped there and saved himself a breath or two.

extramundane

11-08-05, 11:17 PM

No, it has nothing to do with the Chevworth. It's the 2.65 litre Cosworth XB Champ Car block, stroked to 3.5.

The same motor is used in Binnie Motorsport's Lola B05/10 LMP2.

And what a wonderful season they had with it.

At least running against itself it stands half a chance.

Michaelhatesfans

11-09-05, 12:28 AM

Stucky is gonna school those oldtimers.
Stuck is my sentimental favorite.

But if I were betting on an underdog, I'd go with Patrese. He looks fit and confident. Mansell spent two years over here, and still can't roll the bill of his cap. I can't root for someone like that. Dust him, Ricardo!
http://www.motorsport.com/photos/openwheel/2005/gmt/openwheel-2005-gmt-xp-0143.jpg

coolhand

11-09-05, 03:01 AM

i see mansell as putting in a few fast laps and putting it in the gravel trap, then retiring.

none of the more famous guys will win it, It will be a stuck or another sports car person.

formulaben

11-09-05, 03:43 AM

Stuck is my sentimental favorite.

But if I were betting on an underdog, I'd go with Patrese. He looks fit and confident. Mansell spent two years over here, and still can't roll the bill of his cap. I can't root for someone like that. Dust him, Ricardo!

Funny, as soon as I saw that picture I thought the same thing. He was always a 1/2 second behind Mansell, but many think .4 of that was Mansells complete faith (balls?) in the active suspension. Anyone know if SPEED is going to show this stuff? It's got to be good television, I would think...

mueber

11-09-05, 08:26 AM

Funny, as soon as I saw that picture I thought the same thing. He was always a 1/2 second behind Mansell, but many think .4 of that was Mansells complete faith (balls?) in the active suspension. Anyone know if SPEED is going to show this stuff? It's got to be good television, I would think...

SPEED has to carry their usual line up of bike building with rednecks and interior decorating with NASCAR backmarkers before they can fit in anything else, so don't hold your breath.

Cam

11-09-05, 09:05 AM

Highlights on ESPN only...... :shakehead

KLang

11-09-05, 10:17 AM

Cheever is considered a Master? :confused:

Maybe in some alternate reality.

Andrew Longman

11-09-05, 01:41 PM

Cheever is considered a Master? :confused:

Maybe in some alternate reality.

Beg to differ. He's an I500 champ doncha know! :gomer:

eiregosod

11-09-05, 09:44 PM

Highlights on ESPN only...... :shakehead

enjoy the glowing Cheever testimonials from Todd Harris. :laugh:

Rocketdoc

11-10-05, 12:33 AM

He could have stopped there and saved himself a breath or two.

Cheever hasn't won a real race since he was in the junior series in Europe.

Michaelhatesfans

11-10-05, 01:38 AM

i see mansell as putting in a few fast laps and putting it in the gravel trap, then retiring.
It's like you're reading my mind! Spooky! :laugh:

SurfaceUnits

11-10-05, 10:23 AM

Cheever is considered a Master? :confused:

Maybe in some alternate reality.In theory, theory and reality are the same. In reality, they aren't. :confused:

Jervis Tetch 1

11-10-05, 11:23 AM

Patrese and Mansell together again :eek:

Accipiter

11-10-05, 12:15 PM

Cheever? Really? I thought it was supposed to be Grand Prix Masters, not Mediocrities.

coolhand

11-12-05, 02:11 AM

practice 2

POS NR ENTRANT/DRIVER TEAM FASTEST LAP
1 5 Mansell N. (GBR) Team Altech 1:35.086
2 12 Warwick D. (GBR) Team Lixxus 1:35.367
3 7 Fittipaldi E. (BRA) Team LG 1:35.728
4 6 Patrese R. (ITA) Team GPM 1:35.790
5 9 Lammers J. (NED) Team LG 1:36.407
6 17 Cheever E. (USA) Team Altech 1:36.666
7 14 Stuck H. (AUT) Team Phantom 1:36.775
8 11 Danner C. (GER) Team Unipart 1:36.806
9 2 Johansson S. (SWE) Team Phantom 1:37.338
10 22 De Cesaris A. (ITA) Team Unipart 1:37.736
11 28 Arnoux R. (FRA) Team Golden Palace 1:38.091
12 999 Salazar E. 1:38.187
13 25 Tambay P. (FRA) Team Lixxus 1:38.964
14 26 Laffite J. (FRA) Team GMF 1:39.082 5
15 27 Jones A. (AUS) Team Golden Palace 1:43.295

NismoZ

11-12-05, 11:44 AM

Mansell on pole by about .6 over Emmo. Cheever 8th. Jones out, sore neck! Ol' Nige in a walk, IF... :D

meadors

11-12-05, 12:06 PM

Just like old times.
Need tv coverage :cry:

meadors

11-12-05, 12:39 PM

What happened to Prost?

Methanolandbrats

11-12-05, 12:49 PM

What happened to Prost? He did'nt like the cuisine, so he went home.

NismoZ

11-12-05, 12:53 PM

French would have been overrepresented?

Fio1

11-12-05, 01:18 PM

Qualifying standings:
1. Nigel Mansell (Britain) one minute 33.428 seconds
2. Emerson Fittipaldi (Brazil) 1:33.998
3. Ricardo Patrese (Italy) 1:34.048
4. Jan Lammers (Netherlands) 1:34.082
5. Andrea de Cesaris (Italy) 1:34.086
6. Derek Warwick (Britain) 1:34.087
7. Christian Danner (Germany) 1:34.132
8. Eddie Cheever (U.S.) 1:34.602
9. Hans Stuck (Austria) 1:34.755
10. Stefan Johansson (Sweden) 1:34.841

I guess Cheever isn't doing too bad, at least he has Saladbar behind him. The biggest disapointment is Johnasson, after a full season of Grand-Am he get's toasted by guys who've been driving scooters around Monaco & Miami the last few years. :cool:

fourrunner

11-12-05, 03:02 PM

I'm amazed that there is only 1 1/2 seconds between 1-10 considering the layoff ... but I agree that Stefan is still active so you'd think he'd do better ..is it the car? ( just giving him cover !) ;)