Firefox 1.5

[WickerBill]

Anyone using it? What's the compatibility like with all of the extensions and themes I've got on my FF 1.0?

[racer2c]

Anyone using it? What's the compatibility like with all of the extensions and themes I've got on my FF 1.0?

I've been on 1.5 for about two weeks. Some extensions have not been updated to support it. It still has issues with some Flash sites. Great browser though.

[devilmaster]

Hmm. :confused:

I've been running firefox 1.5 for a week now, and I gots a problem with it. Its a cpu hog. I got a funny feeling that one of the old extensions isn't playing right with it.

It constantly hogs 60 to 80% of the cpu even when its not accessing pages - which naturally gives a natural 'hang' to the system for a second or two when its active.

I'm playing with it some more, just wondering if anyone else has either seen or heard what i'm seeing here.

[dando]

Hmm. :confused:

I've been running firefox 1.5 for a week now, and I gots a problem with it. Its a cpu hog. I got a funny feeling that one of the old extensions isn't playing right with it.

It easily and constantly hugs 60 to 80% of the cpu even when its not accessing pages - which naturally gives a natural 'hang' to the system for a second or two when its active.

I'm playing with it some more, just wondering if anyone else has either seen or heard what i'm seeing here.
Yeah, I've been lagging more frequently of late, but I havevn't bothered to investigate it yet (it is college bowl week, ya know). The only significant change I've made the past couple of weeks has been to install 1.5, so that's likely the cause of the probs I'm seeing as well. Time to start watching the system monitoring tools now....

-Kevin

[devilmaster]

actually, just found my problem.... extension torrenttools ver 1.002

https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=1346&application=firefox

there are a couple other torrentsearch bars other than this one.... don't bother with it.

[EDwardo]

magpie tools don't work with it.

[chop456]

magpie tools don't work with it.


http://home.wi.rr.com/chop456/magpie.jpg

[Wheel-Nut]

Not trying to start anything here BUT . . .

Do you guys really like FireFox? I gave it a try about a year ago and just couldn't get anything to work with it. I even had our IT guy spend some time setting it up but I couldn't get used to it.

I've been using MS Explorer and don't have any of the troubles people always seem to have with it. I keep the virus software updated daily and no problems.

I just don't get the "greatness" of FireFox.

[dando]

Not trying to start anything here BUT . . .

Do you guys really like FireFox? I gave it a try about a year ago and just couldn't get anything to work with it. I even had our IT guy spend some time setting it up but I couldn't get used to it.

I've been using MS Explorer and don't have any of the troubles people always seem to have with it. I keep the virus software updated daily and no problems.

I just don't get the "greatness" of FireFox.
Well for one, tabbed browsing is the bomb. The rendering engine has been proven to be faster than IE. Site compatibility and rendering issues are almost nill these days. The only sites I have issues with are those using CraptiveX controls. IE 7.0 will add tabbed browsing, but I'm not sure about other features or security fixes.

Step away from the MSFT crack.... :)

-Kevin

[RichK]

I like Firefox, but I've always had a problem with SpeedTV.com. When I browse to an article (but NOT the main article page), like here:

http://www.speedtv.com/articles/auto/formulaone/21362/

all I see is a gray page, and I have to scroll WAY down to see the article. Never could figure this one out, so I just live with it.

Anyone else ever see this?

[IlliniRacer]

Not trying to start anything here BUT . . .

Do you guys really like FireFox? I gave it a try about a year ago and just couldn't get anything to work with it. I even had our IT guy spend some time setting it up but I couldn't get used to it.

I've been using MS Explorer and don't have any of the troubles people always seem to have with it. I keep the virus software updated daily and no problems.

I just don't get the "greatness" of FireFox.

I'd be lost without the AutoCopy and Mouse Gesture Extensions.
I've also made the switch to Thunderbird. (http://www.mozilla.com/thunderbird/) My father-in-law asked me a question about Outlook the other day and couldn't for the life of me remember how it worked. :)

[WickerBill]

Listen, I do Microsoft for a living and largely sing their praises. I am not an anti-MS fanboy who switched to FF to get away from evil Bill Gates. I switched simply because of three things:

1. Extensions for Firefox are spectacular. The important ones I currently use are ForecastFox (puts the weather in my status bar), Copy as Plain Text, Adblock (the biggie), SwitchProxy -- I couldn't go back to not having those.

2. No popups or flashing banner ads, especially with Adblock. When I go back to IE and look at the same pages, it's hideous.

3. No ActiveX. Yes, I actually view this as a very big positive. Code your pages based on standards, you tools.

[Cam]

I like Firefox, but I've always had a problem with SpeedTV.com. When I browse to an article (but NOT the main article page), like here:

http://www.speedtv.com/articles/auto/formulaone/21362/

all I see is a gray page, and I have to scroll WAY down to see the article. Never could figure this one out, so I just live with it.

Anyone else ever see this?

Yeah I get the same thing. I always figured it was something to do with Macromedia being borked. It renders correctly using Opera, with the same version of Flash tho, so I dunno what's causing it. Too damn lazy to look at the source code from Speed to if they are putting in some oddball code that may be causing it. :gomer:

[dando]

I like Firefox, but I've always had a problem with SpeedTV.com. When I browse to an article (but NOT the main article page), like here:

http://www.speedtv.com/articles/auto/formulaone/21362/

all I see is a gray page, and I have to scroll WAY down to see the article. Never could figure this one out, so I just live with it.

Anyone else ever see this?
I see this occasionally, but usually when I refresh the page, it renders correctly.

-Kevin

[jcollins28]

I have 1.5 and it seems to crash a lot? However I can live with it because of one thing, FOXY TUNES!!!! If you like to listen to music while you surf this extension is made for you. Like another poster said though 1.5 seems a bit buggy. I'm not worried though i just need to find the time to dig and figure out what it is that is not playing right and figure it out. Although i would not be surprise if there was an update posted here shortly.

[Sean O'Gorman]

I just use Firefox for the tabs. I loved the Netscape browser but it is way too buggy.

[dando]

I just use Firefox for the tabs. I loved the Netscape browser but it is way too buggy.

NS 8.x?

-Kevin

[Sean O'Gorman]

yes

[dando]

yes
Oh, if you only knew.... :) :saywhat: :shakehead

8.2 should be released shortly, but I doubt it will be bug free either. :(

-Kevin

[Insomniac]

I like Firefox, but I've always had a problem with SpeedTV.com. When I browse to an article (but NOT the main article page), like here:

http://www.speedtv.com/articles/auto/formulaone/21362/

all I see is a gray page, and I have to scroll WAY down to see the article. Never could figure this one out, so I just live with it.

Anyone else ever see this?

All the time. Every now and then I don't have to scroll down. I live with it. :)

[Insomniac]

Firefox has always been a memory hog too. They could really improve that. That would make me very happy.

[devilmaster]

I have 1.5 and it seems to crash a lot? However I can live with it because of one thing, FOXY TUNES!!!! If you like to listen to music while you surf this extension is made for you. Like another poster said though 1.5 seems a bit buggy. I'm not worried though i just need to find the time to dig and figure out what it is that is not playing right and figure it out. Although i would not be surprise if there was an update posted here shortly.

Check the extensions you have, and look them up at the mozilla website. There may be a review of a certain extension that may be causing the lockup. (i noticed a few lockup complaints with a different torrent bar than the one I got rid of today.)

And foxytunes is the cat's meow. I also like firefox for bugmenot.

[devilmaster]

I am not an anti-MS fanboy who switched to FF to get away from evil Bill Gates.

But you may be someday there boss..... ;)

Like the times you have to have to pull 40 hour shifts cause of the next exploit.

[WickerBill]

You mean like the one that came out two days ago? Ha! And the one scheduled for January 5th, my daughter's 10th birthday? Ha!

(not to derail the topic, but you all know that if your precious linux had 92% market share they'd have just as many vulnerabilities exposed; in fact I think there are many more attack vectors for *nix than Win32...)

[Hard Driver]

Using it. Basically use it because I like the tabbed browsing. I don't need seperate pop-up blockers. And I am an IT guy that dislikes the monopoly abuse of Microsoft, and I want to add my tiny slice of non-ms browsers so that sites are forced to code to standards. Also it does not get infected with adware and spyware like MS does.

[Insomniac]

But you may be someday there boss..... ;)

Like the times you have to have to pull 40 hour shifts cause of the next exploit.

Why do you have to pull a 40 hour shift when an exploit is discovered?

[Insomniac]

And foxytunes is the cat's meow. I also like firefox for bugmenot.

It doesn't seem to work anymore for me.

[devilmaster]

Why do you have to pull a 40 hour shift when an exploit is discovered?

That comment was to a thread on here that I can't find. ;)

A couple years back, there was that Windows exploit that would continually shut down systems if infected. (not remembering what it was exactly, but a changed Remote procedure call comes to mind.) anyways, there was a thread here warning people of it, and how to temporarily stop the shutdowns so you could fix the problem.

WB came on with a post about how he'd been working non-stop for a good few days trying to get all the systems at the company he worked at, at the time, fixed. The comment from his post I remember was - 'to all you Linux/Open source people, I can't begin to stress how I don't want to hear from you right now' ;) :D

[devilmaster]

That comment was to a thread on here that I can't find.

WB came on with a post about how he'd been working non-stop for a good few days trying to get all the systems at the company he worked at, at the time, fixed. The comment from his post I remember was - 'to all you Linux/Open source people, I can't begin to stress how I don't want to hear from you right now'

Well, I found the thread:

Wow. :eek: I'm really impressed with my rapidly failing memory. I actually got most of that above post right! And I don't remember getting that pint of Guinness from Aaron.... Mr nz_climber, you gonna pay up soon? ;)

http://www.offcamber.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2269&page=1&pp=25

[nrc]

(not to derail the topic, but you all know that if your precious linux had 92% market share they'd have just as many vulnerabilities exposed; in fact I think there are many more attack vectors for *nix than Win32...)

I guess you're assuming that in such a marketplace we'd have Microsoft Linux. :)

The bigger Linux's market share the more exploits will be found. But I still believe that they'd generally be lesser impact and quicker to be fixed.

Ultimately I'd rather not have any OS (or browser, to get within a stone's throw of the original topic) with 92% of the market. A more diverse marketplace based on open standards and protocols would be the best environment for resisting massive virus outbreaks.

[pfc_m_drake]

On the topic of Firefox extensions, I found this link on another website that I read today. It's a page containing links to the 'Top 50' Firefox extensions, just in case anybody's interested.

http://pchere.blogspot.com/2005/12/50-best-firefox-extensions-for-power.html

[Insomniac]

That comment was to a thread on here that I can't find. ;)

A couple years back, there was that Windows exploit that would continually shut down systems if infected. (not remembering what it was exactly, but a changed Remote procedure call comes to mind.) anyways, there was a thread here warning people of it, and how to temporarily stop the shutdowns so you could fix the problem.

WB came on with a post about how he'd been working non-stop for a good few days trying to get all the systems at the company he worked at, at the time, fixed. The comment from his post I remember was - 'to all you Linux/Open source people, I can't begin to stress how I don't want to hear from you right now' ;) :D

I see. I think Microsoft has helped a lot by finally adding the automatic updates (I'm not sure what versions it is for, I know 2K and XP at least.). I can't think of a virus/trojan hitting that didn't take advantage of a known flaw until some time after it was discovered and a patch was already available. The true hackers wouldn't bother trying to do a mass exploit or publicize the security hole. System Administrators have a tough job. They have to stay on top of every patch that is released for all software on all machines they administer. A missed patch could wreak all kinds of havoc. Working besides a group of people that NASA sub-contracts out all the IT to, I've seen how hard they work and how vigilant they are. They have never been hacked or exploited which is a testament to their hard word ansd security processes. (NOTE: Before everyone starts calling me a liar, this is not all of NASA, just one specific facility.)

[Insomniac]

The bigger Linux's market share the more exploits will be found. But I still believe that they'd generally be lesser impact and quicker to be fixed.

This makes it potentially just as scary to run Mac OS or Linux as it does Windows IMO. How many secuirty holes are there that are not disclosed by people who found them? And they are just being quietly exploited.

[nrc]

I can't think of a virus/trojan hitting that didn't take advantage of a known flaw until some time after it was discovered and a patch was already available. The true hackers wouldn't bother trying to do a mass exploit or publicize the security hole. System Administrators have a tough job. They have to stay on top of every patch that is released for all software on all machines they administer. A missed patch could wreak all kinds of havoc.

It still happens more frequently than it should. There are exploits for unpatched security issues out there right now. There are also cases where MS issues work-arounds rather than patches and automated updates don't cover that.

It amazes me how painful the Windows patch process is for our Windows guys. I have a single Web view of all our Linux systems that shows the patch status of every single one of them. I can push updates out to any machine. Most of them don't require a reboot, all the dependancies are figured out automatically and they rarely break something that was working before. This all comes as part of our base RedHat license but there are free tools that will do basically the same thing.

[dando]

Need we say more:

http://news.ft.com/cms/s/0d644d5e-7bb3-11da-ab8e-0000779e2340.html (http://)

:(

-Kevin

[racer2c]

Need we say more:

http://news.ft.com/cms/s/0d644d5e-7bb3-11da-ab8e-0000779e2340.html (http://)

:(

-Kevin

Dead link.

[mapguy]

I have had no problems at all with 1.5. None, nada.

[dando]

Dead link.
http://news.ft.com/cms/s/0d644d5e-7bb3-11da-ab8e-0000779e2340.html

Try dat linkage.

-Kevin

[Clown]

It constantly hogs 60 to 80% of the cpu even when its not accessing pages - which naturally gives a natural 'hang' to the system for a second or two when its active.Really? Runs way faster (than older builds) on my POS penguin box....

[devilmaster]

Really? Runs way faster (than older builds) on my POS penguin box....

I found the problem and posted a reply earlier in the thread regarding it.... it was an extension that was a cpu hog.... torrenttools ver 1.002.

Removed it, works beautifully now.

And since I've re-read this thread - I'm not completely sure, but it sounds like people think I'm a linux snob - which i'm not.

In fact the thread i started here about knoppix was the first time one of my monitors has even shown linux through its tubes. If knoppix wasn't on a standalone CD, I probably still would have never run it on one of my systems. But i know a few people who swear by it, (just as my programmer friend was throwing a copy of knoppix my way, he's working with ubuntu.)

The whole sidetrack about WB's job was just a thread I remembered from a few years ago, and I brought it back up.....

[Insomniac]

It still happens more frequently than it should. There are exploits for unpatched security issues out there right now. There are also cases where MS issues work-arounds rather than patches and automated updates don't cover that.

It amazes me how painful the Windows patch process is for our Windows guys. I have a single Web view of all our Linux systems that shows the patch status of every single one of them. I can push updates out to any machine. Most of them don't require a reboot, all the dependancies are figured out automatically and they rarely break something that was working before. This all comes as part of our base RedHat license but there are free tools that will do basically the same thing.

Ohhh, okay. The PCs at NASA are quite locked down. They have a lot more security than just Windows obviously. They are able to poush updates down and I'd say the only time a reboot is needed is when a mjopr update is sent (like switching from Office 2000 to 2003). I would guess there are similar tools for Windows.

[nrc]

Ohhh, okay. The PCs at NASA are quite locked down. They have a lot more security than just Windows obviously. They are able to poush updates down and I'd say the only time a reboot is needed is when a mjopr update is sent (like switching from Office 2000 to 2003). I would guess there are similar tools for Windows.

Ye$, all of tho$e feature$ are available for Window$. Our Window$ guy$ u$e Micro$oft$ $M$ package. They $till $eem to reboot for a lot of their update$.

[nz_climber]

steve: still got that beer sitting here waiting for you - you just have to come pick it up ;)

[Turn7]

I have to ftp files back and forth with India, a bunch. FireFTP is muy bueno.

I am noticing some issues with 1.5. On 3 occasions now, there seems to be a "persistant instance" of the program running after I close the program. If I try to launch firefox after I have previously shut it down and all I get is a hourglass for about 30 seconds or so and then nothing, I have to go into task manager and kill the persistant instance of firefox before it will start again.

That is the biggest problem I have encountered as of yet.

[Cam]

I have to ftp files back and forth with India, a bunch. FireFTP is muy bueno.

I am noticing some issues with 1.5. On 3 occasions now, there seems to be a "persistant instance" of the program running after I close the program. If I try to launch firefox after I have previously shut it down and all I get is a hourglass for about 30 seconds or so and then nothing, I have to go into task manager and kill the persistant instance of firefox before it will start again.

That is the biggest problem I have encountered as of yet.

Check your version of the Java plugin...

[Turn7]

Check your version of the Java plugin...



Toos|Options|Downloads|Plugins shows that I don't have one loaded, would that be the issue?

[Cam]

Toos|Options|Downloads|Plugins shows that I don't have one loaded, would that be the issue?

about:plugins

[Turn7]

about?

hold my hand I suppose cause Im not getting it.

[Cam]

about?

hold my hand I suppose cause Im not getting it.

Plug into the location bar exactly what I put above. It will give detailed info on the all plugins installed including the version.

[Turn7]

Is this correct for 1.5?




Java(TM) 2 Platform Standard Edition 5.0 Update 4

File name: NPJPI150_04.dll
Java Plug-in 1.5.0_04 for Netscape Navigator (DLL Helper)

MIME Type Description Suffixes Enabled
application/x-java-applet;jpi-version=1.5.0_04 Java Applet Yes
application/x-java-bean;jpi-version=1.5.0_04 JavaBeans Yes
Java(TM) 2 Platform Standard Edition 5.0 Update 4

File name: NPOJI610.dll
Java Plug-in 1.5.0_04 for Netscape Navigator (DLL Helper)

MIME Type Description Suffixes Enabled
application/x-java-vm Java Yes
Java(TM) 2 Platform Standard Edition 5.0 Update 4

File name: NPJava11.dll
Java Plug-in 1.5.0_04 for Netscape Navigator (DLL Helper)

MIME Type Description Suffixes Enabled
application/x-java-applet;version=1.1.1 Java Applet Yes
application/x-java-bean;version=1.1.1 JavaBeans Yes
application/x-java-applet;version=1.1 Java Applet Yes
application/x-java-bean;version=1.1 JavaBeans Yes
application/x-java-applet Java Applet Yes
application/x-java-bean JavaBeans Yes
Java(TM) 2 Platform Standard Edition 5.0 Update 4

File name: NPJava12.dll
Java Plug-in 1.5.0_04 for Netscape Navigator (DLL Helper)

MIME Type Description Suffixes Enabled
application/x-java-applet;version=1.2 Java Applet Yes
application/x-java-bean;version=1.2 JavaBeans Yes
application/x-java-applet;version=1.1.3 Java Applet Yes
application/x-java-bean;version=1.1.3 JavaBeans Yes
application/x-java-applet;version=1.1.2 Java Applet Yes
application/x-java-bean;version=1.1.2 JavaBeans Yes
Java(TM) 2 Platform Standard Edition 5.0 Update 4

File name: NPJava13.dll
Java Plug-in 1.5.0_04 for Netscape Navigator (DLL Helper)

MIME Type Description Suffixes Enabled
application/x-java-applet;version=1.3.1 Java Applet Yes
application/x-java-bean;version=1.3.1 JavaBeans Yes
application/x-java-applet;version=1.4 Java Applet Yes
application/x-java-bean;version=1.4 JavaBeans Yes
application/x-java-applet;version=1.4.1 Java Applet Yes
application/x-java-bean;version=1.4.1 JavaBeans Yes
Java(TM) 2 Platform Standard Edition 5.0 Update 4

File name: NPJava14.dll
Java Plug-in 1.5.0_04 for Netscape Navigator (DLL Helper)

MIME Type Description Suffixes Enabled
application/x-java-applet;version=1.4.2 Java Applet Yes
application/x-java-bean;version=1.4.2 JavaBeans Yes
application/x-java-applet;version=1.5 Java Applet Yes
application/x-java-bean;version=1.5 JavaBeans Yes
Java(TM) 2 Platform Standard Edition 5.0 Update 4

File name: NPJava32.dll
Java Plug-in 1.5.0_04 for Netscape Navigator (DLL Helper)

MIME Type Description Suffixes Enabled
application/x-java-applet;version=1.3 Java Applet Yes
application/x-java-bean;version=1.3 JavaBeans Yes
application/x-java-applet;version=1.2.2 Java Applet Yes
application/x-java-bean;version=1.2.2 JavaBeans Yes
application/x-java-applet;version=1.2.1 Java Applet Yes
application/x-java-bean;version=1.2.1 JavaBeans Yes
Microsoft® DRM

[Cam]

Theres an Update 6 out there, but I doubt that it is the problem. I have seen it with older versions of Java it would cause things to quit funtioning and leave behind the zombi processes like you describe. Have not had it happen since JRE 5.0 tho. Let me think on it a little more.

[G.]

I see. I think Microsoft has helped a lot by finally adding the automatic updates (I'm not sure what versions it is for, I know 2K and XP at least.)Do you guys just let MS push patches out to your OS willynilly? I would think that someday the patch is going to **** with something else you have running, after which BSOD ensues.

I just do manual updates, after setting a recover point up, of course.

[Cam]

Does this (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=239223) look familliar T7?

[Turn7]

Does this (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=239223) look familliar T7?

Yes. Some of it. I'll have to fiddle with it when I get back home and see if I can start disabling some of the extensions.

Thanks for the research Cam!.

[Insomniac]

Do you guys just let MS push patches out to your OS willynilly? I would think that someday the patch is going to **** with something else you have running, after which BSOD ensues.

I just do manual updates, after setting a recover point up, of course.

I'm not sure what their procedure is. I do know no one has to do anything except leave their PCs on. :) Never seen a BSOD. But, like I said, the PCs are locked down. We can only install a few optional programs.

[G.]

Never seen a BSOD. .
YOU'RE THE ONE!!!!!


BSOD= Blue Screen Of Death.

You know, when Winders hangs up. :)

[Insomniac]

YOU'RE THE ONE!!!!!


BSOD= Blue Screen Of Death.

You know, when Winders hangs up. :)

I've definitely seen them many a time. I just meant on my work computer not adminstered by me. It was a surreal experience going from Windows 98 SE to 2000. Had no idea BSOD didn't have to be a feature. ;)

[KLang]

Do you guys just let MS push patches out to your OS willynilly? I would think that someday the patch is going to **** with something else you have running, after which BSOD ensues.

I just do manual updates, after setting a recover point up, of course.

On our home pc's we do take the automatic updates and have never had any problems. At work our firewall won't allow the connection, so i take my work laptop and get the updates through my home network.