run b!#^@es, run [Archive] - Page 4

Gnam

08-02-10, 01:21 PM

"Lockheed Martin confirms the US Air Force has decided to retain tooling for the F-22 after the production line in Marietta, Georgia, shuts down as scheduled in 2012.

The decision means that USAF officials will be able to repair and modernise the service's aircraft, or manufacture new Raptors."

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2010/07/30/345519/lockheed-to-preserve-f-22-tooling-for-future-use.html

b!#^@es better keep running. :thumbup:

stroker

08-02-10, 07:00 PM

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2010/07/30/345519/lockheed-to-preserve-f-22-tooling-for-future-use.html

b!#^@es better keep running. :thumbup:

so is that a hedge against our needing to sell some to somebody else down the line or is that a hedge against us needing to build more for ourselves?

Ankf00

08-02-10, 07:40 PM

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2010/07/30/345519/lockheed-to-preserve-f-22-tooling-for-future-use.html

b!#^@es better keep running. :thumbup:

niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii iiice [/southpark PD]

Gnam

08-02-10, 07:49 PM

so is that a hedge against our needing to sell some to somebody else down the line or is that a hedge against us needing to build more for ourselves?
Not to get political, but I think it's a hedge against budget policy changing.

cameraman

08-02-10, 11:46 PM

so is that a hedge against our needing to sell some to somebody else down the line or is that a hedge against us needing to build more for ourselves?

It is also too expensive to scrap if there is any possible hope for more orders. And it isn't like there is a newer plane coming down the line any time soon.

Elmo T

08-09-10, 08:49 AM

Some nice photos of the joint exercise Vigilant Eagle 2010 (http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=238927&id=49769178351)

SurfaceUnits

09-15-10, 12:28 PM

Saudis, U.S. near $60 billion arms deal
Record sale of jets, helicopters is seen as way to counter Iran

F-15 fighter jets are widely deployed across the U.S. military, and Saudi Arabia might soon be buying 84 from the U.S.msnbc.com news services
updated 9/13/2010 4:44:14 PM ET

-WASHINGTON — The Obama administration will soon notify Congress of an arms package for Saudi Arabia worth up to $60 billion, U.S. officials said Monday, a potentially record-breaking deal that may help counter Iran\\\'s growing regional muscle.

The deal would apparently represent the largest single U.S. arms sale ever approved. It would allow Saudi Arabia, the most militarily advanced of the Arab Gulf states and one of the richest countries in the world, to buy top-line U.S.-made helicopters and fighter jets with ranges that would span the Middle East and beyond.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39151164/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa

And i thought Browser Helper Object was going to bring peace not more death and destruction

cameraman

09-15-10, 12:48 PM

J.O.B.S.

That would be a lot of them.

KLang

09-15-10, 01:19 PM

Throwing a bone to the defense industry. I suspect this won't make up for the other cuts coming in the future.

dando

09-15-10, 01:23 PM

J.O.B.S.

That would be a lot of them.

One word: elections. :saywhat: :shakehead

-Kevin

cameraman

09-15-10, 03:37 PM

One word: elections. :saywhat: :shakehead

-Kevin

It is normal military/industrial business. It's been going on for over half a century now. How is this any different from any of the thousands of sales that have gone on before it (beyond the inflation adjustment on the bottom line:eek:)?

nrc

09-15-10, 07:48 PM

They promised the Israelis that the Saudis wouldn't get the really top of the line stuff. So F15s with a needle and ball guage and a Norden bomb sight. :gomer:

They're in kind of a pinch. If they don't sell them something 60 billion will buy a lot of Euro or Russian gear.

I suppose only the intelligence folks know whether the Saudis have clamped down enough on support for terrorism.

Gnam

09-15-10, 09:03 PM

I suppose only the intelligence folks know whether the Saudis have clamped down enough on support for terrorism.
Within Saudi Arabia absolutely. Outside the country...

TrueBrit

09-16-10, 11:14 AM

Within Saudi Arabia absolutely. Outside the country...

Hardly...

stroker

09-16-10, 12:36 PM

They're in kind of a pinch. If they don't sell them something 60 billion will buy a lot of clay pigeons for F-22's and F-35's.

fixed that for ya.

:D

Gangrel

09-16-10, 02:39 PM

60 billion will buy a lot of clay pigeons for F-22's and F-35's.

Last time I checked, that's what the f-15s would be, anyways...

one other thing to put this bad-assery in perspective...

During testing an F-22A went up against 4 top of the line F-15's. It shot down all 4 within a minute and was never detected on radar.

FOUR OF THE GREATEST FIGHTER JETS IN THE WORLD taken out w/in one minute by an unknown source.

racermike

09-22-10, 12:03 AM

http://imgur.com/QfmN0.jpg

Methanolandbrats

09-22-10, 12:09 AM

That would be a fun job screwing that stuff together :thumbup:

chop456

09-22-10, 01:08 AM

Plus if you miss a rivet or something - who cares? There's like a hundred of them.

emjaya

11-17-10, 05:40 PM

Elmo T

11-17-10, 06:03 PM

THE US Air Force is searching for one of its Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor fighter jets today after it failed to return to base

No mention of an ELT? :confused:

Gnam

11-17-10, 08:16 PM

Hope the pilot is okay.
Alaska is not emergency friendly.

grungex

11-18-10, 12:58 AM

Not good. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/17/AR2010111700722.html)

"An aerial search was scheduled to continue throughout the night for the pilot of an Air Force F-22 fighter jet that crashed in a remote area of interior Alaska during a training exercise."

SurfaceUnits

12-03-10, 07:08 PM

X-37B robot space plane returns to Earth

Unmanned Air Force craft was on mission for seven months

After seven months in space, the U.S. Air Force's secretive X-37B unmanned space plane returned to Earth on Friday to wrap up a debut flight shrouded in secrecy.

The robotic X-37B space plane landed at Vandenberg Air Force Base in California to end its maiden voyage. The space plane, also known as Orbital Test Vehicle 1, glided back to Earth over the Pacific Ocean before landing at the revamped Vandenberg runway at about 1:16 a.m. PT Dec. 3.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40491145/ns/technology_and_science-space/?gt1=43001

30th Space Wing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/30th_Space_Wing

12-03-10, 07:15 PM

Did it bring back any Arsenicians?

Gnam

12-03-10, 09:41 PM

THE US Air Force is searching for one of its Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor fighter jets today after it failed to return to base following a routine training mission yesterday.

http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/us-fighter-jet-goes-missing/story-e6frfku0-1225955297668

They found the plane. Pilot didn't make it out. :(
The training mission was at night, but no word if that was a contribuiting factor.

http://www.examiner.com/aviation-community-in-anchorage/downed-alaska-f-22-claims-pilot

emjaya

12-03-10, 11:24 PM

Last F 111 flight.

waMrzC1Rul8

SurfaceUnits

12-04-10, 01:39 AM

http://www.current-movie-reviews.com/tv/2010/12/03/ventura-show-fema-episode-censored-watch-it-here-while-you-can/

datachicane

12-06-10, 04:41 AM

http://www.current-movie-reviews.com/tv/2010/12/03/ventura-show-fema-episode-censored-watch-it-here-while-you-can/

:rofl::rofl::rofl:
http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/upload/2009/04/weekend_diversion_do_tinfoil_h/tinfoil-hat.jpg

chop456

12-06-10, 05:13 AM

:rofl::rofl::rofl:
http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/upload/2009/04/weekend_diversion_do_tinfoil_h/tinfoil-hat.jpg

Laugh now.

While you can.

:laugh:

SurfaceUnits

12-08-10, 06:51 PM

Laugh now.

While you can.

:laugh:

HOw deos it feel to be one of the b!#^@es

datachicane

12-08-10, 07:57 PM

The exact same paranoid FEMA rantings have been circulating for over thirty years now. If it really is a shadowy conspiracy to impose martial law, they're the most amazingly patient shadowy would-be tyrants in the history of paranoid rantings. Entire empires of questionable pattern recognition have risen and fallen in less time.

Maybe the suspense is part of the terror, sort of like being eaten by snails...

:rofl:

SurfaceUnits

12-09-10, 11:23 AM

it took them that long to get the new Denver airport up and going

Andrew Longman

12-09-10, 11:56 AM

The exact same paranoid FEMA rantings have been circulating for over thirty years now. If it really is a shadowy conspiracy to impose martial law, they're the most amazingly patient shadowy would-be tyrants in the history of paranoid rantings. And FEMA missed its chance to tip/deploy its shadowy martial law hand five years ago in NO.:shakehead

Methanolandbrats

12-09-10, 12:11 PM

We're only one terrorist attack away from throwing people in prison forever with no due process, national ID cards, severely restricted everything, all phones and email tapped, big business grabbing their ankles to provide the government anything they want, etc.... anyone remember this guy?

http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/rr169/Stephanie1979_bucket/mine/Politics/political-pictures-joe-mccarthy-wit.jpg

or this? https://coreycr0708.wikispaces.com/file/view/Order_9066.jpg/34427571/Order_9066.jpg

chop456

12-09-10, 01:02 PM

anyone remember this guy?

Why do you think I moved to Wisconsin? :D

Methanolandbrats

12-09-10, 01:17 PM

Why do you think I moved to Wisconsin? :D

Cheap beer and the cuisine?

SurfaceUnits

12-10-10, 12:58 PM

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7158

datachicane

12-10-10, 02:07 PM

http://www.scientificamerican.com/media/inline/blog/Image/Rorschach_blot_04.jpg

Methanolandbrats

12-10-10, 02:11 PM

^
Endive?

stroker

12-10-10, 04:15 PM

Looks like the face of something that menaced me in a early version of DOOM...

SurfaceUnits

12-11-10, 03:37 AM

Haliburton bought up the BP oil spill cleanup company....eleven days before they blew the well.

cameraman

12-11-10, 03:46 AM

mmm'kay. I've got a bottle of wine in me and I'm as confused as i am drunk. What the holy hell is this thread about (aboot if you're from the great white north)?

oddlycalm

12-11-10, 04:51 AM

^
Endive?
Road kill?

SurfaceUnits

12-11-10, 11:09 AM

mmm'kay. I've got a bottle of wine in me and I'm as confused as i am drunk. What the holy hell is this thread about (aboot if you're from the great white north)?

Scotland is England's Canada

SurfaceUnits

12-16-10, 04:30 AM

mmm'kay. I've got a bottle of wine in me and I'm as confused as i am drunk. What the holy hell is this thread about (aboot if you're from the great white north)?

apparently them 'Muricans think only furinners are b!#^@es, little do they realize they may be the biggest b!#^@es of all.

As a direct result of Haliburton's timely buy and the even more timely oil well blowout, they were able to report a 83% increase in operating revenue for the quarter. I also heard that Haliburton has moved its HQ out of Houston to Abu Dhabi

Ankf00

12-16-10, 05:02 AM

Why do you think I moved to Wisconsin? :D

easy fat chicks?

Ankf00

12-16-10, 05:03 AM

I also heard that Haliburton has moved its HQ out of Houston to Abu Dhabi

rather, they're copying SLB's model of multiple, globally-located HQ's to more effectively serve their primary customers

KLang

12-16-10, 09:52 AM

rather, they're copying SLB's model of multiple, globally-located HQ's to more effectively serve their primary customers

Yep and that happened a year or two ago.

EDwardo

01-05-11, 12:26 PM

Chinese J-20 Stealth Fighter In Taxi Tests

China’s first known stealth aircraft just emerged from a secret development program and was undergoing high-speed taxi tests late last week at Chengdu Aircraft Design Institute’s airfield. Said to be designated J-20, it is larger than most observers expected—pointing to long range and heavy weapon loads.

http://www.aviationweek.com/media/images/defense_images/Fighters/J-20Stealth-China-ViaChineseInternet.jpg

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_generic.jsp?channel=awst&id=news/awst/2011/01/03/AW_01_03_2011_p18-279564.xml

KLang

01-05-11, 02:22 PM

Chinese J-20 Stealth Fighter In Taxi Tests

http://www.aviationweek.com/media/images/defense_images/Fighters/J-20Stealth-China-ViaChineseInternet.jpg

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_generic.jsp?channel=awst&id=news/awst/2011/01/03/AW_01_03_2011_p18-279564.xml

The answer to anyone wondering why we still need stuff like the F-22.

Gnam

01-05-11, 02:50 PM

No, no, no. That big black plane is a symbol of peace and love.
The J-20 is your friend. :)

nrc

01-05-11, 03:22 PM

The answer to anyone wondering why we still need stuff like the F-22.

But it will be decades before there are any credible threats. :rolleyes:

But one of the prime considerations for this bird is likely as a threat to counter the U.S. throwing our carrier task force weight around. It's a threat similar to what the F14 was designed to counter - long range threats to the carrier force. Even if the stealth capabilities are rudimentary this bird might be able to get within cruise missile range before an F35 could intercept.

SurfaceUnits

01-05-11, 05:48 PM

that's why they have these

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RIM-116_Rolling_Airframe_Missile

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phalanx_CIWS

devilmaster

01-05-11, 06:30 PM

Rims and seawizzes are last ditch efforts... on a ship, if you're banking and hoping on those, you're also in full combat fire gear preparing to be hit.

I also watched a seawizz miss on a pass by a straight and level target drone being dragged by a T-33 Silver Star at about 400 mph.

I was a sailor who would have been exposed on the flag deck during action(battle) stations. The seawizz missing a perpendicular drone run was a sobering thought.

SurfaceUnits

01-21-11, 01:21 PM

THZvZ6S4C14

nrc

02-06-11, 07:51 PM

Navy stealth bomber drone makes it's first flight.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2011/02/06/2011-02-06_navy_unveils_new_batwinged_stealth_bomber_unman ned_x47b_is_militarys_deadliest_n.html

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2011/02/07/alg_military.jpg

SteveH

02-06-11, 07:56 PM

^ very cool, video of flight at the link you posted.

Also this little nugget tucked away

Last month, the Navy held a secret test flight of a massive new spy plane with a wingspan that approaches a Boeing 747's.

That plane, the hydrogen-fueled Global Observer, can fly for a week at a time at 65,000 feet and can capture an area larger than Afghanistan at a single glance.

:cool:

02-07-11, 12:32 AM

China can take care of that. They have the need, the NEED FOR SPEED!

China-red-faced-after-footage-of-new-fighter-was-from-Top-Gun.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/8291729/China-red-faced-after-footage-of-new-fighter-was-from-Top-Gun.html)

mapguy

02-07-11, 07:59 PM

stroker

02-08-11, 12:40 AM

Can we say oops?

They never apologize for anything else, why would they start now?

dando

08-11-11, 10:09 AM

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/aug/10/us-military-fastest-plane-falcon

By the time you finish reading this sentence, the Falcon HTV-2, the fastest plane ever built, could have flown 18 miles. It would get from London to Sydney in less than an hour, while withstanding temperatures of almost 2,000C, hotter than the melting point of steel.

At 3pm BST on Thursday , the US Defence Advance Research Projects Agency will launch the Falcon Hypersonic Technology Vehicle 2 on the back of a rocket from the Vandenberg Air Force Base in California. If all goes to plan, engineers will launch the Falcon HTV-2 to the edge of space, before detaching the plane and guiding it on a hypersonic flight that will reach speeds of 13,000mph (about 20 times the speed of sound) on its return to Earth.

:eek:

-Kevin

Gnam

08-11-11, 01:39 PM

0 for 2.

Reports say the aircraft was lost.

racer2c

08-11-11, 02:03 PM

0 for 2.

Reports say the aircraft was lost.

If I find it I'm keeping it.

dando

08-11-11, 02:05 PM

Ru'roh.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_HYPERSONIC_GLIDER?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-08-11-12-46-49

:saywhat:

-Kevin

Elmo T

08-11-11, 02:27 PM

Be on the lookout...

http://i52.tinypic.com/k4a03t.jpg

racermike

09-01-11, 11:55 AM

F-22's back in the air after 4 months, with oxygen supply system problem still not solved.

http://defensenews.com/story.php?i=7552602&c=AME&s=AIR

chop456

09-01-11, 01:23 PM

http://defensenews.com/story.php?i=7552602&c=AME&s=AIR

"Mainly, they have pressure to fly the jet to stop the bad press about the $100-plus- million static displays,"

:laugh:

racermike

10-21-11, 02:10 PM

F22 Grounded again, pilot had to return as he could not breathe.

emjaya

11-16-11, 07:20 AM

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/nov/16/harrier-fleet-sold-us-military

Britain's entire fleet of Harrier jump jets, the veteran plane scrapped in last year's defence review, has been saved - by the American military.

All 74 of the planes are to fly again for the US marines in a deal that is expected to be closed within a week.

SurfaceUnits

11-16-11, 12:04 PM

US to invade Australia...run b!#^@es, run

2500 troops to be deployed in response to China's expansion in the region

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_dNqr7GAPDV0/SxOSPZtvUfI/AAAAAAAAASM/W9MBl5byLps/s1600/Gold_Coast_Meter_Maids.jpg

Gnam

11-16-11, 12:52 PM

Execellence in posting. :thumbup:

nrc

11-17-11, 12:18 AM

So the Marines will be picking up both Brit and Aussie birds. :D

Sounds like they're hedging their bets against the possible loss of the STOVL version of the F35.

Ankf00

11-17-11, 01:07 PM

DoD's run by monkies. Fan of augmenting aerial fleet with UCAV's, even replacing most of the manned fleet, but there's a glaring weakness in the form of the communications link.

We're always working on next gen comms equipment and systems, and integrating that with our existing and upcoming hardware, but a certain country with armies of engineers is always working on ways to interrupt those systems. Can't interrupt a man in a plane that has mechanical back-up systems

nrc

11-17-11, 06:20 PM

Say hello to my little friend.

http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2011-11/66140378.jpg

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-bunker-buster-bomb-20111117,0,3582708.story

Seems like just the thing for a certain peaceful civilian nuke program. :gomer:

Gnam

11-17-11, 07:06 PM

So the Marines will be picking up both Brit and Aussie birds. :D

Sounds like they're hedging their bets against the possible loss of the STOVL version of the F35.

Story on how the Marines cornered those Brit birds.

http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/2011/11/defense-us-marines-wont-fly-harriers-111711/

SurfaceUnits

11-17-11, 08:29 PM

Al Czervik

11-17-11, 08:33 PM

Gnam

11-18-11, 01:45 PM

No Slim Pickens, but how about a hypersonic bomb capable of Mach 5.

http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/6180/hypersonicweapon.jpg

The US Army's AHW project is part of the "Prompt Global Strike" program which seeks to give the US military the means to deliver conventional weapons anywhere in the world within an hour.

http://news.yahoo.com/pentagon-successfully-tests-hypersonic-flying-bomb-175200001.html

http://defensetech.org/2011/11/17/army-successfully-tests-hypersonic-weapon-design/

KLang

11-18-11, 02:33 PM

They need to figure out how to combine the two. :thumbup:

Gnam

11-19-11, 02:57 AM

Lockheed awarded $7.4 Billion contract to knock the F-22 back into shape.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2011/11/18/national/w162630S90.DTL&tsp=1

cue training montage...

DP3MFBzMH2o

emjaya

11-25-11, 10:37 PM

stroker

11-25-11, 10:57 PM

Pigs in a hole.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/3/191570f111sdumpednearip.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/3/191570f111sdumpednearip.jpg/

Story (http://www.couriermail.com.au/questnews/ipswich/raaf-base-amberley-f-111-fighter-jets-end-up-on-swanbank-landfill-site-near-ipswich/story-fn8m0yo2-1226204896564)

O/T: is the photo showing? I added the link if not.

dunno 'bout you guys, but I'd think a Vaark cockpit would make one hell of a start to an arcade flight simulator. Can't believe that nobody would have given them more than the cost of two hours worth of bulldozer...

datachicane

11-26-11, 05:32 AM

Pigs in a hole.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/3/191570f111sdumpednearip.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/3/191570f111sdumpednearip.jpg/

Story (http://www.couriermail.com.au/questnews/ipswich/raaf-base-amberley-f-111-fighter-jets-end-up-on-swanbank-landfill-site-near-ipswich/story-fn8m0yo2-1226204896564)

O/T: is the photo showing? I added the link if not.

Fixrd:
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/5339/191570f111sdumpednearip.jpg

SurfaceUnits

11-26-11, 03:29 PM

what is gone to do the dump and burn at all the big OZ events now?

NismoZ

11-26-11, 04:02 PM

Geez Indycar could have USED those!:irked:,

cameraman

11-26-11, 04:37 PM

Why in the holy hell didn't they shred & recycle them?

NismoZ

11-26-11, 04:47 PM

Betting a lot of that stuff ain't recyclable? Or it's way to expensive to do it?

emjaya

11-26-11, 09:48 PM

what is gone to do the dump and burn at all the big OZ events now?

The big fireworks show in Brisbane just wasn't the same without them this year. The new Super Hornets did a fly over, but it wasn't the same.

Why in the holy hell didn't they shred & recycle them?

Good question. There was something about the US Gov having a say in how they are disposed, but when that was agreed to, the sixties when they were first purchased or with the later eighties buy up, I don't know.

They kept seven, they are up for tender to established museums only. That's one for each state and one for the national museum, so I think they already have a fair idea who is getting one.

KLang

12-01-11, 09:17 AM

Look Ma, no steam!

CSZr58hH_cI

F-35C launch via new EMALS catapult system.

Ankf00

12-01-11, 12:24 PM

Betting a lot of that stuff ain't recyclable? Or it's way to expensive to do it?

recycling all that has to be cheaper than mining + smelting + rolling new forms

SurfaceUnits

12-05-11, 11:04 PM

IRAN it will be American and Israel last WAR! The Planet will be FREE from American Israel wars! No More wars! Iran have Tesla Technology , Rusian, Chines, Technology ANTIGRAVITY! Plasma Technology and ANTIMATER weapons..You go to atack Iran? You going to be COOK alive!(first read MEHRAN KESHE)Then attack Iran..Iran have UFO-Technology this is not bare foot Avgans! Iranian Air planes have plasma generators they can com to America from Iran in 6minuts radar invisible! You no want to **** with Iran!

You American imperialist have been warned

dando

05-10-12, 01:07 AM

So what's up with this?

http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/05/09/mystery-of-f-22-illnesses-grows/?hpt=hp_t2

Even as the Air Force searches for the reason pilots are getting sick flying the F-22, a new mystery about the troubled stealth fighter jet has come to light: Why are mechanics on the ground getting sick in the plane as well?

The Air Force has been looking into a number of reports that pilots experienced "hypoxia-like symptoms" aboard F-22s since April 2008. Hypoxia is oxygen deficiency.

The Air Force reports 25 cases of such systems, including 11 since September, when the service cleared the F-22 fleet to return to flight after a four-month grounding.

The fleet was grounded in May 2011 so the service could check the hypoxia reports, but the order was lifted in September under a "return to fly" plan, with equipment modifications and new rules including daily inspections of the life-support systems.

"Early on in the return to fly we had five maintainers that reported hypoxia symptoms," Gen. Daniel Wyman, command surgeon for the Air Combat Command, said during a conference call with reporters Wednesday.

-Kevin

cameraman

05-10-12, 01:40 AM

Andrew Longman

05-10-12, 07:08 AM

I'm going to hazard a guess that the plane uses some kind of super secret coating that maybe reduces radar returns or something like that. Given its super secret nature it probably has had little to no safety testing. I would not be surprised to find out that one of the compounds interferes with oxygen binding or CO2 release in the blood. You breath in too much and lights out. Perhaps it only happens when the surface get hot, making it all the harder to detect.
So like how that "new car smell" makes some people sick.

I'd like to know what they mean by "hypoxia symptoms". Do they actually have too little O2 in their blood or do they just puke? One is a lot easier to explain that other.

Elmo T

05-10-12, 08:28 AM

A little more here (http://www.militarytimes.com/news/2012/05/air-force-f22-maintainers-illness-050712/) from the Military Times.

The Air Force is in the process of providing maintainers with off-the-shelf canisters to trap and release air during maintenance if they experience breathing problems. The basketball-sized containers, called Summa canisters, measure the air quality around maintainers. They can take an air sample with the turn of a valve if maintainers smell or feel anything unusual.

Measurement of oxygen level in the onboard systems would be fairly easy. Same for testing blood gases - albeit an unpleasant blood draw.

Testing for contaminants is tougher. Maybe something that off-gases when it is heated.

The articles mention flight dynamics as a possible cause for the pilots. Psychosomatic symptoms for the flight crews? We had a hazmat job a few years back - saw a half a dozen emergency workers transported to hospital with symptoms of oxygen deprivation. This was after a reading of low O2 levels by FD. Turns out the meter was not properly calibrated and the air was fine. :saywhat:

Andrew Longman

05-10-12, 09:08 AM

The articles mention flight dynamics as a possible cause for the pilots. Psychosomatic symptoms for the flight crews?

Reminds me of The Red Sweat Mystery: The problem-- http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2206&dat=19800311&id=T8slAAAAIBAJ&sjid=WPMFAAAAIBAJ&pg=5023,92595

The solution: http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=932&dat=19800320&id=zu9PAAAAIBAJ&sjid=bVMDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6355,1472218

Took Eastern Airlines months to solve it. "Mass hysteria" was one possible cause seriously considered. Problem would have been solved very quickly if they asked the question, "What do you mean red sweat?" and actually bothered to go look at the problem (they eventually did). That would have been too easy. I've used this story to help teach problem solving for 25 years.

Gnam

05-10-12, 12:09 PM

Didn't they see Apollo 13? Someone should check if a square CO2 scrubber is jammed into a round hole. :gomer:

It seems it was all just a misunderstanding between friends. The two pilots say they are ready to resume flying the F-22, and the Air Force won't punish them for being whistleblowers. Riiiiiight... :rolleyes:

http://warnerrobinspatriot.com/bookmark/18537755-Two-Guard-pilots-now-say-they-are-ready-to-resume-flying-the-F-22-Raptor

In other news, a squadron of 24 Raptors was deployed to the Gulf in April. I think it's the first time they've been stationed outside a US territory. Hopefully, the problem has been solved and they just aren't telling anyone.

http://www.dailypress.com/news/breaking/dp-f22-raptors-quietly-deployed-to-middle-east-20120429,0,4981631.story