run b!#^@es, run

[Gnam]

F-22 Raptors put on a leash until oxygen problem fixed.

AP article (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jWQ38GprUNSYhdc-b3ylkQHzipuw?docId=7808fe61d5704c93a4378d93dc38b35 e)

Well, at least the skies over Air Force bases will be safe. :gomer:

[chop456]

So crack the window open a little bit. Babies.

[G.]

So crack the window open a little bit. Babies.

Keeps on blowing the ash off their smokes.

[dando]

http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/13/sources-flight-suit-could-be-cause-of-oxygen-loss-in-f-22-flights/?hpt=hp_t2

Flight suit the issue? Which begs the question as to why the maintenance guys are getting sick, too. :saywhat:

-Kevin

[SurfaceUnits]

http://dailynightly.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/04/12565677-uss-iowa-the-last-battleship-filled-with-memories-as-it-arrives-at-new-home?lite

[SteveH]

Pentagon’s 30,000-pound bunker-buster ‘superbomb’ ready for use

http://www.rt.com/news/massive-ordnance-penetrator-bomb-bunker-buster-144/

[Gnam]

It's gonna be a hot time in the ol'e uranium enrichment facility tonite!

I didn't realize it was a guided missile. I thought they just pushed it out the back of a B-52 and let gravity do the work.

[nrc]

This is the first time I'd heard that it can penetrate two HUNdred feet of concrete. :eek: Punch a hole with that thing and then chuck some thermobaric bombs into the hole and hope you can burn the whole thing out.

[Elmo T]

I am surprised they designed this for the B-52's. I figured this would be part of a more "surgical" strike using B-2's - maybe it is too large for the bomb bay?

[cameraman]

It fits in both. The picture at the top of the story is in a B-2.

[Gnam]

Caught on the ground.

Six of the jump-jets were destroyed, and two were seriously damaged in the attack, in which insurgents disguised in U.S. Army uniforms managed to breach the perimeter of the heavily fortified base.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443816804578002651859024198.html?m od=WSJ_hpp_LEFTTopStories#articleTabs%3Darticle

When was the last time American fighter planes were destroyed on the ground by enemy action? :(

It also reminds me of a scene in Red Dawn, which is not cool.

[stroker]

Caught on the ground.


When was the last time American fighter planes were destroyed on the ground by enemy action? :(

It also reminds me of a scene in Red Dawn, which is not cool.

you mean those Puerto Rican bastards who blew up a bunch of ANG planes and were subsequently pardoned by the Clintons?

[Gnam]

I honestly don't know.

Found this though:

Warren cited a real-world example from 2007. When a new fleet of helicopters arrived with an aviation unit at a base in Iraq, some Soldiers took pictures on the flightline, he said. From the photos that were uploaded to the Internet, the enemy was able to determine the exact location of the helicopters inside the compound and conduct a mortar attack, destroying four of the AH-64 Apaches.

http://www.army.mil/article/75165/Geotagging_poses_security_risks

[Methanolandbrats]

^^^ :rofl:

[SteveH]

Boeing Successfully Tests Microwave Missile That Takes Out Electronic Targets


(http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2012/10/25/boeing-successfully-tests-microwave-missile-that-takes-out-electronic-targets/)


The missile, known as CHAMP (Counter-electronics High-powered Advanced Missile Project), fired a burst of High Powered Microwaves at the building, successfully knocking out the electronic systems and computers, and even taking out the television cameras recording the test.


This just in, muskets are still effective.

[G.]

Boeing Successfully Tests Microwave Missile That Takes Out Electronic Targets


(http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2012/10/25/boeing-successfully-tests-microwave-missile-that-takes-out-electronic-targets/)




This just in, muskets are still effective.

I don't have any more room in my Doomsday spiderhole.!

:gomer:

[stroker]

Can't wait to find out what one of those will do when applied at someplace like O'Hare International. I'm sure a complete shutdown of all air-traffic control and loss of all on-board electronics for planes landing/taking off will be handled smoothly...

[SurfaceUnits]

North Korean army minister 'executed with mortar round'

A North Korean army minister was executed with a mortar round for reportedly drinking and carousing during the official mourning period after Kim Jong-il's death.

Kim Chol, vice minister of the army, was taken into custody earlier this year on the orders of Kim Jong-un, who assumed the leadership after the death of his father in December.

On the orders of Kim Jong-un to leave "no trace of him behind, down to his hair," according to South Korean media, Kim Chol was forced to stand on a spot that had been zeroed in for a mortar round and "obliterated."

The execution of Kim Chol is just one example of a purge of members of the North Korean military or party who threatened the fledgling regime of Kim Jong-un.

So far this year, 14 senior officials have fallen victim to the purges, according to intelligence data provided to Yoon Sang-hyun, a member of the South Korean Foreign Affairs, Trade and Unification Committee.

Those that have fallen from favour include Ri Yong-ho, the head of the army and Ri Kwang-gon, the governor of the North Korean central bank.

http://freeproxyserver.net/index.php?q=aHR0cDovL2kudGVsZWdyYXBoLmNvLnVrL211bH RpbWVkaWEvYXJjaGl2ZS8wMjM3Ny9DMzFBWU5fMjM3NzgzOGIu anBn


FORWARD!!!

[Andrew Longman]

Well at least he got a chance to drink and carouse which is better than most folks get in N Korea.

It does seem to have a certain Monty Python quality to it though.

zP8Kah6vXsQ

[G.]

North Korean army minister 'executed with mortar round'

A North Korean army minister was executed with a mortar round for reportedly drinking and carousing during the official mourning period after Kim Jong-il's death.

Kim Chol, vice minister of the army, was taken into custody earlier this year on the orders of Kim Jong-un, who assumed the leadership after the death of his father in December.

On the orders of Kim Jong-un to leave "no trace of him behind, down to his hair," according to South Korean media, Kim Chol was forced to stand on a spot that had been zeroed in for a mortar round and "obliterated."

The execution of Kim Chol is just one example of a purge of members of the North Korean military or party who threatened the fledgling regime of Kim Jong-un.

So far this year, 14 senior officials have fallen victim to the purges, according to intelligence data provided to Yoon Sang-hyun, a member of the South Korean Foreign Affairs, Trade and Unification Committee.

Those that have fallen from favour include Ri Yong-ho, the head of the army and Ri Kwang-gon, the governor of the North Korean central bank.

http://freeproxyserver.net/index.php?q=aHR0cDovL2kudGVsZWdyYXBoLmNvLnVrL211bH RpbWVkaWEvYXJjaGl2ZS8wMjM3Ny9DMzFBWU5fMjM3NzgzOGIu anBn


FORWARD!!!

Why do I find this absolutely funny as hell? :laugh:

North Korea - the Rednecks of Asia, y'all.

I thought that the post-Ill purge would be bigger than just 14 though. :yuck:

[Gnam]

Boeing Successfully Tests Microwave Missile That Takes Out Electronic Targets (http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2012/10/25/boeing-successfully-tests-microwave-missile-that-takes-out-electronic-targets/)

I wonder what happens to the missile after it microwaves it's target.
Self destruct explosive?
Return home?
Hit something hard?

[Dvdb]

I'm beginning to wonder about you people. WTF finds a Monty Python video for this thread?

[G.]

I wonder what happens to the missile after it microwaves it's target.
Self destruct explosive?
Return home?
Hit something hard?
Depends on the delivery system, I guess.

Sounds like something that could be put into the nose of a plane, on a UAV, in a suitcase, or a missile warhead. Options, options.

I want to know what our super-high-tech military has for counter-measures for this. Our military tech is a HUGE force multiplier. If that gets buggered, even the best trained soldiers aren't going to stop wave after wave of motivated forces.

This always bugged me during the cold war as well. Stupid Soviet jets, with their old tube-amp computers would apparently survive an EMP burst.

[dando]

Depends on the delivery system, I guess.

Sounds like something that could be put into the nose of a plane, on a UAV, in a suitcase, or a missile warhead. Options, options.

I want to know what our super-high-tech military has for counter-measures for this. Our military tech is a HUGE force multiplier. If that gets buggered, even the best trained soldiers aren't going to stop wave after wave of motivated forces.

This always bugged me during the cold war as well. Stupid Soviet jets, with their old tube-amp computers would apparently survive an EMP burst.

EG3g8Saea5E

-Kevin

[Gnam]

There used to be 12. There are now 11 (10 Nimitz class + Enterprise). If the new Ford Class carrier is delayed until after the Enterprise is decommissioned there will only be 10.

...and then there were 10.

USS Enterprise completes last patrol.
http://www.sfgate.com/news/us/article/USS-Enterprise-completes-its-final-voyage-4007079.php

Second oldest ship in the Navy. Only the Revolutionary War frigate USS Constitution is older. She's to be towed to Bremerton, WA where her reactors will be taken out.

She was a good ship.

[KLang]

Wow, christened September 24th 1960. 52 years old.

[Napoleon]

52 years old.

Great, I am now older then every ship in the navy except one that is too rickety to take out of port.

[Andrew Longman]

Yes and a great legacy name going back to WWII. I wonder if the current trend to name carriers after people -- most presidents living and dead will ever see an exception to name a carrier Enterprise again.

[chop456]

Great, I am now older then every ship in the navy except one that is too rickety to take out of port.

So there's a parallel.

[KLang]

Yes and a great legacy name going back to WWII. I wonder if the current trend to name carriers after people -- most presidents living and dead will ever see an exception to name a carrier Enterprise again.

I don't see any more carriers in our future. They better think of something else to name Enterprise.

[mapguy]

Yes and a great legacy name going back to WWII. I wonder if the current trend to name carriers after people -- most presidents living and dead will ever see an exception to name a carrier Enterprise again.

They should never have named carriers after presidents IMO. Any new carrier should have a more historically significant name. Like Hornet, Yorktown and Lexington, etc...

[G.]

Won't they just name the next new super-carrier "Enterprise"?

I think they should name them after the people who pay for it.

I mean, who wouldn't want to see the USS G. make a port call?

[Gnam]

Next two carriers will be:
Gerald R Ford
JFK

The next opportunity for an Enterprise is the third new carrier scheduled for 2025.

[cameraman]

They are going to launch a new JFK when CV-67 is supposed to be a museum ship in Rhode Island?

[KLang]

Next two carriers will be:
Gerald R Ford
JFK

The next opportunity for an Enterprise is the third new carrier scheduled for 2025.

Didn't realize until looking that they have sort of started on the Kennedy, due in 2020. My bet is that date will slip.

[Indy]

The Enterprise will rise again. Just watch out when the captain takes her out for a shakedown cruise, that guy always gets into some sort of mess.

[mapguy]

The Enterprise will rise again. Just watch out when the captain takes her out for a shakedown cruise, that guy always gets into some sort of mess.

http://hilobrow.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Captain-Kirk-in-Rurnabout-Intruder-james-t-kirk-8614095-700-530.jpg

"You don't say..."

[Andrew Longman]

"You don't say..."Yep. Regular sex with aliens can get messy.

Runs.

[nrc]

The Enterprise was officially put out to pasture today. But there's good news...


The nuclear-powered aircraft carrier was the eighth U.S. ship to bear the name Enterprise, but it won't be the last. Navy Secretary Ray Mabus said in a video message that a future aircraft carrier would be named USS Enterprise, after the delivery of the USS Gerald R. Ford and the USS John F. Kennedy.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57556629/uss-enterprise-retires-from-active-service/

[dando]

The Enterprise was officially put out to pasture today. But there's good news...


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57556629/uss-enterprise-retires-from-active-service/

Bring it, China. ;)

-Kevin

[dando]

Looks like we've got some competition.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/jad_that_not_gonna_fly_KDsQFz2eU4EdWOsiylHUwJ

:gomer:

-Kevin

[nrc]

Looks like we've got some competition.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/jad_that_not_gonna_fly_KDsQFz2eU4EdWOsiylHUwJ

:gomer:

-Kevin

One aviation expert suggests that it looks like something kids would ride in outside the grocery story. Put a quarter in and it moves around and makes noise. Evidently the "in flight" videos are an R/C version.

[dando]

One aviation expert suggests that it looks like something kids would ride in outside the grocery story. Put a quarter in and it moves around and makes noise. Evidently the "in flight" videos are an R/C version.

Much like the new missiles North Korea rolled our a couple of years ago. :laugh:


“It looks like it might make a noise and vibrate if you put 20 cents in,” joked Andrew Davies of the Australian Strategic Policy Institute. “I can see (almost) how North Korea gets away with transparent nonsense due to isolation, but Iran has a population that’s much more switched on and connected, at least in the cities.

“I guess a possible explanation is that it plays well in the provinces, where people aren’t as savvy.”

-Kevin

[Andrew Longman]

What's with the bubble canopy which is so distorted and discolored I doubt you could safely see out of it. Lexan it is not.

[datachicane]

What's with the bubble canopy which is so distorted and discolored I doubt you could safely see out of it. Lexan it is not.

No kidding- looks like recycled pop bottles.


Link to hires (http://www.nypost.com/rw/nypost/2013/02/08/news/web_galleries/g_iranplane_020813/MideastIranAircraftProduction103034.jpg)

[Andrew Longman]

No kidding- looks like recycled pop bottles.


Link to hires (http://www.nypost.com/rw/nypost/2013/02/08/news/web_galleries/g_iranplane_020813/MideastIranAircraftProduction103034.jpg)Seriously. That would be like flying with drunk goggles on.

And I can make a canopy out of pop bottles clearer than that.

[Elmo T]

Seriously. That would be like flying with drunk goggles on.

And I can make a canopy out of pop bottles clearer than that.

The cockpit looks a little light on gear. And check out his knees, unless his feet are on the sides on the instrument panel. :saywhat:

AND what is the deal with the english "Danger"? Is that a standard aircraft marking always in english??

[cameraman]

It doesn't matter as that canopy has no locking mechanisms along the edges so the wind would tear it off as soon as you cleared about 80 mph...:rolleyes:

[emjaya]

It's ok. They really just want to be friends. ;)



Ahmadinejad said the Qaher — which means “Conqueror” — “carries a message of peace, friendship and brotherhood. Our military achievements do not pose a threat to anyone.”

Well, he is right about one thing, that plane is no threat.

[dando]

It doesn't matter as that canopy has no locking mechanisms along the edges so the wind would tear it off as soon as you cleared about 80 mph...:rolleyes:

But those mirrors will never work. :gomer: :D

-Kevin

[BobN]

Like fighter jets in a gymnasium. It appears it has the newest 8 track tape player mounted in the dash. Top Iranian pilots can listen to the Top Gun sound track while taxiing around the gym.:gomer:

[TravelGal]

It looks absurd even to me and I know just about zippidy do dah about these sorts of things. I decided to send it to a friend of mine who was a colonel in the Iranian airforce before the fall of the Shah. They used F-86 Sabres so they were pretty far behind even in those days.

PS, and BobN, that is FUNNNYYYY! :rofl::rofl::rofl:

[G.]

Like fighter jets in a gymnasium. It appears it has the newest 8 track tape player mounted in the dash. Top Iranian pilots can listen to the Top Gun sound track while taxiing around the gym.:gomer:

Nice!



http://theaviationist.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Q-313-cockpit.jpg


Lots of COTS parts. I have no clue if they are appropriate for use in a brand new fighter jet, but the ID's match Garmin and Dynon's website.


http://i49.tinypic.com/a01oi.png

[Don Quixote]

Does it have an 8-track player?

[dando]

Does it have an 8-track player?

More importantly...do the mirrors work? :tony:

-Kevin

[Andrew Longman]

More importantly...do the mirrors work? :tony:

-Kevinmore importantly is there any evidence of a weapons system? Pretty lame fighter if it can't fight.

And aren't Garmin and Dynon covered in the sanctions against Iran. If not, why!

[cameraman]

more importantly is there any evidence of a weapons system? Pretty lame fighter if it can't fight.

And aren't Garmin and Dynon covered in the sanctions against Iran. If not, why!

Seriously? Look at the photo of the cockpit, look at the inside far wall of the cockpit. The entire "aircraft" is a fiberglass mockup. It isn't a plane it is a movie prop.

Oh and those Dynon EMS-D10 engine management screens, they are for 4 and 6 cylinder Lycomings. They disassembled the cockpit of somebody's Piper and they bolted the bits to a board.

[Andrew Longman]

Seriously?Yes, seriously.

Even the guys who built this fraud for Ahmadinejad had to expect him to ask, "So where is the really big gun? How can we scare anyone without the big gun?"

I recognized the avionics from a close look I got just a few weeks ago of a kit plane a friend of my son's built. The EFIS is pretty cool and simplifies so many tasks.

I am surprised though that even that passes the sanctions. One of the complaints against the sanctions is that it makes even basic aviation less safe because spares and basic avionics unavailable

[cameraman]

I am surprised though that even that passes the sanctions.

What sanctions? Somebody in Europe buys it off of Amazon and then mails it to his buddies in Tehran. The Serbian postal system is highly efficient. Sanctions:rolleyes:

[Gnam]

Amazing. They actually reverse engineered a MiG-31.

http://imageshack.us/a/img23/4752/mig31firefox.jpg

Clint Eastwood is going to be pissed. :laugh:

[Andrew Longman]

What sanctions? Somebody in Europe buys it off of Amazon and then mails it to his buddies in Tehran. The Serbian postal system is highly efficient. Sanctions:rolleyes:
I was thinking more about the wisdom of inviting the press to see them and posting pictures of them on the Internet. If Ahmadinejad is trying to impress he would do better if the technology he was showing off wasn't bootlegged into the country. At least he should disguise them to look like his crack team of scientists and engineers made them in country.

And while I don't think it deserves a retaliatory missile strike, if they are on the banned list, I suspect flaunting that they have them will bring even more unwanted attention from the UN, etc.

[Elmo T]

It flys.... :rofl::rofl:

Iran's 'fake' fighter jet which experts say can't fly is spotted in the air (with a little help from Photoshop)
(http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2277412/Irans-fake-fighter-jet-spotted-air-little-help-Photoshop.html#axzz2KdLeNkib)

[Napoleon]

It flys.... :rofl::rofl:

I swear a year or so ago they got caught doing the same thing with some kind of rocket launch.

[Gnam]

F-35 prototypes grounded because they found a cracked "engine blade."

http://www.sfgate.com/news/texas/article/F-35-fleet-grounded-after-engine-crack-found-4301091.php

I would have thought that compressor blade designs were pretty standard. So many RPMs at a maximum temperature compared to the known material properties, bah-dah-boom, bah-dah-bing.

[Gnam]

Interesting... (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704334604575339463022126910.html?m od=WSJ_hp_editorsPicks_1)

Follow up:

May 2012
http://www.uppermichiganssource.com/news/story.aspx?id=749647

November 2012
http://www.uppermichiganssource.com/news/story.aspx?id=827286

[Elmo T]

This seems as good a thread as any:

U.S. flies B-52s over South Korea (http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/19/world/asia/korea-b-52s/index.html?hpt=hp_t1)


The U.S. Air Force is breaking out some of its heaviest hardware to send a message to North Korea.

A Pentagon spokesman said Monday that B-52 bombers are making flights over South Korea as part of military exercises this month.

Not sure there is a happy ending to this story. :shakehead

[dando]

Here we go...

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-flexes-muscle-after-n-korea-provocation-2013-03-31

Might I suggest a few Daisy Cutters would solve this? :saywhat:

-Kevin

[mapguy]

http://www.jakartagreater.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Mother-Of-All-Bombs-MOAB1.jpg

:thumbup:

[Napoleon]

Missile routes that the North Korean’s military have revealed are incorrect. (http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/04/easter-weekend-special-a-reason-to-worry-less-about-the-north-korean-threat/274513/)

[stroker]

this crap drives me nuts. If POTUS had any sense (to me) he's simply say, "We've got them covered. There's an Ohio class sub running a racetrack circuit off the coast. If they so much as twitch we'll turn the upper half of the peninsula to glass."

[Napoleon]

this crap drives me nuts. If POTUS had any sense (to me) he's simply say, "We've got them covered. There's an Ohio class sub running a racetrack circuit off the coast. If they so much as twitch we'll turn the upper half of the peninsula to glass."

Why does he even need to say that? NK knows perfectly well what we have. This is all a bunch of nothing. They are acting like spoiled children but know perfectly well we would level NK if they ever dare attack the US.

[cameraman]

Missile routes that the North Korean’s military have revealed are incorrect. (http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/04/easter-weekend-special-a-reason-to-worry-less-about-the-north-korean-threat/274513/)

You have to wonder what the Chinese/Russians would say about the North Koreans launching things over them to get to the US of A. Given the N. Korean's mad skilz the Chinese should be the most afraid being under 50 miles down range...

And why would the US run B2 bombers over South Korea if the North has no way of seeing them? They should be running B-52's carrying reflective panels so the North could actually see the show of strength.

[KLang]

And why would the US run B2 bombers over South Korea if the North has no way of seeing them? They should be running B-52's carrying reflective panels so the North could actually see the show of strength.

We are sabre rattling back at them :rolleyes: Can't recall if we have bothered in the past.

Edit: BTW, My roll eyes are aimed at our government, for very publicly sending B2s and F22s over there.

[Napoleon]

And why would the US run B2 bombers over South Korea if the North has no way of seeing them?

They could see them all right, because pictures of them training over SK were released to the media.

[Indy]

What gets me about all this is, do you think that if we really wanted them gone we couldn't have covertly caused a regime change at some point in the last fifty years? Just my personal opinion here, and no doubt this will piss off someone, but it surely seems like their periodic charade is like a paid advertisement for the military industrial complex.

The problem with a military organization is that total success leads to it's own dissolution. But we seem to have solved that problem in recent decades. :rolleyes:

[datachicane]

The mistake is in assuming that NK's sabre rattling is intended to impress or frighten anyone outside of NK. This is purely domestic political theater.

[SteveH]

The mistake is in assuming that NK's sabre rattling is intended to impress or frighten anyone outside of NK. This is purely domestic political theater.

Agree, proving to the populace that he is a great warrior just like his idiot father.

[cameraman]

And to some level the US has to play along just to keep the Great Warrior v3.0 from having to do something really stupid:shakehead

[dando]

Not getting political, but I found the following image posted by Ron Paul on FB interesting:

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/71906_10152371478821686_1852916716_n.jpg

Note, no lights in NK.

And now the Chinese are getting involved yet again. :shakehead

-Kevin

[Gnam]

F-35 fighter jets’ cyber vulnerabilities

The United States Department of Defense is conducting damage control after the head of the Pentagon’s multi-billion dollar F-35 fighter jet program said he has doubts those planes could withstand a sophisticated cyberattack.

http://rt.com/usa/fight-f-35-vulnerability-cyber-464/

Lame. Do the Chinese desk jockeys display kill decals on the sides of their computers?

[Gnam]

INS Vikramaditya sets sail for final sea trials

The Vikramaditya (formerly Admiral Gorshkov), which has been refitted at the Sevmash shipyard in northern Russia, is due to he handed over in fall 2013. A mixed Russian-Indian crew is on board the warship, while the Indian sailors learn how to operate the vessel.

http://indrus.in/economics/2013/07/03/ins_vikramaditya_sets_sail_for_final_sea_trials_26 743.html

India now has two aircraft carriers while the British have just one.

http://i39.tinypic.com/ir57r6.jpg

[stroker]

India now has two aircraft carriers while the British have just one.

It's worse than that--unless I'm mistaken the Brits sold all their last Harriers to the Marines. They've got a carrier with no planes.

[Gnam]

X-47B Navy drone lands on aircraft carrier for first time.

http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/x-47b-navy-drone-completes-first-ever-unmanned-carrier-landing-6C10591335

The F-35 better hurry up, or it will find a robot in it's place. ;)

[SurfaceUnits]

Israel Airstrike Targeted Advanced Missiles That Russia Sold to Syria, U.S. Says
By MICHAEL R. GORDON
Published: July 13, 2013

WASHINGTON — Israel carried out an air attack in Syria this month that targeted advanced antiship cruise missiles sold to the Syria government by Russia, American officials said Saturday.

The officials, who declined to be identified because they were discussing intelligence reports, said the attack occurred July 5 near Latakia, Syria’s principal port city. The target was a type of missile called the Yakhont, they said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/14/world/middleeast/israel-airstrike-targeted-advanced-missiles-that-russia-sold-to-syria-us-says.html?hp&_r=0

[SurfaceUnits]

Israel Airstrike Targeted Advanced Missiles That Russia Sold to Syria, U.S. Says
By MICHAEL R. GORDON
Published: July 13, 2013

WASHINGTON — Israel carried out an air attack in Syria this month that targeted advanced antiship cruise missiles sold to the Syria government by Russia, American officials said Saturday.

The officials, who declined to be identified because they were discussing intelligence reports, said the attack occurred July 5 near Latakia, Syria’s principal port city. The target was a type of missile called the Yakhont, they said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/14/world/middleeast/israel-airstrike-targeted-advanced-missiles-that-russia-sold-to-syria-us-says.html?hp&_r=0


Was Israel’s Latest ‘Air’ Attack on Syria from a Submarine?
10:40 AM, Jul 20, 2013 • By TOM GROSS

An attack two weeks ago that destroyed an advanced Russian missile shipment delivered to Syria’s Assad regime should also serve as a warning to Iran – and to those complacent Western diplomats who have (dangerously in my view) reconciled themselves to the idea of allowing Iran to go nuclear and then trying to contain it. For it seems that the July 5 attack on an arms depot near the Syrian naval base of Latakia, which has been attributed to Israel, came not from the air (as CNN and the New York Times reported last weekend) but from under the water.

Many Western officials who have apparently concluded that Israel could only destroy Iran’s nuclear program from the air – and that Israel does not have the capability to carry out such long-range air strikes in a decisive way – should take note. In recent years, Israel has greatly advanced its sea-based capabilities, and the geographical range of operations that Israel can mount from the sea, I am reliably told, now spans the entire globe. Israeli submarines are no longer confining themselves to the Mediterranean.

[SurfaceUnits]

'Falluja Babies' and Depleted Uranium -- America's Toxic Legacy in Iraq
Two US-led wars in Iraq have left behind hundreds of tons of depleted uranium munitions and other toxic wastes.
March 18, 2013 |

Fallujah, Iraq - Contamination from Depleted Uranium (DU) munitions and other military-related pollution is suspected of causing a sharp rises in congenital birth defects, cancer cases, and other illnesses throughout much of Iraq.

Many prominent doctors and scientists contend that DU contamination is also connected to the recent emergence of diseases that were not previously seen in Iraq, such as new illnesses in the kidney, lungs, and liver, as well as total immune system collapse. DU contamination may also be connected to the steep rise in leukaemia, renal, and anaemia cases, especially among children, being reported throughout many Iraqi governorates.

There has also been a dramatic jump in miscarriages and premature births among Iraqi women, particularly in areas where heavy US military operations occurred, such as Fallujah.
http://www.alternet.org/world/falluja-babies-and-depleted-uranium-americas-toxic-legacy-iraq

Capitalist Warmongering Pigs!!!




Depleted Uranium – Far Worse Than 9/11
Depleted Uranium Dust - Public Health Disaster For The People Of Iraq and Afghanistan

John Hanchette, a journalism professor at St. Bonaventure University, and one of the founding editors of USA TODAY related the following to DU researcher Leuren Moret. He stated that he had prepared news breaking stories about the effects of DU on Gulf War soldiers and Iraqi citizens, but that each time he was ready to publish, he received a phone call from the Pentagon asking him not to print the story. He has since been replaced as editor of USA TODAY.

In 1997, while citing experiments, by others, in which 84 percent of dogs exposed to inhaled uranium died of cancer of the lungs, Dr. Asaf Durakovic, then Professor of Radiology and Nuclear Medicine at Georgetown University in Washington was quoted as saying,

“The [US government's] Veterans Administration asked me to lie about the risks of incorporating depleted uranium in the human body.”
http://www.globalresearch.ca/depleted-uranium-far-worse-than-9-11/2374

[nrc]

Please quote an appropriate portion of that and link the rest.

Thanks!

[G.]

http://www.globalresearch.ca/depleted-uranium-far-worse-than-9-11/2374
http://www.alternet.org/world/falluja-babies-and-depleted-uranium-americas-toxic-legacy-iraq


You would be well-served to look into more reputable sources, ones that include references and such.

I'll supply a couple, then you are on your own.

http://iaea.org/newscenter/focus/depleteduranium/properties.pdf

this summary is from WHO. A bit light on content. (http://www.who.int/ionizing_radiation/pub_meet/en/DU_Eng.pdf)

Maybe cameraman or someone has subscriptions to the scholar depositories and can pull up McDiarmid or Hooper, etc.

Conclusions that I saw were that DU isn't good for ya, and you shouldn't use it to cut your cocaine, but it's just a bit worse than being outdoors. Ironic that when DU is used in the armor plating of vehicles, the rad. dosage is approx equal to the dosage that the armor protects you from (the sun and stars).

But the docs do seem to be monitoring people with DU shrapnel in them still. That remains a concern.

[SurfaceUnits]

You would be well-served to look into more reputable sources, ones that include references and such.

I'll supply a couple, then you are on your own.

http://iaea.org/newscenter/focus/depleteduranium/properties.pdf

this summary is from WHO. A bit light on content. (http://www.who.int/ionizing_radiation/pub_meet/en/DU_Eng.pdf)

Maybe cameraman or someone has subscriptions to the scholar depositories and can pull up McDiarmid or Hooper, etc.

Conclusions that I saw were that DU isn't good for ya, and you shouldn't use it to cut your cocaine, but it's just a bit worse than being outdoors. Ironic that when DU is used in the armor plating of vehicles, the rad. dosage is approx equal to the dosage that the armor protects you from (the sun and stars).

But the docs do seem to be monitoring people with DU shrapnel in them still. That remains a concern.

or one could visit one of the largest cemeteries in the world to see if there are any bodies there. or hospitals to see if there are any patients there. Or nurseries to se if there are children with unusual deformities. Or you could compare post Iraq with post Hiroshima, or you could check the drinking water in Los Angeles. It is modern day nuclear war. Or perhaps it is just coincidence that the M-F birth ratio has shifted dramatically since radiation weapons were introduced to an area where they had never been used before.

[datachicane]

or one could visit one of the largest cemeteries in the world to see if there are any bodies there. or hospitals to see if there are any patients there. Or nurseries to se if there are children with unusual deformities. Or you could compare post Iraq with post Hiroshima, or you could check the drinking water in Los Angeles. It is modern day nuclear war.

:confused:

You've lost me there...

G.'s take is the one that the data supports.

[cameraman]

or one could visit one of the largest cemeteries in the world to see if there are any bodies there. or hospitals to see if there are any patients there. Or nurseries to se if there are children with unusual deformities.

You should consider stopping getting your science from political sources. Much of what you put up are absolute garbage studies from people with vested interests.

Which isn't to say that DU is good for anyone. The problem is there is a complete lack of good science that shows causative linkage between DU and the ridiculous catchall of diseases that it is being blamed for. The **** you are posting up is the kind of things that really piss me off because because the vast majority of it is unproven ********. It is the same crap that has half this country scared to death of the MMR vaccine because they think it causes autism. To be clear, IT HAS BEEN PROVEN REPEATEDLY THAT THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO CONNECTION BETWEEN AUTISM AND ANY VACCINE. Anyone saying otherwise is lying, Flat. Out. Lying. Yet the internet is full of people claiming exactly that. The claims against DU are of the same scientific rigor.

Powered uranium ain't good for anyone, it is a heavy metal after all but it is one that generally does not bioaccumulate to a significant degree. It doesn't get into the food chain, you don't have uranium-laden carrots coming out of a battlefield garden. That said covering your town in it is not a good idea.

The problem is multifaceted:
1. Medical epidemiology in Iraq/ex-Yugoslavia/Afghanistan is a joke, the country's are far too unstable for accurate tracking of anything.
2. Saddam didn't keep records or they were destroyed, we don't know accurate levels of anything prior to the wars.
3. Iraq has been coated with a witch's brew of toxic chemicals from numerous sources. Sorting that out is very hard.
4. The good (and all too rare) animal studies show DU has little effect but those studies are not big enough and need repeating.
5. That is stunningly expensive and nobody wants to pay for it. Not to mention the PETA ****wits...
6. Studies on US forces do not show a linkage with DU but those studies are not big enough and need repeating.
7. That is stunningly expensive and nobody wants to pay for it.
8. Bosnia has all kinds of contamination issues affecting its population, sorting out what is going on there is an ongoing nightmare.
9. And nobody wants to pay to figure it out.
10. Absolute crap scientific studies abound and are given the same weight in the press as the all too rare good studies.
11. Fixing that requires large good studies and nobody wants to pay to figure it out.

A good example is that door to door study in Fallujah. If you look at the study itself it says this: "Whilst the results seem to qualitatively support the existence of serious mutation-related health effects in Fallujah, owing to the structural problems associated with surveys of this kind, care should be exercised in interpreting the findings quantitatively." But that is exactly what what everyone is doing. That is a preliminary study and the result is that there are grounds for doing some serious work here to see what the hell is actually going on. It does not speak to causation at all. What's in the water that they are drinking? Where does it come from? You don't know, nobody does, but that couldn't possibly be an issue because it is DU....

The point is no one knows what is going on but the **** that you are quoting coming from the DU activists ranges from overstated to outright lies.

[SurfaceUnits]

"We also know that the U.S. used DIME weapons (Dense Inert Metal explosive). It's a tungsten alloy with nickel, iron, cobalt and copper in it which is extremely toxic, chemically. And in animal studies, the U.S. armed forces reported in research papers that this alloy produces 100 percent tumor rate or tumor yield, cancer in other words, and it also has a 100 percent kill rate in animal studies within nine months."

You probably think Gulf War Syndrome is caused by sand fleas.
Well, as long as the capitalists can use outlawed dirty bombs in their wars, you shouldn't care if Hadji sets one off in your neighborhood




Posted 6/3/2003 5:49 PM Updated 6/3/2003 5:53 PM



Study: Gulf War vets' children have higher birth defect rates
WASHINGTON (AP) — Children of veterans of the first Gulf War are more likely to have three specific birth defects than those of soldiers who never served in the gulf, a government study has found.

Researchers found the infants born to male veterans of the 1991 war had higher rates of two types of heart valve defects. They also found a higher rate of a genital urinary defect in boys conceived after the war to Gulf War veteran mothers.

In addition, Gulf War veterans' children born after the war had a certain kidney defect that was not found in Gulf War veterans' children born before the war.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/health/2003-06-03-vets-birth-defects_x.htm

[cameraman]

You are really pissing me off. First it was DU now it is DIME. Buy a damned clue, the researchers in that paper state flat out that they do NOT know the cause of the health problems. People on the ground in that war were exposed to hundreds of materials and no one knows which compound is responsible for what or at what level. Most likely it is a mixture of a dozen things. Yet you know that it is DIME. Or was it DU...

I don't know what you are bitching about besides the fact that war is a bad thing. People exposed to battlefield conditions in and after WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam and every other war have had all manner of major heath problems after the war. The only difference now it that it is getting reported where before people went out of their way not to talk about it.

Yeah wars are bad for the public health, thanks for the ****ing update.

[datachicane]

501

[Gnam]

Yeah wars are bad for the public health, thanks for the ****ing update.
:laugh:

[G.]

:laugh:

Sorry to drag you into this cameradude (or at least, invoke your name into the topic). I knew that you took causality/correlation to heart, but I believe I may have underestimated your "determination" on the topic.



or one could visit one of the largest cemeteries in the world to see if there are any bodies there.

Based on the definition, I would certainly expect a cemetery to contain bodies, so I can accept this without documented evidence.
;)


or hospitals to see if there are any patients there.

Again, I will accept this as an axiom.


Or nurseries to se if there are children with unusual deformities.

A sad part of life, to be sure. :(
Modern medicine can restore a reasonable quality of life to those that in the past, would have perished. :thumbup:


Or you could compare post Iraq with post Hiroshima, or you could check the drinking water in Los Angeles. It is modern day nuclear war. Or perhaps it is just coincidence that the M-F birth ratio has shifted dramatically since radiation weapons were introduced to an area where they had never been used before.
Or you could just rattle off a bunch of scary stuff, some of which HAS SOME VALIDITY.

I cannot compare post Iraq to post Hiroshima. Actually, not too many scientists can, as cameraman explained.

Hiroshima was studied by actual scientists, and that data was used in the first link that I posted (something to the effect that Japan data is way up high on the scale, and if you draw a line way down here, you can make an assumption thusly...).

I have no idea what you mean about LA water (is there contamination from atmospheric tests? Or a lot of natural U? Radon?) or the male-female birth rates.




All I was really trying to point out, is to be skeptical, always. And that blogging is not science.

Again, there may be some truthiness in the lingering health hazards of DU. It absolutely is a question, but some of the concerns HAVE been studied and undergone peer-review. Those studies do not appear to draw a horror-story conclusion, like your links. But be skeptical of "good-news" studies too!

There are many other true issues to be pissed-off about.

[SurfaceUnits]

We are finally going to get to the bottom of this. The defense department is going to file as a tea party group seeking tax exempt status and then the IRS will go above and beyond the call of duty to get every question answered.

Saddam had no WMD's but America had George WMD Bush.

Uranium risks haunt Kosovo survivors
NATO's use of depleted uranium in bullets and armor in the Kosovo War is suspected by many to be a reason for high rates of leukemia in the region today. The long term effects on the environment also remain unclear. Reports that depleted uranium was behind a spike in leukemia cases among peacekeepers who served in Kosovo.

[nrc]

We are finally going to get to the bottom of this. The defense department is going to file as a tea party group seeking tax exempt status and then the IRS will go above and beyond the call of duty to get every question answered.

Saddam had no WMD's but America had George WMD Bush. I hope they find that creep cowering in a closet someday or in a sanitorium like Nazi war criminals

Has your account been hacked? :confused:

[SurfaceUnits]

Has your account been hacked? :confused:

Possibly. May have something to with the Ubuntu hacking.
Ubuntu Forums hack: 1.8 million passwords stolen

A retired Admiral of the Indian Navy, Vishnu Bhagwatt, reported that winds are carrying D.U. contaminated dust nearly 1,000 miles from the contaminated battlefields of Afghanistan and Iraq. Depleted Uranium dust is now falling on New Delhi, India!

An aside for you conspiracy knuts: It is part of the UN's one world government plan to depopulate undesirables
Another aside for you conspiracy knuts: Radiation has no adverse affect on human physiology whatsoever

[Gnam]

Ok, I think I got it now. DU laced chemtrails cause autism. :thumbup:

http://s8.postimg.org/50tkkwryd/Chemtrails.jpg