CES 2006 - My Thoughts [Archive]

Stu

01-09-06, 05:02 PM

Just woke up from my weekend in Vegas. Here are my thoughts on CES for any of you that have ever purchased a consumer electronics product.

- It was overwhelming
- There is a lot of overlap with products. It seems like everyone is starting to do the same things. Maybe thats how it always is at these conventions.
- XM absolutely owned Sirius.
- HDDVD owned Blu-Ray.
- Huge plasma displays are garbage. In fact, all plasma is garbage. Don't buy one.
- I've never seen so many fake boobs in my life.
- While different processes, it seems like there will be little difference between HDDVD and Blu-Ray. I wish they could work together to build a great format thats both inexpensive to manufacture and the highest of quality.
- the PS3 looks intense but still no live gameplay.
- I've never seen so many asians in my life.
- Toshiba or some other manufacturer was really stupid. I'll edit this when I found out which manufacturer it was. These morons were showing HD-DVD on a 60 some inch DLP TV. It looked like garbage.
- I've never seen so many butter faces in my life.
- HDRadio sounds nicer, is a good step for radio, but is still owned by satellite.

Will be editing and adding as I remember more stuff. If anyone wants me to expand on anything, please reply.

Dirty Sanchez

01-09-06, 05:42 PM

what bidness are you in?

tell us more about CES.

01-09-06, 05:43 PM

why are plasma's garbage? What is better?

Stu

01-09-06, 05:44 PM

what bidness are you in?

tell us more about CES.

I work for a fire alarm company here in Cleveland. While we mainly do fire alarm, we also do other low voltage work. We have had the opportunity to do some bids and work on Theater rooms for Apartments and Nursing Homes that we also did the fire alarm for.

So that was my loose reasoning for going, to check out home theater. Personally I was there for myself and to look at where I would be spending all my money in 2-3 years.

Sean O'Gorman

01-09-06, 06:48 PM

Personally I was there for myself and to look at where I would be spending all my money in 2-3 years.

Oh, so there was a bridal shower there too?

:rofl:

SteveH

01-09-06, 07:08 PM

HDDVD owned Blu-Ray.

That's something that I'd like to see. In Oct. I was at the Sony store in Tokyo and saw a 70 inch Sony flat screen being driven by a Bluray disk. The picture was breathaking. I can't really imagine it to be any better.

IlliniRacer

01-09-06, 07:48 PM

I work for a fire alarm company here in Cleveland. While we mainly do fire alarm, we also do other low voltage work. We have had the opportunity to do some bids and work on Theater rooms for Apartments and Nursing Homes that we also did the fire alarm for.

So that was my loose reasoning for going, to check out home theater. Personally I was there for myself and to look at where I would be spending all my money in 2-3 years.

Thought maybe you were a cable tv installer.....err.....media insider :p :gomer:

Stu

01-09-06, 08:18 PM

That's something that I'd like to see. In Oct. I was at the Sony store in Tokyo and saw a 70 inch Sony flat screen being driven by a Bluray disk. The picture was breathaking. I can't really imagine it to be any better.

Well since you brought it up. In all honesty, they looked identical. Maybe if I could see them side by side I would change my mind, but you had to walk a few hundred feet between displays, so your brain couldnt really process the differences.

They were also shown with different media on different displays, so still not fair.

My statement of HDDVD blowing away Blu-Ray was with the displays that they had. HD-DVD had a 30 person theater set up with a couple hundered inch screen. Blu-Ray was on LCD, Plasma, and DLP TV's. Nothing that would really impress.

jcollins28

01-09-06, 09:54 PM

I've never seen so many fake boobs in my life.

Go to the SEMA show and walk the Tire/Wheel section of that show. It is pretty much a giant strip club with some wheels and tires lying around.

I have not been to CES in a few years. It is something to see that is for sure.

coolhand

01-09-06, 10:47 PM

why are plasma's garbage? What is better?

Plasma is just an interem technology until they can build LCDs that size cheaply enough. Plasmas are heavy and dissipate alot of heat. Once you can get LCDs that size at a cheap cost plamas will dissapear. I don't know about picture quality and all that and the differences in that regard though.

Stu

01-09-06, 10:57 PM

Go to the SEMA show and walk the Tire/Wheel section of that show. It is pretty much a giant strip club with some wheels and tires lying around.

I have not been to CES in a few years. It is something to see that is for sure.

I was referring of course to the Adult Entertainment Convention that was going on in the Sands next to a section of the CES convention.

dando

01-10-06, 01:14 AM

oddlycalm

01-10-06, 06:10 AM

- There is a lot of overlap with products. It seems like everyone is starting to do the same things. You talking about over at the Sands, right...? :D

Seriously, at any convention for industries where Asian companies dominate you get buried in sameness. They aren't happy unless they have two dozen companies making nearly identical products and sucking all the air out of the market. The specsmanship becomes crazy as they try for some little scrap of differentiation for their products where there is none.

oc

Stu

01-10-06, 10:26 AM

You talking about over at the Sands, right...? :D

Seriously, at any convention for industries where Asian companies dominate you get buried in sameness. They aren't happy unless they have two dozen companies making nearly identical products and sucking all the air out of the market. The specsmanship becomes crazy as they try for some little scrap of differentiation for their products where there is none.

oc

Yea the big things this year were portable mp3 players and car video systems.

XM, Sirius, Microsoft, and a hole boatload of other companies are all integrating car video, audio, and gps systems.

The portable mp3 players were obviously being done by apple, plus a number of other companies, and XM and Sirius, who have combo portable players + satellite receivers. I love the idea of being able to record satellite radio.

XM also came out with a device that is really cool. Its a portable tuner card. Basically instead of having one of the receivers set up for the subscription, now the tuner card is. It used to be that you had have a subscription for your car unit, your home unit, your portable unit, etc. Now you just subscribe with the tuner card and plug it into whichever XM device you want to listen to. I'll probably be upgrading to that someday.

Stu

01-10-06, 10:28 AM

Repeat after me....DLP > LCP > plasma....repeat as necessary.

-Kevin

And rear projection CRT units are still better for picture quality (referring to large sized TV's, not necessarily projectors for use with a screen and 100"+ size image.)

Sean O'Gorman

01-10-06, 11:04 AM

XM also came out with a device that is really cool. Its a portable tuner card. Basically instead of having one of the receivers set up for the subscription, now the tuner card is. It used to be that you had have a subscription for your car unit, your home unit, your portable unit, etc. Now you just subscribe with the tuner card and plug it into whichever XM device you want to listen to. I'll probably be upgrading to that someday.

Any idea how far off that is? I'm getting tired of my Roady2, but I don't want to buy an XM unit for the home theater, and an XM-equipped car stereo, and then having to pay an extra $7 a month to use them both.

vancouver

01-10-06, 11:16 AM

Stu, what are butter faces?

Is that like Americaspeak?

Insomniac

01-10-06, 11:18 AM

Repeat after me....DLP > LCP > plasma....repeat as necessary.

Unless you really want to hang it from the wall for the 'ooooh' factor, PQ is greater with DLP. Better contrast and black levels than LCD and plasma, and no burn in issues.

Oh, and I have a Sammy DLP in front of me, and I've done the research and demoing for the projector going into my theater as we speak (Mits HC3K).

YMMV.

-Kevin

Yikes. There is no way LCD or DLP have better black levels than Plasma. Burn in isn't even an issue now. It's much harder to burn in an image on a Plasma than it was a few years ago, and if you do (by leaving a video game paused for hours for example), you can unghost it by looping a movie for a day.

eiregosod

01-10-06, 11:41 AM

was there any devices made from photo-polymers there?

Stu

01-10-06, 11:43 AM

Any idea how far off that is? I'm getting tired of my Roady2, but I don't want to buy an XM unit for the home theater, and an XM-equipped car stereo, and then having to pay an extra $7 a month to use them both.

I didn't get any definate dates but can go through the literature I picked up. I would assume 2nd quarter at the latest though.

Stu

01-10-06, 11:45 AM

Stu, what are butter faces?

Is that like Americaspeak?

Butterfaces = everything is good but her face.

Here is my ranking of women that I saw at the convention centers.

Random Arm Candy w/ Guys w/ Money > Typical Booth Models > Car Audio Booth Models > Porn Stars and other sleazy broads at the Adult Convention.

cart7

01-10-06, 11:48 AM

Yikes. There is no way LCD or DLP have better black levels than Plasma. Burn in isn't even an issue now. It's much harder to burn in an image on a Plasma than it was a few years ago, and if you do (by leaving a video game paused for hours for example), you can unghost it by looping a movie for a day.

Driving black levels is a very weak point for LCD's, lesser so for Plasma's. True DLP technology can produce ultimate blacks because a mirror is either on, passing light or off, no light.

I've actually heard the next big breakthrough will be in OLEDP (Organic Light Emitting Diode Panels) coated sheets of plastic that emit light. Kodak is using the technology in some of their displays on their digital camera's. Imagine a thin sheet of plastic with a thin frame around it. Dupont claims they can roll the sheets out cheaply. We'll see.

Stu

01-10-06, 11:50 AM

was there any devices made from photo-polymers there?

Probably but I didn't see anything involving photo-polymers. Although I wasn't looking.

The show was so overwhelmingly huge (thats what she said) that I couldnt possibly have seen everything. I never even made it to South Hall 4 or Alexis Park.

There were enough people there to fill Cleveland Browns Stadium, Jacobs Field, Quicken Loans Arena, and the Wolstein Center. Then you have to add in the exhibitors.

Estimated attendees: 135,000. Since most people went multiple days, Champ Car would say there were probably 300,000 there for the weekend.

01-10-06, 01:12 PM

Repeat after me....DLP > LCP > plasma....repeat as necessary.

Unless you really want to hang it from the wall for the 'ooooh' factor, PQ is greater with DLP. Better contrast and black levels than LCD and plasma, and no burn in issues.

Oh, and I have a Sammy DLP in front of me, and I've done the research and demoing for the projector going into my theater as we speak (Mits HC3K).

YMMV.

-Kevindlp has too small of a viewing angle, for my requirements. LCP direct screens are getting bigger, >40", but are still expen$ive.

Something weird about the LCD direct (not projection) that I saw a few weeks ago, is that different units will have VASTLY different contrast ratios. I saw a unit (40") with a CR of 800:1 right next to a unit with a CR of 3000:1. The 3k:1 looked much better and was actually cheaper that the other (both were 40").

Wabbit

01-10-06, 02:06 PM

I was referring of course to the Adult Entertainment Convention that was going on in the Sands next to a section of the CES convention.

I remember the first time I took my wife to COMDEX. We were staying at the Sands not knowing that's where all the adult content was. Quite a shocker seeing what things came out of the elevator.

chop456

01-10-06, 03:04 PM

Butterfaces = everything is good but her face.

Also known as the Cleveland Brown.

Nice uniform - bad helmet.

Insomniac

01-10-06, 03:12 PM

Driving black levels is a very weak point for LCD's, lesser so for Plasma's. True DLP technology can produce ultimate blacks because a mirror is either on, passing light or off, no light.

I've actually heard the next big breakthrough will be in OLEDP (Organic Light Emitting Diode Panels) coated sheets of plastic that emit light. Kodak is using the technology in some of their displays on their digital camera's. Imagine a thin sheet of plastic with a thin frame around it. Dupont claims they can roll the sheets out cheaply. We'll see.

I don't know where you get your information.

There is only 1 DLP technology. TI created it and owns it. So I don't know what you mean by true DLP tech. Maybe you mean theoretically the mirror would block all light. Plasmas have individual pixels which are either on or off. No backlight. Which is why it approches very similar black levels to CRTs. LCDs use a backlight and DLP uses a bulb that lights up the entire device.

Insomniac

01-10-06, 03:14 PM

dlp has too small of a viewing angle, for my requirements. LCP direct screens are getting bigger, >40", but are still expen$ive.

Something weird about the LCD direct (not projection) that I saw a few weeks ago, is that different units will have VASTLY different contrast ratios. I saw a unit (40") with a CR of 800:1 right next to a unit with a CR of 3000:1. The 3k:1 looked much better and was actually cheaper that the other (both were 40").

The problem here is there isn't an industry standard for measuring contrast ratio. Some even do it with the front glass removed.

Sean O'Gorman

01-10-06, 03:26 PM

Also known as the Cleveland Brown.

Nice uniform - bad helmet.

The Browns have a nice uniform?

When I heard the joke, the term was Cincinnati Bengal, and this was from someone who has lived in NYC his whole life.

Stu

01-10-06, 03:33 PM

The Browns have a nice uniform?

When I heard the joke, the term was Cincinnati Bengal, and this was from someone who has lived in NYC his whole life.

Well they can't do it now because the Bengal uni's are as ugly as John Kitna's haircut.

cart7

01-10-06, 05:16 PM

I don't know where you get your information.

There is only 1 DLP technology. TI created it and owns it. So I don't know what you mean by true DLP tech. Maybe you mean theoretically the mirror would block all light. Plasmas have individual pixels which are either on or off. No backlight. Which is why it approches very similar black levels to CRTs. LCDs use a backlight and DLP uses a bulb that lights up the entire device.

Some people mistakenly call rear projection LCD sets DLP's. That is incorrect of course. Plasma's have an issue much like direct view TV's have, there is an afterglow before the gas completely loses it's charge and thus fails to emit light again. Direct view TV's have a similar issue, (turn off all the lights in a room with a direct view on and then shut the set off, the image that was last on the set will still be visible until the phosphour discharges completely. Much the same way Plasma's can suffer burn-in, directview TVs can as well in a similar type fashion.

LCD's have the worst black level drive, the crystals just can't bend enough to completely shutoff all light from passing through them. While issues of lag and black levels are still being tackled in the lab, it's still a way off and LCD's, dollars per square inch, are still the most expensive of the new video formats.

cart7

01-10-06, 05:17 PM

One other thing. Don't expect Glass tube direct view TV's to be around much longer.

Sharp just announced that the current model line of direct views, which run until about next summer/early fall, will be their final in direct view. They'll be strictly LCD's and a couple DLP's from then on. Expect many more manufacturers to follow soon thereafter.

oddlycalm

01-10-06, 09:39 PM

I've actually heard the next big breakthrough will be in OLEDP (Organic Light Emitting Diode Panels) coated sheets of plastic that emit light. Kodak is using the technology in some of their displays on their digital camera's. Imagine a thin sheet of plastic with a thin frame around it. Dupont claims they can roll the sheets out cheaply. We'll see. That would be nice, but I've been hearing ODEDP is just around the corner for the last 2yrs.

As I was looking at 23" LCD monitors in summer 04 there was talk there were going to be OLEDP monitors in early 2005, as well as a lot of other new display technology. I went ahead and got a 23" wide screen anyway because my old 21" CRT was hosed, and what actually happened since has been not much. LCD response times got faster and the prices came down is about it. Samsung latest 24" just shipped and it's just an evolutionary version of the screen they brougt out in spring of 04.

For television it's about the same, with refinement of the DLP engine LCD panels. The prices are getting tasty though. :thumbup:

oc

Insomniac

01-11-06, 09:53 AM

Stu

01-11-06, 09:54 AM

RECORD BREAKING 2006 INTERNATIONAL CES REFLECTS STRENGTH OF CONSUMER TECHNOLOGY INDUSTRY

--World’s Largest Consumer Technology Tradeshow Attracts More Than 150,000 and Serves as Global Launchpad for 2,500 Exhibitors--

With more than 150,000 attendees from 110 countries witnessing the introduction of thousands of new products and technologies from more than 2,500 exhibitors, the 2006 International Consumer Electronics Show (CES) lived up to its billing as the world’s largest technology tradeshow.

The show floor was packed with global executives from the consumer technology, broadcasting, cable, content, engineering, financial, motion picture, music and numerous other industries who converged in Las Vegas over the last four days.

The 2006 International CES set several major show records including number of attendees at more than 150,000 and exhibit space at 1.67 million net square feet of space. The show again proved that it is truly the international center of the digital world as it drew more than 23,000 international attendees. The show featured a broad array of exciting product and exhibitor announcements, many of which provide consumers with unprecedented control over when, where and how they watch movies, listen to music, view their digital photos and access information, education and entertainment content.

Insomniac

01-11-06, 09:57 AM

Some people mistakenly call rear projection LCD sets DLP's. That is incorrect of course. Plasma's have an issue much like direct view TV's have, there is an afterglow before the gas completely loses it's charge and thus fails to emit light again. Direct view TV's have a similar issue, (turn off all the lights in a room with a direct view on and then shut the set off, the image that was last on the set will still be visible until the phosphour discharges completely. Much the same way Plasma's can suffer burn-in, directview TVs can as well in a similar type fashion.

LCD's have the worst black level drive, the crystals just can't bend enough to completely shutoff all light from passing through them. While issues of lag and black levels are still being tackled in the lab, it's still a way off and LCD's, dollars per square inch, are still the most expensive of the new video formats.

I'm not making that mistake.

CRTs and Plasma are capable of blacker than black though. My whole point of this is I don't see how someone could look at a DLP TV, LCD TV and Plasma TV and come away thinking that Plasma didn't have the best black level (and probably color) of the three. There are many reasons to prefer DLP and LCD over Plasma, but black level can't be one of them.

cart7

01-11-06, 11:19 AM

I'm not making that mistake.

CRTs and Plasma are capable of blacker than black though. My whole point of this is I don't see how someone could look at a DLP TV, LCD TV and Plasma TV and come away thinking that Plasma didn't have the best black level (and probably color) of the three. There are many reasons to prefer DLP and LCD over Plasma, but black level can't be one of them.

DLP's involve the engine(basically a mirror the size of your thumbnail with 900,000 little mirrors cut into it on a gen 1 and over 2 million for gen 2) a spinning color wheel and a 120watt (average) halogen lamp. The lamp light is focused down via lens, passes through the rotating color wheel and is then refocused again onto the engine. Those little tiny mirrors cut into the entire piece of glass each represent a pixel. They swivel towards the light which passes light or away from the light which doesn't pass light. Sort of a logic high or low. a 1 or a 0. From the mirror engine, it goes through the equivalent of a fisheye lens and is projected onto a standard freznel/lenticular projection screen like big screens of old.

If you don't believe that Plasma's can't drive blacks as good as a direct view or a DLP, go look at some of the cheaper models of Plasma's being sold these days. The black levels look somewhat hazy, not the deep dark blacks you're talking about. Yes, Plasma's can have deep blacks if you spend the money for a higher end set and color wise, the Plasma's have a warmer picture than a DLP which tends to have what some would describe as a cold color pix but given the price difference and many of the drawbacks of Plasma's there just isn't much justification in owning a plasma unless you're interested in something to hang on the wall and you're wanting something a little cheaper than an LCD.

Insomniac

01-12-06, 10:44 AM

DLP's involve the engine(basically a mirror the size of your thumbnail with 900,000 little mirrors cut into it on a gen 1 and over 2 million for gen 2) a spinning color wheel and a 120watt (average) halogen lamp. The lamp light is focused down via lens, passes through the rotating color wheel and is then refocused again onto the engine. Those little tiny mirrors cut into the entire piece of glass each represent a pixel. They swivel towards the light which passes light or away from the light which doesn't pass light. Sort of a logic high or low. a 1 or a 0. From the mirror engine, it goes through the equivalent of a fisheye lens and is projected onto a standard freznel/lenticular projection screen like big screens of old.

If you don't believe that Plasma's can't drive blacks as good as a direct view or a DLP, go look at some of the cheaper models of Plasma's being sold these days. The black levels look somewhat hazy, not the deep dark blacks you're talking about. Yes, Plasma's can have deep blacks if you spend the money for a higher end set and color wise, the Plasma's have a warmer picture than a DLP which tends to have what some would describe as a cold color pix but given the price difference and many of the drawbacks of Plasma's there just isn't much justification in owning a plasma unless you're interested in something to hang on the wall and you're wanting something a little cheaper than an LCD.

Thanks for the lesson. ;)

The newer DLP chips have all 3 colors instead of a color wheel. I also know there are obviously different levels of quality to Plasma displays (as there are with other displays). The original poster was making a general statement that Plasma's have the worst black levels. That is untrue. The best Plasma displays have better black levels than the best DLP displays. That is the only point I was trying to make. I wasn't recommending Plasma over DLP (or the other way). Simply stating that what was said was untrue.

Stu

01-12-06, 11:04 AM

Insomniac

01-12-06, 01:18 PM

The original poster being me or the orignal poster to mention black levels on the sets?

I never said anything about black levels, all I know is the 3 CRT system still gives a better picture than Plasma, LCD, or DLP.

But what struck me the most was these huge plasma displays. There had to be a reason why they wouldn't show any action on a screen that was over 80" big. It was all still shots with slow pans. Thats what lead me to believe they are garbage.

The person who mentioned black levels. I think your suspicions on the large displays are valid. Really, the proof is they don't actually sell Plasma displays that big (or 102/103"). I believe 71" is the largest size sold ($50k+), and even then, in very limited quantity. The 61, 63 and 65" ones are probably mass produced.

Stu

01-12-06, 01:35 PM

The person who mentioned black levels. I think your suspicions on the large displays are valid. Really, the proof is they don't actually sell Plasma displays that big (or 102/103"). I believe 71" is the largest size sold ($50k+), and even then, in very limited quantity. The 61, 63 and 65" ones are probably mass produced.

The 103" display that I saw at the panasonic booth was supposed to go into production, I overheard someone mention it would be about 15k but who knows.

Key specifications:
Size (aspect ratio): 103 inches (16:9)
Number of Pixels: 2.07 million (1,920 horizontal x 1,080 vertical)
Pixel Pitch: 1.182 x 1.182 mm
Effective Viewing Area: Width: 2,269.4 mm Height: 1,276.6 mm Diagonal: 2,603.8 mm
Contrast Ratio: 3000:1

Stu

01-12-06, 01:39 PM

Another cool thing I saw at CES.

•Chill it with USB. Arguably the oddest gadget at CES is also the coolest — at least in one respect. The $40 Cool IT Chiller, from a Calgary upstart called Cool It Systems, uses your computer's USB port to keep your beverages chilled. You place the device on a flat surface, insert the attached USB cord into a PC or Mac and place a soft drink or beer can on top of the cooler. The idea behind Cool IT is to keep your drinks chilled while you work; it takes about 20 seconds for the chiller to get down to 45 degrees Fahrenheit.

Although I would have paid about 10 bucks for one, certainly not $40.

Ankf00

01-12-06, 01:40 PM

meh, Peltier Effect cooler, nothing new about it, you can buy them for your car

01-12-06, 02:00 PM

nothing new about it,Sure it is! This one will burn a cupring into your (wooden, not puter) desktop!

(peltier effect means other side warms up.)

Stu

01-12-06, 02:04 PM

meh, Peltier Effect cooler, nothing new about it, you can buy them for your car

right and now for your computer. although anyone that pays 40 bucks for something that a few cubes of ice can do is nuts.

Ankf00

01-12-06, 02:04 PM

Sure it is! This one will burn a cupring into your (wooden, not puter) desktop!

(peltier effect means other side warms up.)

they could throw on a heatsink & fan on the backside :laugh:

I wonder if burnt particle board has any soothing aromatic effects :gomer:

Ankf00

01-12-06, 02:08 PM

right and now for your computer. although anyone that pays 40 bucks for something that a few cubes of ice can do is nuts.

120V coolers for your "office" have been available as well, except those are actual thermos box style coolers. nothing new, unless you're out in some park with a lappy and need some fancy high tech cooling unit

Insomniac

01-12-06, 03:59 PM

The 103" display that I saw at the panasonic booth was supposed to go into production, I overheard someone mention it would be about 15k but who knows.

Key specifications:
Size (aspect ratio): 103 inches (16:9)
Number of Pixels: 2.07 million (1,920 horizontal x 1,080 vertical)
Pixel Pitch: 1.182 x 1.182 mm
Effective Viewing Area: Width: 2,269.4 mm Height: 1,276.6 mm Diagonal: 2,603.8 mm
Contrast Ratio: 3000:1

I would be very surprised if this actually happened. And if that was the price, yowza! Panasonic would destroy their competitors.

Stu

01-12-06, 05:19 PM

Sure it is! This one will burn a cupring into your (wooden, not puter) desktop!

(peltier effect means other side warms up.)

well it is elevated so as not to do that. :D

Stu

01-12-06, 05:20 PM

I would be very surprised if this actually happened. And if that was the price, yowza! Panasonic would destroy their competitors.

LOL, the guy probably mumbled 50 thousand and I heard 15 thousand. :rofl:

Stu

01-12-06, 05:23 PM

So while I was at CES, I won a Tiger Woods Golf Tournament (cuz I am sweet). As a prize I got one of these: www.electricspin.com

It is supposed to be coming in the mail. Its garbage, I wont use it. I got the PC version for no reason other than its 249 when the ps2 version is 200 so I can sell it for more. Seriously this is a huge waste of money.

So does anyone want to buy it from me?

cameraman

01-12-06, 06:32 PM

I figure SED will be replacing them in the next year or two. And LCD will probably replace the smaller CRT TVs in that time frame too.

Great, that way they can get more money from us. I have a 19" TV that I got in 1984 that still works just fine. I also have a 22" HD Samsung LCD that had a backlight tube fail after 1.5 years. They want $700+ to fix that :flame:

Show me a LCD that will still be working 20 years from now :shakehead

eiregosod

01-12-06, 06:43 PM

Great, that way they can get more money from us. I have a 19" TV that I got in 1984 that still works just fine. I also have a 22" HD Samsung LCD that had a backlight tube fail after 1.5 years. They want $700+ to fix that :flame:

Show me a LCD that will still be working 20 years from now :shakehead

spot on. :thumbup:

The people in the office where they run everything from dont want people remembering what things were like in the past (anything older than 6 months ago)

"Buy our worthless sh-- or you wont get laid" is the way any consumer gadget is sold.

CRTs work.

Wabbit

01-12-06, 07:04 PM

Great, that way they can get more money from us. I have a 19" TV that I got in 1984 that still works just fine. I also have a 22" HD Samsung LCD that had a backlight tube fail after 1.5 years. They want $700+ to fix that :flame:

Show me a LCD that will still be working 20 years from now :shakehead

I bought a new HDTV about a year ago. Took me awhile to find a widescreen tube that I liked. At least the CRT will last 10+ years and looks good at the beginning and end of life.

01-12-06, 07:06 PM

Sean O'Gorman

01-12-06, 11:25 PM

Stu

01-12-06, 11:27 PM

lucky for you they didnt include the grades from that podunk community college with your gpa.

oh and you can have as many greek letters on your diploma as you want as long as I have more dollars on my paycheck.

Sean O'Gorman

01-12-06, 11:30 PM

So what kind of benefits do you get at a temp job?

Stu

01-12-06, 11:32 PM

medical, dental, flexible schedule and more money than you

Ankf00

01-13-06, 12:19 AM

medical, dental, flexible schedule and more money than you

so you actually stuck with a job for more than 1 day this time? interesting... :gomer:

Stu

01-13-06, 08:21 AM

so you actually stuck with a job for more than 1 day this time? interesting... :gomer:

that job sucked, it wasnt worth the money, and SOG did the same thing so dont give me that crap.

Insomniac

01-13-06, 08:34 AM

Great, that way they can get more money from us. I have a 19" TV that I got in 1984 that still works just fine. I also have a 22" HD Samsung LCD that had a backlight tube fail after 1.5 years. They want $700+ to fix that :flame:

Show me a LCD that will still be working 20 years from now :shakehead

That seems atypical. Also CRT is what 60-70 years old? (Not an excuse for a failing LCD). I wonder how much improvement there is left in LCD. I know the difference between the display in my 5 year old and 1 year old laptop displays are pretty big.