Who thinks Goosens will smoke Tracy in the Busch race?

[Fio1]

Next weekend's Busch race in Mexico will mark the stock racing debut of road racing star, Marc Goosens. And, Paul Tracy will be making his stock car road racing debut. So, who thinks Goosens will kick Tracy's a$$? I DO! :laugh:

Mexico Busch Entry List:
4 Paul Tracy Las Vegas, NV GEICO Dodge Fred Biagi
90 Marc Goosens Belgium CitiFinancial Ford Robert Yates

[Easy]

Well, Goosens will be in a Yates car and will probably be more liked by competitors than Tracy since he's not a total richard.

[tllips]

Well, Goosens will be in a Yates car and will probably be more liked by competitors than Tracy since he's not a total richard.

Does it matter how much he is liked on a road course? You don't need to make friends to pull along in the draft. Unless they are going to try and run Tracy off the road, it shouldn't matter in this race.

[spinner26]

Tracy knows the course and if he gets the car set up right / to his liking, then he should do pretty good. Pit stops may be an issue and the start but otherwise, so long as he qualifies well he should be a contender.

[Sean O'Gorman]

Is the battle for 24th place really that interesting? :confused:

[Wheel-Nut]

Why do y'all think PT is going to have a bad race? History tells us open wheel road racers have done well in the tin tops on road courses.

[Sean O'Gorman]

List the NASCAR road course wins by the ringers in BGN or Nextel Cup. Now narrow it down to those who were primarily open wheelers. Pretty small list, huh?

[Easy]

Does it matter how much he is liked on a road course? You don't need to make friends to pull along in the draft. Unless they are going to try and run Tracy off the road, it shouldn't matter in this race.


It helps to not have your car used as a brake by the guy behind.

[extramundane]

List the NASCAR road course wins by the ringers in BGN or Nextel Cup. Now narrow it down to those who were primarily open wheelers. Pretty small list, huh?

Even smaller is the list of 'ringers' who were given anything other than middle-back of the pack cars and/or hastily slapped together one-off rides.

[Stu]

Even smaller is the list of 'ringers' who were given anything other than middle-back of the pack cars and/or hastily slapped together one-off rides.


and yet each race there is consistantly one or two of these ringers in junk cars finishing in the top 5.

[Sean O'Gorman]

Even smaller is the list of 'ringers' who were given anything other than middle-back of the pack cars and/or hastily slapped together one-off rides.

A Yates car isn't competitive? A DEI car isn't competitive?

[Stu]

A Yates car isn't competitive? A DEI car isn't competitive?


Not when its a one week team, with second class equipment, with temp workers as a pit crew.

[extramundane]

A Yates car isn't competitive? A DEI car isn't competitive?

Well, from what little I've paid attention to NASCAR of late, I'd say "no, it's not" to both of those. But that's beside the point. How often do road-course ringers get put into established rides with established crews (i.e. cars that run regularly, not just "Chip Ganassi adds a 4th car for Scott Pruett") fielded by front-line teams? Not very often. They either go into one-offs a la Pruett or into the crap cars.

Put Jeff Gordon in a 3rd HVM or Rocketsports car, serviced by a pick-up crew of CC & Atlantic mechanics, and see how well he does.

[Wheel-Nut]

List the NASCAR road course wins by the ringers in BGN or Nextel Cup. Now narrow it down to those who were primarily open wheelers. Pretty small list, huh?


Where did I say win? I said do well. And no, I don't have time to re-visit history.

[Dr. Corkski]

But Tracy will save a bunch of money on his car insurance when he wrecks. :gomer:

[Rocketdoc]

Does it matter how much he is liked on a road course? You don't need to make friends to pull along in the draft. Unless they are going to try and run Tracy off the road, it shouldn't matter in this race.


Tracy is "world class, probably Olympic class" at running humans off the road.

Fear not, anyone trying to take him on, turning right, is going to get a lesson.

[cameraman]

First practice

11 #90 Marc Goossens 100.201 90.466 -0.942
12 #1 Jason Keller 100.196 90.471 -0.947
13 #4 Paul Tracy 100.091 90.566 -1.042

[pferrf1]

List the NASCAR road course wins by the ringers in BGN or Nextel Cup. Now narrow it down to those who were primarily open wheelers. Pretty small list, huh?

NASCAR will NEVER allow a ringer to win a road course race. Before you ask how they can prevent it...they can.

Just ask Ron Fellows.......

[theunions]

NASCAR will NEVER allow a ringer to win a road course race. Before you ask how they can prevent it...they can.

Just ask Ron Fellows.......

Or Wally Jr.

[cameraman]

Happy hour

2 #90 Marc Goossens 102.700 88.265 -0.174
7 #33 Ron Fellows 102.062 88.817 -0.726
22 #38 Anthony Foyt* 101.040 89.715 -1.624
26 #4 Paul Tracy 100.853 89.881 -1.790

[jcollins28]

NASCAR will NEVER allow a ringer to win a road course race. Before you ask how they can prevent it...they can.

Just ask Ron Fellows.......


Uh guess you never heard of Mark Donohue or Dan Gurney?

[Fio1]

The whole point of this thread was to show how GOOD Marc Goosens is! :cool: The guy is like Jan Magnussen good! Yes, that f***ing good. It won't surprise me one bit if he wins the pole and the race. :thumbup:

[theunions]

Uh guess you never heard of Mark Donohue or Dan Gurney?

Both of them were no longer racing well before the start of the "modern" NASCAR era which practices this bias.

[pchall]

Is the battle for 24th place really that interesting? :confused:

It is to NASCAR fans for some reason. :shakehead

[pchall]

Uh guess you never heard of Mark Donohue or Dan Gurney?

That was a much different era in which the Real Bill France still lived and NASCAR mostly a regional series in need of good publicity outside of the Southeast. Now they a massive marketing machine and are only concerned that their drivers and racin' are perceived to be the best in the world. :flame:

[Dr. Corkski]

Happy hour

2 #90 Marc Goossens 102.700 88.265 -0.174
7 #33 Ron Fellows 102.062 88.817 -0.726
22 #38 Anthony Foyt* 101.040 89.715 -1.624
26 #4 Paul Tracy 100.853 89.881 -1.790Looks like Forsythe is gonna have to hand out some more pink slips. :laugh:

[Rocketdoc]

Uh guess you never heard of Mark Donohue or Dan Gurney?


Pre-Emporer Bill France Jr.

[theunions]

Why was Joy, the only one of the Fox booth bunch who actually follows European racing, never able to properly pronounce "Goosens" during the qualifying telecast, and everyone else (even DW) got it right? :saywhat:

[NismoZ]

So, which ringer got the pole?

[Fio1]

So, which ringer got the pole?

The one who's been a ringer for 10-years now....

[cameraman]

At the start:

1 9 Boris Said 102.665 88.295 Leader
4 157 Adrian Fernandez 102.486 88.449 -0.154
5 66 Jorge Goeters 102.431 88.497 -0.202
6 90 Marc Goossens 102.358 88.560 -0.265
12 33 Ron Fellows 101.606 89.215 -0.920
14 15 Michel Jourdain Jr. 101.380 89.414 -1.119
16 10 John Andretti* 101.310 89.476 -1.181
23 4 Paul Tracy 100.867 89.869 -1.574
31 38 Anthony Foyt* 100.478 90.216 -1.921

[Sean O'Gorman]

So how many road races has Denny Hamlin run in before?

[Dr. Corkski]

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[theunions]

I believe the two 2005 Busch RC races were Hamlin's only prior two RC starts.

As for PT, what happened? He was hardly on camera all day...something broke? I saw towards the end he was listed in 37th just ahead of the long-parked Jourdain and was 35th just before that.

[extramundane]

So how many road races has Denny Hamlin run in before?

You've obviously never driven on the roads around here. Dodging potholes alone beats a Barber 3-day course.

[Sean O'Gorman]

I believe the two 2005 Busch RC races were Hamlin's only prior two RC starts.

As for PT, what happened? He was hardly on camera all day...something broke? I saw towards the end he was listed in 37th just ahead of the long-parked Jourdain and was 35th just before that.

He got into the back of Fernandez when the field started slowing down due to the Busch/Jourdain incident, and messed up the front of his car pretty bad. On the restart his car was smoking bad and NASCAR black flagged him and that was the last I saw of him.

[Opposite Lock]

I believe the two 2005 Busch RC races were Hamlin's only prior two RC starts.

As for PT, what happened? He was hardly on camera all day...something broke? I saw towards the end he was listed in 37th just ahead of the long-parked Jourdain and was 35th just before that.

By the time I tuned in, PT was up to about 15th around lap 20, and made it as high as 8th around lap 40 IIRC, although that may have been partly as a result of pit cycling. Shortly after, there was an accident a few cars in front, and a lot of smoke, and it seemed that PT ran into the back of Fernandeth while they were running around 11th and 12th, judging from the respective damage to their cars. PT still managed a couple more laps with a car that was smoking more and more, forcing through more traffic in his own signature style, until his car was evidently done. Didn't see the final stop, and he was suddenly shown way in the back. At which point I took a nap.

d'oh - I typed too slowly for SOG.